LOST Notes - Page 14

ucla695 · 02-05-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldie

I hate this show, but I love it at the same time. Drives me crazy every time I watch it.

I just hope that all the questions are finally answered about the island, and pretty much the entire show in general. None of this, Sopranos ending sh*t.

Read this.

Mugen910 · 02-04-2010, 09:52 AM

Final season Episode 1

As always MY FRIEND collects info from interviews, blogs, message boards and conversations with other LOSTiacs.

1. I think I need to manage my expectations for this season. I thought that we would get all unanswered questions answered last night and then sail through the rest of the season on character development. Leave it to LOST to create a thousand more questions!

2. Items to ponder from the producers:

"...These little clues [might help you] extrapolate when the Island may have sunk. Start to think about it. A couple of episodes down the road, some of the characters might even discuss it. We will say this: season 6 is not about time travel. It's about the implications, the aftermath, and the causality of trying to change the past. But the idea of continuing to do paradoxical storytelling is not what we're interested in this year."

Flash-sideways... "When our characters posited the "What if?" scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we're embracing those things." Lindelof (producer) then explains the show has replaced the trademark "whoosh!" sound effect marking the segue between Island present story and flashbacks or flash-forwards, thus calling conspicuous attention to the relationship between the Island world and the Sideways world.
3. The Oceanic 815 flight:

* Desmond is on the plane! The book he was reading is Haroun and the Sea of Stories by Salman Rushdie. It's a story, set in a city so old and ruinous that it has forgotten its name, about a father who loses his ability to tell stories after his son questions what the point of fictional stories is. Then, the son embarks on a fantastic adventure concerning someone who wants to destroy the ocean using machines powered by electromagnetic induction. The boy returns home to tell his father of his amazing adventure and restores his father's faith in stories.

Desmond, season 2, "SEE YOU IN ANOTHER LIFE BROTHER"... yes you will!

* Jack ... on the original flight 815 Cindy had given him 2 bottles of liquor. Maybe she knows Jack won't be needing the other one to disinfect his side wound this time around...
* This time Rose was calm and Jack was nervous... opposite of last time.
* Hurley... no longer cursed.
* Sawyer... still a con man? Too soon to tell.
* Charlie... Examine Charlie's many deaths a little more closely, and they all have one thing in common: not breathing. Desmond saw him drown (once in a dream, once in reality), Ethan hangs him to asphyxiation, and we see a vision in which he gets shot in the throat with an arrow. Now, in this episode, Charlie's choking on a big bag of heroin. Whatever happened to kill Charlie must apparently happen again and again, in the same basic way, no matter where, when or what universe he happens to be in.
* Kate... Kate stole Jack's pen! Jack didn't have a pen in the "Pilot, Part 1" episode. Remember? Boone was trying to do CPR on Rose, Jack comes over to help her and sends Boone off to get a pen. He comes back with a bunch of different pens.
* Some original 815ers were not on the plane this time (Shannon, Michael, Walt). Frogurt (still an a-hole), Artz...
* From the producers... The temptation will be to dismiss the sideways story as ''What if...?'', but we should trust that we're being shown this story for a reason, and so we should take the leap of investing in its reality.
* Jack's nicked neck was similar to the moment when Jack excused himself to the jungle in the pilot episode to patch up the ugly gash on his side. One wonders if the entire season 6 sideways story line will model the general thematic thrust of the castaway story, but with different incidents and events - a gritty, more down-to-earth version of the mythic, larger-than-life Island epic, like how Dorothy's adventure in Oz was a fantastical extrapolation of her life in Kansas.

4. The Island:

* Everyone on the island is now in 2007. The plane we saw in tonight's episode is travelling in 2004. We know that it is 2007 for everyone on the island because when the guy at the temple shoots the flare Richard sees it (and he is still in the same place we saw him at the end of Season 5....on the beach with everyone else...again...in 2007).
* Juliet "it worked"... what does she know at death that we do not? She said "let's get coffee"... was her conscious travelling to the alternate reality where she and Sawyer meet in the outside world? Wherever Juliet now "is", she's totally aware of the reset.
* The group at the hatch said that they were back at the hatch after Desmond blew it up. If you recall back from season 2, when they destroyed the Swan hatch equipment, time ran out, and everything metallic in the hatch was pulled to that spot, then Desmond inserted the fail safe key, and blew it up to stop it. It's as though Jughead never exploded when Juliette hit it with a rock....
* Theory: Are we going to see the 2004 real world people back on a plane again sometime soon? Jack will need to go back to Australia to find his father's coffin, Locke will have to go back and find his knives, Kate may have to go back for some reason, Claire gave up her baby in LA and will be on her way back to Australia, Charlie will be deported back to Australia, Hurley will have to go check on his Chicken Shack business etc...etc...etc... Maybe that is how they will catch up to where they are now on the island??? I don't know.

