LOST Notes - Page 4

AD720 · 02-20-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Waynegro1

Very nice recap and food for thought, Mugen. I always enjoy/look forward to reading your posts after each episode. Keep up the good work.

Ditto, great work. I wish my memory was as good as yours.

I was so proud of myself when I recognized Lapidus's voice.

I watched a couple minutes of the "pop-up-video" version of last weeks show, did you see that Ms. Hawking met Desmond before (and refused to sell them a ring)?

These writers are really, reeally good with the details.

ucla695 · 02-20-2009, 06:45 AM

Another great recap Bao. I can't help wonder if Ben was present when Locke decided to kill himself. Did Ben plant the letter at the scene hoping that it would end up with Jack? Maybe that extra nudge to get him to go back to the island in case he didn't want to? They sure focused on it a couple times.

white_s2k · 02-20-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ucla695

Another great recap Bao. I can't help wonder if Ben was present when Locke decided to kill himself. Did Ben plant the letter at the scene hoping that it would end up with Jack? Maybe that extra nudge to get him to go back to the island in case he didn't want to? They sure focused on it a couple times.

Well in the preview for next week's episode we see Jack slipping the noose around his neck, and I'm 99% sure I saw Ben kneeling down in front of him. As if he was pleading for him not to do it and said something along the lines of "Jack you're more important than you know".

I'll try to find the clip online.

ucla695 · 02-20-2009, 06:58 AM

Totally missed that....the DVR stopped recording before the previews came on.

dunng · 02-20-2009, 07:06 AM

I agree it was Ben...

kugie · 02-20-2009, 09:16 AM

I think the greaset line of the Show this year is.
"we're not going to Guam Are We"

Mugen910 · 02-20-2009, 09:27 AM

Thanks for the kudos guys but honestly this is a friend of mine that does this stuff...she loves to go on "Lost" forums and compile this info to share. So I figured I'd share her knowledge and my enjoyment of the show with the B(S)OTLs.

Mugen910 · 02-20-2009, 12:37 PM

More things that make you go

1. How unsettling was Ben's call to Jack when he was bloody at the marina; we know Desmond, Penny and little Charlie arrived by boat. Shades of Hannibal Lector in "Silence of the Lambs," no? ... the pay phone, the old friend... not to mention Charlotte referred to "Hannibal" last week.

2. Kate's line "Just because we're on the same plane, doesn't make us together."

3. The Lamp Post Dharma station. It's another reference to the "Chronicles of Narnia," in which the lamp post is a landmark that shows the way between worlds and burns continuously without fuel. (It's been noted that when the character was introduced in Season 4, Charlotte Staples Lewis's initials match CS Lewis, the author or Narnia).

4. Ben was reading "Ulysses" on the plane, which features motifs of lightness and darkness, surrogate fathers and sons, heroes and saviors, and parallels with Homer's Odyssey, etc...
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An interesting theory that I read suggests that stories from literature which describe a magical place (El Dorado, Shangri-la, Eden, Atlantis, Fountain of Youth, etc) are all describing the island, as told by people who have actually visited the island.

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Something my friend read noted the similarities between LOST and Disney's Atlantis: the Lost Empire:

.The rich man that funds the expedition is named "Whitmore" (Widmore)
.The key to finding the city is in a journal (Faraday's Journal)
.This journal is called "The Shepard's Journal" (Jack Shepard and family)
.There is a monster that guards the entrance to the city (Smoke Monster)
.The entrance is through long tube-like caves (the holes to the frozen wheel, caves we saw in season 1)
.There is a volcano near the city (volcano on the island has been mentioned)
.The Atlantians have healing power (island has healing power)
.The Atlantians age very, very slowly (Richard Alpert)
.There is a great power/ life force under the city (the frozen wheel)
.There are giant statues that surround the city (four toed statue)
.Only Atlantians of royal blood can use the power to save the city

Have a good weekend everyone! Only 5 days left until "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

kaisersozei · 02-20-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

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Something my friend read noted the similarities between LOST and Disney's Atlantis: the Lost Empire:

.The rich man that funds the expedition is named "Whitmore" (Widmore)
.The key to finding the city is in a journal (Faraday's Journal)
.This journal is called "The Shepard's Journal" (Jack Shepard and family)
.There is a monster that guards the entrance to the city (Smoke Monster)
.The entrance is through long tube-like caves (the holes to the frozen wheel, caves we saw in season 1)
.There is a volcano near the city (volcano on the island has been mentioned)
.The Atlantians have healing power (island has healing power)
.The Atlantians age very, very slowly (Richard Alpert)
.There is a great power/ life force under the city (the frozen wheel)
.There are giant statues that surround the city (four toed statue)
.Only Atlantians of royal blood can use the power to save the city

At some point a few years ago I remember reading someone's theory about how the Lost island is really Atlantis. Those are interesting parallels with the Disney movie.

Cigargal · 02-20-2009, 05:05 PM

My favorite line was when Jack asked Mrs. Hawkings if Ben was lying and she said "Probably."

Mugen910 · 02-20-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cigargal

My favorite line was when Jack asked Mrs. Hawkings if Ben was lying and she said "Probably."

i must concur

dunng · 02-22-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kugie

I think the greaset line of the Show this year is.
"we're not going to Guam Are We"

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Originally Posted by Cigargal

My favorite line was when Jack asked Mrs. Hawkings if Ben was lying and she said "Probably."

It's a toss up!

Cigargal · 02-22-2009, 05:33 PM

What about that bloody business with Ben...He is all beaten up and nobody presses him for an explanation? So the original 6 are going back to the island, and Aaron doesn't count because he was born on the island?

MikeyC · 02-26-2009, 05:04 PM

That was a GREAT episode last night. I couldn't believe it when it turned out that Ben killed John and that he didn't commit suicide.

ActionAndy · 02-26-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyC

That was a GREAT episode last night. I couldn't believe it when it turned out that Ben killed John and that he didn't commit suicide.

I sure could, Ben's a snake.

I used to frequent a Lost forum (4815162342.com) but the number of people there insisting that "Ben's a good guy you can't force your morals onto other people" drove me absolutely insane. (Not that what you said got me angry

)

I hate Ben and can't wait for him to get his.

OLS · 03-18-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ActionAndy

I used to frequent a Lost forum (4815162342.com) but the number of people there ......

Hehe, I remember back in Season 1 when I thought I had better get into a lost forum so I could float
my theories and have them on paper (cyberly-speaking) so that in the end when I turned out to be
right it would have a date stamp onit, lol. I shudder to think what a Lost forum is like nowadays.
It was a giant mess back THEN. I am afraid I couldn't contain myself.

dunng · 02-27-2009, 06:59 AM

Please.... don't hold out on us junkies!

Mugen910 · 02-27-2009, 07:06 AM

I love seeing you guys/gals squirm.

ucla695 · 02-27-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

I love seeing you guys/gals squirm.

Typical pusher...now he's going to raise his prices.

Mugen910 · 02-27-2009, 12:29 PM

Lost 5 - Episode 7 "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

1. Nadia - the nurse at Locke's hospital in Tunisia sure looked a lot like Sayid's Nadia but it was hard to tell because Locke passed out as soon as the camera was on her... However, she would have been dead at that point in time. No one can seem to find a screenshot as it happened so quickly.

2. Locke's old girlfriend Helen. Recap: Helen was Locke's girlfriend who we learned about in flashback episodes. We learn how they met, see how their relationship develops and eventually ends (due to his obsession with his con man father). At one point in Locke's life he had a phone sex operator use the name Helen so he could pretend that he still communicated with the real Helen. Is she really dead or did Widmore stage that grave so Locke really would have no reason not to return to the island?

3. Frank Lapidus landed the Ajira plane on the smaller island... this would be why he and a woman (probably Sun) took one of the outrigger canoes... to get to the larger island to find the Left-behinders (Sawyer, Jin, etc). Either Frank pulled off a really smooth beach landing or he brought the plane down on the infamous runway that the Others were building with the help of captured Kate and Sawyer in Season 3.

