LP - Is it me? - Page 2

RevSmoke · 12-31-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

I am a HUGE fan of the LP No. 9

!! Now the, the T52...not so much. As for the Undercrown, the only one that I've thoroughly and completely enjoyed was the Corona Viva...and this size WOWED me

, the other sizes were "ok" at best.

I, too, am a HUGE fan of a lot of Litto Gomez stuff, but I think the Air Bender is complete garbage. I have smoked 6-7 of them, different sizes (maduro included) and have been, to quote you, "completely and totally underwhelmed by them". I guess it all goes back to the old adage "Smoke what you like, like what you smoke!"

Interesting view on the Air Bender in comparison. Compared to the LGs, Coronados, and Small Batch, I've only had a couple - in fact just one of each size. I haven't bought any of them yet, only because financed haven't favored me doing so. Maybe I need to revisit them before a box purchase.

shilala · 12-31-2012, 02:49 PM

If anything, I'd say I've been underwhelmed by all this stuff.
I get real bored with a one-dimensional stick, and these are great at that. The flavor isn't something that grabbed me and made me forget how one-dimensional they were, but they were okay.
When I smoked them, I kept thinking "it doesn't taste like tobacco" for whatever reason. I can't hardly explain it, but they didn't strike me as something I've become used to. They didn't make me want more, either.
Add to that the premium price and it made the whole lineup undesirable to me.

I can easily see why guys would like the cigars, and I can see where the value is in them. They just didn't/don't trip my trigger despite wanting to like them.
I put some away to see how they do with a little time, but I don't expect much. I imagine they'll just mellow, and I feel that they're one of those cigars that's at it's best new.

RevSmoke · 12-31-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

If anything, I'd say I've been underwhelmed by all this stuff.
I get real bored with a one-dimensional stick, and these are great at that. The flavor isn't something that grabbed me and made me forget how one-dimensional they were, but they were okay.
When I smoked them, I kept thinking "it doesn't taste like tobacco" for whatever reason. I can't hardly explain it, but they didn't strike me as something I've become used to. They didn't make me want more, either.
Add to that the premium price and it made the whole lineup undesirable to me.

I can easily see why guys would like the cigars, and I can see where the value is in them. They just didn't/don't trip my trigger despite wanting to like them.
I put some away to see how they do with a little time, but I don't expect much. I imagine they'll just mellow, and I feel that they're one of those cigars that's at it's best new.

I have noticed a number of cigars that get wimpier with age. Some mellow and smooth out. Most lose the sharp edges (if I can say it that way) to their unique flavor profiles.

So Scott, I know you think that Oliva Vs age well, what do you think about the Litto Gomez stuff, especially the LGD and Coronado lines?

Peace of the Lord be with you.

RobR1205 · 12-31-2012, 02:51 PM

I sometimes find it hard to be objective when judging a cigar that is so hyped up, but I guess that's just human nature sometimes. I do like the Undercrown line a lot, but there have been some Viajes and Tats that I almost forced myself to keep smoking, hoping they would get better. But hey, that's just me!

688sonarmen · 12-31-2012, 02:55 PM

I'm not a fan of the LP stuff. I dropped the coin on a box of T-52 robustos a few years ago. At first they tasted like steak, just a great different cigar. Then after a few months they lost ALL flavor. I happily traded them for some aged CC's. I have tried several from the other LP lines and do not like them for the price. I think they are one trick ponies and would rather smoke something else for the coin. The Undercrowns are ok though but not box worthy IMHO, which is what it all comes down to (an opinion).I do think DE does an excellent job of tapping into the emotional side of marketing and that is where a large part of the sales come from (Again, my opinion).

DaBear · 12-31-2012, 03:13 PM

The first run of undercrowns were great, nice oily wrappers, great spice to em with a touch of earthiness. Then the second and subsequent runs came in and they all flat out sucked. The coronas are the only ones to maintain any sort of consistency from batch to batch and are a solid smoke, but I could never smoke another of the other sizes and be perfectly happy.

If you didnt like the 9s then steer clear of the papas fritas, theyre a 9 just not as sweet. It all comes down to the old saying, smoke what you like, like what you smoke. There are a number of talked a bout sticks I love, and for every one of those theres one talked about stick I cant stand

RevSmoke · 12-31-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBear

The first run of undercrowns were great, nice oily wrappers, great spice to em with a touch of earthiness. Then the second and subsequent runs came in and they all flat out sucked. The coronas are the only ones to maintain any sort of consistency from batch to batch and are a solid smoke, but I could never smoke another of the other sizes and be perfectly happy.

If you didnt like the 9s then steer clear of the papas fritas, theyre a 9 just not as sweet. It all comes down to the old saying, smoke what you like, like what you smoke. There are a number of talked a bout sticks I love, and for every one of those theres one talked about stick I cant stand

That's exactly what I say below. I started the thread to see if I was the only one out there. And, as much to start a conversation as anything else.