Mugen910 · 02-04-2010, 09:53 AM

5. The Temple:

* Hurley picked up a book in the Temple tunnel by Søren Kierkegaard titled Fear and Trembling. This book challenges true believers to embrace the absurdity of faith. The book takes its title from a Bible quote, "Try to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Kierkegaard wrote the book under a pseudonym: Johannes de silentio - John The Silent.

* The guitar case... it's an ankh. We've seen it before... the statue holds one and Horace's wife had one which belonged to Paul. The symbol means eternal life. Jacob's lists have always been critical to LOST's story. Some theorize that the people listed by Jacob are the ones integral to the end game - without every single one of them, Jacob's final ending cannot be realized.
* We were told that the Dharma Initiative built the sonic fence to keep Smokey out, so we assumed he was on the side of the Hostiles/ Others. That does not seem to be the case, now. Why did Smokey become their enemy? What happened?
* Sayid coming back to life... we've always been told on this show that DEAD IS DEAD. So... ???

6. The Statue:

* Bram was impaled. The guy with the Dracula writer's name got a vampire death.
* Maybe now that Jacob is dead Richard will start aging? Flocke (fake Locke) says to Richard "Nice to you see you out of chains"... was Richard a slave on the Black Rock or was Flocke referring to Jacob's authority over Richard? Probably both.
* Ashes... from the episode "The Man Behind the Curtain" were the ashes around Jacob's cabin to protect Jacob who was allegedly inside or keep Flocke/ Smokey inside as a prisoner? Perhaps when the man inside the cabin said "Help Me" to Real Locke, he was manipulating Locke to help him escape. The first of the man times he uses Locke.

7. Remember when:

* When dripping wet, backwards talking Walt appeared in the jungle... does that now seem to suggest that he was coming from an alternative time line... The Sunken Island time line... to give the warning?
* So, season 2, after Walt is taken and Sawyer is shot, Sawyer's in the hatch with a fever. He says in his sleep "I loved her." Later, he grabs Kate and says "Why'd you kill me?" Perhaps he is speaking from a different time line that coincided with that one? Maybe when he said "I loved her" he was speaking of Juliet, and when he asked "why'd you kill me?" he was thinking of how Kate kills him... in the alternate reality we are now seeing in 2004???
* Richard told Sun that he saw the 1977 Losties all die? Will that ever be further explained or did he just see one of the realities in this whole mess?

8. A theory:

* From Doc Jensen, I believe. I thought this was interesting "The Island: the original and purest expression of the God idea, of God power. These ruins? The remains of those zealots who've attempted to claim, name, and tame this place over the centuries - those people the Man In Black spoke of last year: ''They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.''"

white_s2k · 02-04-2010, 02:28 PM

The writers have a ton of questions to answer, hopefully they start doing that soon and don't try to cram it into the last couple of episodes.

So I wonder what the letter in the guitar case really said. Did it say to kill Sayid so Jacob could take over his body to get revenge? If so, how did Jacob know he would die when he gave the guitar case to Hurley?

I love this show!!

TheBeard · 02-04-2010, 03:51 PM

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So I wonder what the letter in the guitar case really said. Did it say to kill Sayid so Jacob could take over his body to get revenge?

No way. The Others in the temple were legitimately surprised when Hurley told them that Jacob was dead. If the letter said anything about Jacob's death or return, they would have had that reaction (the scramble to get the defenses up) immediately.

It stands to reason that they did not intend to kill Sayid. They warned Jack that there would be risks in doing this, since the spring water was no longer clear (and, apparently, did not immediately heal the cut on the Japanese man's hand). They did what they were supposed to do and it did not work immediately. I'd like to believe that the spring water had enough power to heal Sayid but not enough to do it quickly; and so, the water kept Sayid's brain alive while it healed the rest of his body. His outward signs of life were gone, but he wasn't quite dead yet. Then again, what was the Japanese man sensing when he put his hand over Sayid's face and passed it down over his chest? And, did Miles sense that Sayid was or was not dead?

I'm looking forward to an awesome season

dannysguitar · 02-05-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBeard

No way. The Others in the temple were legitimately surprised when Hurley told them that Jacob was dead. If the letter said anything about Jacob's death or return, they would have had that reaction (the scramble to get the defenses up) immediately.