4. When the Ajira 316 survivors found Locke he was standing in water... a blunt baptism inference. Notice that the two Locke's were shown to us again: Off-island Locke is gullible, a pawn in someone else's game, weak, insecure, etc. On-island Locke is focused, strong, and has mad knife skills.

5. Locke's hotel - the Westerfield Hotel... there are only some of the letters of the Westerfield Hotel lit before Locke's 'suicide' scene. They are: WESTRFIELOTL
I put them in an anagram generator and didn't come up with much. FREEWILLOSTT is about all I found that applies.

6. When Caesar was rifling through an office's papers he was in the Hydra Hatch (remember when Jack was in the aquarium there... the bear cages are there too). It is located on the smaller LOST island. So, how did the papers he saw get there three years after we saw them last (see attached Faraday journal screenshots that compare Caesar's papers to Faraday's journal)? That Caesar is a shady character. If he's working for Widmore, why didn't he know who Locke was? Who is he working for?

7. Back to Christian's shoes from last week - I thought that Locke needing something of Christian's was so silly, but maybe having something of Christian's would be a way for someone on the island to identify Locke once he got back.... or to convey some message to Christian.

8. Why didn't Ben just let Locke kill himself? Locke had lost his faith and that is what made him so special... Maybe if he had died by suicide he could not have made it back to the island? So once Ben restored Locke's faith he killed him since they both knew that John had to die in order to get back. OR... Was Ben surprised that Locke knew about Ms. Hawking and he was afraid that Locke would find out from her that Ben wasn't supposed to return to the island? He was breaking the rules by returning. Remember that he said if you move the island you can't come back... ever.

9. This is an excerpt from a blog that I enjoyed, regarding the relationship between Locke and Ben in the hotel. Read it if you are interested...
Ben's here to repair the damage caused by Jack, Sayid, Kate and Hurley. Ben's here to re-infuse Locke with the confidence and purpose he had when John turned the frozen wheel just few short days ago. He tells Locke that he's not a failure. He pleads with Locke not to kill himself. Jeremy Bentham dies here, and the old John Locke is back. He even thanks Ben. This is the guy who kidnapped people, the guy who told string after string of filthy lies. This is the man who gutshot Locke and left him in a pit full of rotting corpses. But hey, all is forgiven for the Island. Suddenly John believes again - his faith is restored. Ben knew that if Locke had died faithless, or by suicide, he might not have been resurrected. That's the single most important part of his visit to the hotel room.
You can bet your ass that everything he does is coldly calculated, and Ben already had that stuff when he showed up. He knew he'd have to kill Locke just as certainly as he knew he had to make it look like a suicide. Do you think Ben wiped his fingerprints from the extension cord and bleached the room to avoid being caught by the cops? No, he needed the newspapers to reflect that Jeremy Bentham had taken his own life. This got Jack to the funeral, but more importantly it served to let Charles Widmore think he'd succeeded in driving Locke to suicide. Sneaky ****? Yup. That's Benjamin Linus.

Remember Widmore's cryptic comment to Ben back in ''The Shape of Things To Come:'' ''Everything you have you took from me.''

02-20-2009, 06:45 AM	#2
ucla695 Neither here, nor there Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pool Posts: 3,696 Trading: (5)	Re: LOST Notes Another great recap Bao. I can't help wonder if Ben was present when Locke decided to kill himself. Did Ben plant the letter at the scene hoping that it would end up with Jack? Maybe that extra nudge to get him to go back to the island in case he didn't want to? They sure focused on it a couple times.

02-20-2009, 06:58 AM	#4
ucla695 Neither here, nor there Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pool Posts: 3,696 Trading: (5)	Re: LOST Notes Totally missed that....the DVR stopped recording before the previews came on.