Scottw · 12-31-2012, 03:13 PM

Todd, the first 9 I smoked was amazing IMO, the half dozen I have smoked since where underwhelming. I liked my first Undercrown, disliked the rest. I loved the T52 pig but don't care for the robusto. Who knows. As Tom said and you know.....smoke what you like. I can think of better things than to be in love with a cigar that retails for 12 bucks. I'll stick with my 5 dollar boli pcs.

hammondc · 12-31-2012, 04:40 PM

I agree with you bro. Most of the trendy cigars just do not appeal to me. At lest not for their price points. I feel very strongly about that with regards to Liga/Tat. They are damn good smokes for half their MSRP.

T.G · 12-31-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

The reason I bring this up, and I am not trying to be a "hater," is because everybody's tastes are different. Having said that, it appears I am the only one who isn't on the band wagon with the LP/Undercrown lines.

They all have a great aesthetic appeal, for the are amazing looking sticks. I have even enjoyed the room note that the T52 line produces. I really want to like these cigars. But having said that, I found that I was not impressed with any that I have tried. To me they were strong and one-dimensional, leaving me quickly disinterested. They had some interesting flavors to begin, but I got bored with them fairly quickly.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Right around when the T-52 was first coming out or maybe even a bit before, Steve Saka and I were having a conversation about the 52, the then upcoming Dirty Rat and a few other projects that they were working on at DE and he made a comment that went something like "Invariably, if you make a cigar that everyone likes, you've made a cigar that no one will love."

The converse is also true, in making a cigar that appeals so strongly to some smoker's tastes that they "love" it, you've made a cigar that is not going to be to everyone's tastes.

So you don't like the Liga Privada line. No big deal, not everyone is going to love it. Maybe someday they will release something that you do like, or, maybe that day will never come. Who knows?

RevSmoke · 01-01-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G

I wouldn't worry about it.

Right around when the T-52 was first coming out or maybe even a bit before, Steve Saka and I were having a conversation about the 52, the then upcoming Dirty Rat and a few other projects that they were working on at DE and he made a comment that went something like "Invariably, if you make a cigar that everyone likes, you've made a cigar that no one will love."

The converse is also true, in making a cigar that appeals so strongly to some smoker's tastes that they "love" it, you've made a cigar that is not going to be to everyone's tastes.

So you don't like the Liga Privada line. No big deal, not everyone is going to love it. Maybe someday they will release something that you do like, or, maybe that day will never come. Who knows?

I am not exactly "worried" about it. Was simply curious if I was alone in my estimation of the LPs. And, as I said earlier, it was also something of a conversatin starter.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

Gabe215 · 01-01-2013, 07:46 PM

I totally agree with undercrown, have never liked them, find them barely smokeable, have actually been wanting to revisit the ¡Viva! Soon because I always hear praise for it so I will give it a second shot on a night that I am willing to take a chance. T52 were good but not worth the coin, and the L40 was a let down especially since I love the size.... but love 9s, Baitfish, FFP Dirty Rats, A's.

MajorCaptSilly · 01-01-2013, 08:00 PM

I tried the #9 when it came out. Didn't like it and never tried any of the others. May try them some day but am not in a rush.

MCS

dave · 01-02-2013, 07:18 AM

T52 - First one I tried was best cigar I'd ever had to that point. Ambient enviromment no doubt affected experience. But, all I've had since have been very enjoyable, if never quite approaching initial one.
LP9 - Never had a bad one. Never had one blow me away either. I won't pay retail for them.
Dirty Rat - Always enjoyed; worth retail to try - or on the rare occassion I come across one, but won't seek them out and won't buy any to have around.
Pigs - Meh.
FFP - Had first one yesterday. Great 9 dollar cigar. Unfortunately, I paid $23 for two in CA, and $18 for two here in VA. I won't buy another. Great combo of smooth/sweet/pepper....but not very complex, IMHO.
Undercrown - Like, not love. I like these OK at under $100/box. One of VERY few San Andres wrapped cigars I enjoy. Not one to sit and contemplate, however. Good knockaround cigar to enjoy while doing something else.

12-31-2012, 02:49 PM	#2
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: LP - Is it me? If anything, I'd say I've been underwhelmed by all this stuff. I get real bored with a one-dimensional stick, and these are great at that. The flavor isn't something that grabbed me and made me forget how one-dimensional they were, but they were okay. When I smoked them, I kept thinking "it doesn't taste like tobacco" for whatever reason. I can't hardly explain it, but they didn't strike me as something I've become used to. They didn't make me want more, either. Add to that the premium price and it made the whole lineup undesirable to me. I can easily see why guys would like the cigars, and I can see where the value is in them. They just didn't/don't trip my trigger despite wanting to like them. I put some away to see how they do with a little time, but I don't expect much. I imagine they'll just mellow, and I feel that they're one of those cigars that's at it's best new. __________________

12-31-2012, 02:51 PM	#4
RobR1205 Starting a new chapter Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Rob Location: Texas Posts: 1,158 Trading: (19)	Re: LP - Is it me? I sometimes find it hard to be objective when judging a cigar that is so hyped up, but I guess that's just human nature sometimes. I do like the Undercrown line a lot, but there have been some Viajes and Tats that I almost forced myself to keep smoking, hoping they would get better. But hey, that's just me!