It stands to reason that they did not intend to kill Sayid. They warned Jack that there would be risks in doing this, since the spring water was no longer clear (and, apparently, did not immediately heal the cut on the Japanese man's hand). They did what they were supposed to do and it did not work immediately. I'd like to believe that the spring water had enough power to heal Sayid but not enough to do it quickly; and so, the water kept Sayid's brain alive while it healed the rest of his body. His outward signs of life were gone, but he wasn't quite dead yet. Then again, what was the Japanese man sensing when he put his hand over Sayid's face and passed it down over his chest? And, did Miles sense that Sayid was or was not dead?

I'm looking forward to an awesome season

Good points. I re-watched the episode and realized that Miles did sense something. I think he knew that Sayid was still alive...

weak_link · 02-04-2010, 05:21 PM

^ is Sayid going to go 'Pet Cemetary' on 'em?

I love this show, totally addicted and have no idea how I missed this thread last year!

Mugen910 · 02-05-2010, 01:28 PM

I have a feeling the letter in the guitar box was a list of people, like a manifest, that would help solidify Jacob's intent and Jack, Sayid, Kate, Hugo's purpose there to the Other Others

02-05-2010, 05:13 PM

Thanks again, Bao!! This is the only show that has me thinking hours later. Looking forward to a great final season.

TheBeard · 02-09-2010, 10:26 AM

I woke up this morning with a thought:

Before Richard took young Ben Linus to the Temple to heal him, he warned that healing him would remove his memory (at least some of it) and he would be forever "one of them." I've been curious as to what this "one of them" is all about, but I just happened to think: How much has Sayid's memory been affected? I look forward to seeing in tonight's episode (which I will get to watch tomorrow) what the heck is going on with Sayid.

Perhaps this is what Ben has meant all along when he said that he was "born on the island."

TheBeard · 02-09-2010, 10:43 AM

I also had a thought strike me last night:

From what we've been shown of the Temple previously (that is to say, the area underneath the outer walls that surround the Temple), we've been lead to believe that the Temple is either where the smoke monster lives or is under the protection of the smoke monster, or something along those lines. Yet when the Others inside the Temple found out about Jacob's death, they immediately went into "lockdown mode" and made a point to draw a barrier of ash about their Temple's inner walls.

We saw the same ring of ash encircling Jacob's cabin, and every time we saw this ash we were also shown a gap in the ash. Ilana and her crew pointed out that this meant that Jacob had not been in that cabin for some time (which, now makes me wonder if it's been the smoke monster who's been leading everyone on the island along, especially Locke, with visions of dead people). The reason for this ash was shown to us when the smoke monster attacked Brahm and the others: Apparently, Smokey can't cross that barrier.

Now, my question: If Smokey had been so near the Temple for so long, why wasn't there an ashen barrier in place to begin with? What was keeping him out of the Temple? What power does (did) Jacob have to keep Smokey at bay? If Jacob's cabin needed to be protected by ash, was his room "in the shadow of the statue" any different?

MikeyC · 02-09-2010, 09:18 PM

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Now, my question: If Smokey had been so near the Temple for so long, why wasn't there an ashen barrier in place to begin with? What was keeping him out of the Temple? What power does (did) Jacob have to keep Smokey at bay? If Jacob's cabin needed to be protected by ash, was his room "in the shadow of the statue" any different?

I think it's quite clear after last week's episode that John Locke (or at least current living Locke) is also the smoke monster. Smokey/Locke is also the same guy that's sitting on the beach with Jacob in last season's finale watching Black Rock find the island.

Apparently, there are "rules" involved in the interaction between Jacob and Smokey/Locke/man in black. At least that's what they say in one recent episode. One of these rules is that Smokey/Locke/MIB cannot kill Jacob which is why he had to get Ben to kill him. So, I guess Jacob never really needed any protection from Smokey.

Skywalker · 02-10-2010, 12:15 AM

I'm all caught up now!!!

TheBeard · 02-10-2010, 08:16 PM

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I think it's quite clear after last week's episode that John Locke (or at least current living Locke) is also the smoke monster. Smokey/Locke is also the same guy that's sitting on the beach with Jacob in last season's finale watching Black Rock find the island.

That was never in question.

But my references and questions stem from the time in the show when we only knew him as the smoke monster.

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Originally Posted by MikeyC

Apparently, there are "rules" involved in the interaction between Jacob and Smokey/Locke/man in black. At least that's what they say in one recent episode. One of these rules is that Smokey/Locke/MIB cannot kill Jacob which is why he had to get Ben to kill him. So, I guess Jacob never really needed any protection from Smokey.