02-20-2009, 07:06 AM	#5
dunng MassHole Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: MassHole Posts: 4,719 Trading: (59)	Re: LOST Notes I agree it was Ben... __________________ MassHole Banter

02-20-2009, 09:16 AM	#6
kugie Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joe Location: Billerica, Ma. Posts: 1,376 Trading: (3)	Re: LOST Notes I think the greaset line of the Show this year is. "we're not going to Guam Are We" __________________ "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!" Dr. P. Venkman

02-20-2009, 09:27 AM	#7
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes Thanks for the kudos guys but honestly this is a friend of mine that does this stuff...she loves to go on "Lost" forums and compile this info to share. So I figured I'd share her knowledge and my enjoyment of the show with the B(S)OTLs. __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

02-20-2009, 12:37 PM	#8
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes More things that make you go 1. How unsettling was Ben's call to Jack when he was bloody at the marina; we know Desmond, Penny and little Charlie arrived by boat. Shades of Hannibal Lector in "Silence of the Lambs," no? ... the pay phone, the old friend... not to mention Charlotte referred to "Hannibal" last week. 2. Kate's line "Just because we're on the same plane, doesn't make us together." 3. The Lamp Post Dharma station. It's another reference to the "Chronicles of Narnia," in which the lamp post is a landmark that shows the way between worlds and burns continuously without fuel. (It's been noted that when the character was introduced in Season 4, Charlotte Staples Lewis's initials match CS Lewis, the author or Narnia). 4. Ben was reading "Ulysses" on the plane, which features motifs of lightness and darkness, surrogate fathers and sons, heroes and saviors, and parallels with Homer's Odyssey, etc... * An interesting theory that I read suggests that stories from literature which describe a magical place (El Dorado, Shangri-la, Eden, Atlantis, Fountain of Youth, etc) are all describing the island, as told by people who have actually visited the island. * Something my friend read noted the similarities between LOST and Disney's Atlantis: the Lost Empire: .The rich man that funds the expedition is named "Whitmore" (Widmore) .The key to finding the city is in a journal (Faraday's Journal) .This journal is called "The Shepard's Journal" (Jack Shepard and family) .There is a monster that guards the entrance to the city (Smoke Monster) .The entrance is through long tube-like caves (the holes to the frozen wheel, caves we saw in season 1) .There is a volcano near the city (volcano on the island has been mentioned) .The Atlantians have healing power (island has healing power) .The Atlantians age very, very slowly (Richard Alpert) .There is a great power/ life force under the city (the frozen wheel) .There are giant statues that surround the city (four toed statue) .Only Atlantians of royal blood can use the power to save the city Have a good weekend everyone! Only 5 days left until "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

02-20-2009, 05:05 PM	#10
Cigargal Waiting for SoCal XI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,472 Trading: (25)	Re: LOST Notes My favorite line was when Jack asked Mrs. Hawkings if Ben was lying and she said "Probably."

02-22-2009, 05:33 PM	#13
Cigargal Waiting for SoCal XI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,472 Trading: (25)	Re: LOST Notes What about that bloody business with Ben...He is all beaten up and nobody presses him for an explanation? So the original 6 are going back to the island, and Aaron doesn't count because he was born on the island?

02-26-2009, 05:04 PM	#14
MikeyC member of the CA MINYAN Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 1,782 Trading: (11)	Re: LOST Notes That was a GREAT episode last night. I couldn't believe it when it turned out that Ben killed John and that he didn't commit suicide. __________________ I think Pandora's box was actually a humidor!