12-31-2012, 02:55 PM	#5
688sonarmen Shipmate! Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Jake Location: Norwich, Ct Posts: 2,698 Trading: (17)	Re: LP - Is it me? I'm not a fan of the LP stuff. I dropped the coin on a box of T-52 robustos a few years ago. At first they tasted like steak, just a great different cigar. Then after a few months they lost ALL flavor. I happily traded them for some aged CC's. I have tried several from the other LP lines and do not like them for the price. I think they are one trick ponies and would rather smoke something else for the coin. The Undercrowns are ok though but not box worthy IMHO, which is what it all comes down to (an opinion).I do think DE does an excellent job of tapping into the emotional side of marketing and that is where a large part of the sales come from (Again, my opinion).

12-31-2012, 03:13 PM	#6
DaBear Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Bear Location: Raleigh, NC(NC State) Posts: 2,010 Trading: (26)	Re: LP - Is it me? The first run of undercrowns were great, nice oily wrappers, great spice to em with a touch of earthiness. Then the second and subsequent runs came in and they all flat out sucked. The coronas are the only ones to maintain any sort of consistency from batch to batch and are a solid smoke, but I could never smoke another of the other sizes and be perfectly happy. If you didnt like the 9s then steer clear of the papas fritas, theyre a 9 just not as sweet. It all comes down to the old saying, smoke what you like, like what you smoke. There are a number of talked a bout sticks I love, and for every one of those theres one talked about stick I cant stand

12-31-2012, 03:13 PM	#8
Scottw Going Commando Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Location: Sussex, NJ Posts: 2,815 Trading: (6)	Re: LP - Is it me? Todd, the first 9 I smoked was amazing IMO, the half dozen I have smoked since where underwhelming. I liked my first Undercrown, disliked the rest. I loved the T52 pig but don't care for the robusto. Who knows. As Tom said and you know.....smoke what you like. I can think of better things than to be in love with a cigar that retails for 12 bucks. I'll stick with my 5 dollar boli pcs. __________________ "Ray when someone asks you if your a GOD you say yes."

12-31-2012, 04:40 PM	#9
hammondc Moar Padrons! Join Date: Aug 2010 First Name: Chip Location: Senoia, GA Posts: 2,626 Trading: (17)	Re: LP - Is it me? I agree with you bro. Most of the trendy cigars just do not appeal to me. At lest not for their price points. I feel very strongly about that with regards to Liga/Tat. They are damn good smokes for half their MSRP.

01-01-2013, 07:46 PM	#12
Gabe215 Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2012 First Name: Gabe Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,121 Trading: (20)	Re: LP - Is it me? I totally agree with undercrown, have never liked them, find them barely smokeable, have actually been wanting to revisit the ¡Viva! Soon because I always hear praise for it so I will give it a second shot on a night that I am willing to take a chance. T52 were good but not worth the coin, and the L40 was a let down especially since I love the size.... but love 9s, Baitfish, FFP Dirty Rats, A's.

01-01-2013, 08:00 PM	#13
MajorCaptSilly Sklee Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,523 Trading: (30)	Re: LP - Is it me? I tried the #9 when it came out. Didn't like it and never tried any of the others. May try them some day but am not in a rush. MCS __________________ Pillsbury, Minneapolis, Prince, Spoon Bridge and Cherry, coinkydink?

01-02-2013, 07:18 AM	#14
dave Have My Own Room Join Date: May 2011 First Name: Dave Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,180 Trading: (15)	Re: LP - Is it me? T52 - First one I tried was best cigar I'd ever had to that point. Ambient enviromment no doubt affected experience. But, all I've had since have been very enjoyable, if never quite approaching initial one. LP9 - Never had a bad one. Never had one blow me away either. I won't pay retail for them. Dirty Rat - Always enjoyed; worth retail to try - or on the rare occassion I come across one, but won't seek them out and won't buy any to have around. Pigs - Meh. FFP - Had first one yesterday. Great 9 dollar cigar. Unfortunately, I paid $23 for two in CA, and $18 for two here in VA. I won't buy another. Great combo of smooth/sweet/pepper....but not very complex, IMHO. Undercrown - Like, not love. I like these OK at under $100/box. One of VERY few San Andres wrapped cigars I enjoy. Not one to sit and contemplate, however. Good knockaround cigar to enjoy while doing something else.