This is true; there are some interesting rules governing the interaction of Jacob and Smokey. Although Jacob (apparently) cannot be killed by Smokey, Jacob's cabin still needed to be protected by a ring of ash. We also know that Jacob's cabin (apparently) isn't always visible and isn't always in the same place, so perhaps that was an added security measure. Even so, what was protecting Jacob's shelter under Taweret, and what was protecting the Temple when they did not ring the inner walls with ash? This was not explained, so I think it's something more than simple "rules" about "killing Jacob." Remember that Smokey (as Locke) had to be taken to Jacob by Richard; he did not know where Jacob was and could not find Jacob on his own.

MikeyC · 02-11-2010, 06:40 AM

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Remember that Smokey (as Locke) had to be taken to Jacob by Richard; he did not know where Jacob was and could not find Jacob on his own.

I don't think finding Jacob was a problem for smokey. I think he was just trying to maintain the illusion that he was Locke by pretending not to know where Jacob was. He had to keep everyone convinced he was Locke so that no one would warn Jacob and so that Ben could be convinced to kill Jacob.

TheBeard · 02-11-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyC

I don't think finding Jacob was a problem for smokey. I think he was just trying to maintain the illusion that he was Locke by pretending not to know where Jacob was. He had to keep everyone convinced he was Locke so that no one would warn Jacob and so that Ben could be convinced to kill Jacob.

Hmm, I might have to go back and re-watch the last few episodes of last season. The more I think about it now, the more I'm remembering little glimpses that seemed to say that Ben knew exactly where they were going without Richard telling him. If this is true, then there's a lot more here going on than meets the eye. Then again, when is this not true?

woops · 02-10-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBeard

We saw the same ring of ash encircling Jacob's cabin, and every time we saw this ash we were also shown a gap in the ash. Ilana and her crew pointed out that this meant that Jacob had not been in that cabin for some time (which, now makes me wonder if it's been the smoke monster who's been leading everyone on the island along, especially Locke, with visions of dead people). The reason for this ash was shown to us when the smoke monster attacked Brahm and the others: Apparently, Smokey can't cross that barrier.
Now, my question: If Smokey had been so near the Temple for so long, why wasn't there an ashen barrier in place to begin with? What was keeping him out of the Temple? What power does (did) Jacob have to keep Smokey at bay? If Jacob's cabin needed to be protected by ash, was his room "in the shadow of the statue" any different?

I've thought for some time that "Smokey" may have been trapped inside of Jacob's cabin, BY THE ASH. Perhaps he was confined to the cabin. ???

TheBeard · 02-10-2010, 08:19 PM

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I've thought for some time that "Smokey" may have been trapped inside of Jacob's cabin, BY THE ASH. Perhaps he was confined to the cabin. ???

I actually thought, for some time, that Jacob was malevolent and was trapped in the cabin by the ash. It seems that things are the other way around. Then again, we're being told that Smokey is evil by the followers of Jacob. "No man is evil in his own mind"-type of scenario.

And now that I think about it, we've heard Ben (and maybe others?) refer to Smokey as a defense system designed to protect the Temple. I wonder what that's about...

JE3146 · 02-10-2010, 12:18 AM

Sucks with this whole living apart from my wife thing while she's working up North. She leaves on Tuesday nights so I have to wait until the weekend to watch Lost with her

TheBeard · 02-10-2010, 08:50 PM

So, Claire is alive and on the island. This makes a lot of sense, since she seemed to just vanish into thin air. I'm looking forward to an explanation.

What Dogen said about Claire and Sayid in this episode does give a bit more credence to a theory that started forming during last season's finale: When Ilana went to Jacob's cabin and noticed the break in the ashen barrier, she said that Jacob had not been there for quite some time. We saw the same break when Ben took Locke to the cabin in season 3 (The Man Behind The Curtain). If Jacob wasn't in there, who was? Smokey (the smoke monster, the man in black). I think that every dead/missing person that's appeared to our heroes (Christian Shephard multiple times, Claire with Christian saying that she was safe or "home" or something, Walt when Locke had been shot and was in that mass grave, ...) has been Smokey. When Ben went under the Temple walls and fell through the floor and met up with Smokey, we saw that Smokey does have the ability to produce the image of dead persons (Ben's "daughter" told him to follow "Locke").

There are two problems with this theory. 1) Where is Christian Shephard's body? His casket was discovered on the island, but his body was missing. I'd rather there not be a mundane explanation for this. Also, in the "flash sideways" in the season premiere, Oceanic said that his coffin was not on the plane. 2) This theory does not explain Christian's appearance to Jack after Jack left the island.