02-27-2009, 06:59 AM	#17
dunng MassHole Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: MassHole Posts: 4,719 Trading: (59)	Re: LOST Notes Please.... don't hold out on us junkies! __________________ MassHole Banter

02-27-2009, 07:06 AM	#18
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes I love seeing you guys/gals squirm. __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

02-27-2009, 12:29 PM	#20
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes Lost 5 - Episode 7 "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" 1. Nadia - the nurse at Locke's hospital in Tunisia sure looked a lot like Sayid's Nadia but it was hard to tell because Locke passed out as soon as the camera was on her... However, she would have been dead at that point in time. No one can seem to find a screenshot as it happened so quickly. 2. Locke's old girlfriend Helen. Recap: Helen was Locke's girlfriend who we learned about in flashback episodes. We learn how they met, see how their relationship develops and eventually ends (due to his obsession with his con man father). At one point in Locke's life he had a phone sex operator use the name Helen so he could pretend that he still communicated with the real Helen. Is she really dead or did Widmore stage that grave so Locke really would have no reason not to return to the island? 3. Frank Lapidus landed the Ajira plane on the smaller island... this would be why he and a woman (probably Sun) took one of the outrigger canoes... to get to the larger island to find the Left-behinders (Sawyer, Jin, etc). Either Frank pulled off a really smooth beach landing or he brought the plane down on the infamous runway that the Others were building with the help of captured Kate and Sawyer in Season 3. 4. When the Ajira 316 survivors found Locke he was standing in water... a blunt baptism inference. Notice that the two Locke's were shown to us again: Off-island Locke is gullible, a pawn in someone else's game, weak, insecure, etc. On-island Locke is focused, strong, and has mad knife skills. 5. Locke's hotel - the Westerfield Hotel... there are only some of the letters of the Westerfield Hotel lit before Locke's 'suicide' scene. They are: WESTRFIELOTL I put them in an anagram generator and didn't come up with much. FREEWILLOSTT is about all I found that applies. 6. When Caesar was rifling through an office's papers he was in the Hydra Hatch (remember when Jack was in the aquarium there... the bear cages are there too). It is located on the smaller LOST island. So, how did the papers he saw get there three years after we saw them last (see attached Faraday journal screenshots that compare Caesar's papers to Faraday's journal)? That Caesar is a shady character. If he's working for Widmore, why didn't he know who Locke was? Who is he working for? 7. Back to Christian's shoes from last week - I thought that Locke needing something of Christian's was so silly, but maybe having something of Christian's would be a way for someone on the island to identify Locke once he got back.... or to convey some message to Christian. 8. Why didn't Ben just let Locke kill himself? Locke had lost his faith and that is what made him so special... Maybe if he had died by suicide he could not have made it back to the island? So once Ben restored Locke's faith he killed him since they both knew that John had to die in order to get back. OR... Was Ben surprised that Locke knew about Ms. Hawking and he was afraid that Locke would find out from her that Ben wasn't supposed to return to the island? He was breaking the rules by returning. Remember that he said if you move the island you can't come back... ever. 9. This is an excerpt from a blog that I enjoyed, regarding the relationship between Locke and Ben in the hotel. Read it if you are interested... Ben's here to repair the damage caused by Jack, Sayid, Kate and Hurley. Ben's here to re-infuse Locke with the confidence and purpose he had when John turned the frozen wheel just few short days ago. He tells Locke that he's not a failure. He pleads with Locke not to kill himself. Jeremy Bentham dies here, and the old John Locke is back. He even thanks Ben. This is the guy who kidnapped people, the guy who told string after string of filthy lies. This is the man who gutshot Locke and left him in a pit full of rotting corpses. But hey, all is forgiven for the Island. Suddenly John believes again - his faith is restored. Ben knew that if Locke had died faithless, or by suicide, he might not have been resurrected. That's the single most important part of his visit to the hotel room. You can bet your ass that everything he does is coldly calculated, and Ben already had that stuff when he showed up. He knew he'd have to kill Locke just as certainly as he knew he had to make it look like a suicide. Do you think Ben wiped his fingerprints from the extension cord and bleached the room to avoid being caught by the cops? No, he needed the newspapers to reflect that Jeremy Bentham had taken his own life. This got Jack to the funeral, but more importantly it served to let Charles Widmore think he'd succeeded in driving Locke to suicide. Sneaky ****? Yup. That's Benjamin Linus. Remember Widmore's cryptic comment to Ben back in ''The Shape of Things To Come:'' ''Everything you have you took from me.'' __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.