02-04-2010, 09:52 AM	#2
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes Final season Episode 1 As always MY FRIEND collects info from interviews, blogs, message boards and conversations with other LOSTiacs. 1. I think I need to manage my expectations for this season. I thought that we would get all unanswered questions answered last night and then sail through the rest of the season on character development. Leave it to LOST to create a thousand more questions! 2. Items to ponder from the producers: "...These little clues [might help you] extrapolate when the Island may have sunk. Start to think about it. A couple of episodes down the road, some of the characters might even discuss it. We will say this: season 6 is not about time travel. It's about the implications, the aftermath, and the causality of trying to change the past. But the idea of continuing to do paradoxical storytelling is not what we're interested in this year." Flash-sideways... "When our characters posited the "What if?" scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we're embracing those things." Lindelof (producer) then explains the show has replaced the trademark "whoosh!" sound effect marking the segue between Island present story and flashbacks or flash-forwards, thus calling conspicuous attention to the relationship between the Island world and the Sideways world. 3. The Oceanic 815 flight: * Desmond is on the plane! The book he was reading is Haroun and the Sea of Stories by Salman Rushdie. It's a story, set in a city so old and ruinous that it has forgotten its name, about a father who loses his ability to tell stories after his son questions what the point of fictional stories is. Then, the son embarks on a fantastic adventure concerning someone who wants to destroy the ocean using machines powered by electromagnetic induction. The boy returns home to tell his father of his amazing adventure and restores his father's faith in stories. Desmond, season 2, "SEE YOU IN ANOTHER LIFE BROTHER"... yes you will! * Jack ... on the original flight 815 Cindy had given him 2 bottles of liquor. Maybe she knows Jack won't be needing the other one to disinfect his side wound this time around... * This time Rose was calm and Jack was nervous... opposite of last time. * Hurley... no longer cursed. * Sawyer... still a con man? Too soon to tell. * Charlie... Examine Charlie's many deaths a little more closely, and they all have one thing in common: not breathing. Desmond saw him drown (once in a dream, once in reality), Ethan hangs him to asphyxiation, and we see a vision in which he gets shot in the throat with an arrow. Now, in this episode, Charlie's choking on a big bag of heroin. Whatever happened to kill Charlie must apparently happen again and again, in the same basic way, no matter where, when or what universe he happens to be in. * Kate... Kate stole Jack's pen! Jack didn't have a pen in the "Pilot, Part 1" episode. Remember? Boone was trying to do CPR on Rose, Jack comes over to help her and sends Boone off to get a pen. He comes back with a bunch of different pens. * Some original 815ers were not on the plane this time (Shannon, Michael, Walt). Frogurt (still an a-hole), Artz... * From the producers... The temptation will be to dismiss the sideways story as ''What if...?'', but we should trust that we're being shown this story for a reason, and so we should take the leap of investing in its reality. * Jack's nicked neck was similar to the moment when Jack excused himself to the jungle in the pilot episode to patch up the ugly gash on his side. One wonders if the entire season 6 sideways story line will model the general thematic thrust of the castaway story, but with different incidents and events - a gritty, more down-to-earth version of the mythic, larger-than-life Island epic, like how Dorothy's adventure in Oz was a fantastical extrapolation of her life in Kansas. 4. The Island: * Everyone on the island is now in 2007. The plane we saw in tonight's episode is travelling in 2004. We know that it is 2007 for everyone on the island because when the guy at the temple shoots the flare Richard sees it (and he is still in the same place we saw him at the end of Season 5....on the beach with everyone else...again...in 2007). * Juliet "it worked"... what does she know at death that we do not? She said "let's get coffee"... was her conscious travelling to the alternate reality where she and Sawyer meet in the outside world? Wherever Juliet now "is", she's totally aware of the reset. * The group at the hatch said that they were back at the hatch after Desmond blew it up. If you recall back from season 2, when they destroyed the Swan hatch equipment, time ran out, and everything metallic in the hatch was pulled to that spot, then Desmond inserted the fail safe key, and blew it up to stop it. It's as though Jughead never exploded when Juliette hit it with a rock.... * Theory: Are we going to see the 2004 real world people back on a plane again sometime soon? Jack will need to go back to Australia to find his father's coffin, Locke will have to go back and find his knives, Kate may have to go back for some reason, Claire gave up her baby in LA and will be on her way back to Australia, Charlie will be deported back to Australia, Hurley will have to go check on his Chicken Shack business etc...etc...etc... Maybe that is how they will catch up to where they are now on the island??? I don't know. __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

02-04-2010, 09:53 AM	#3
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes 5. The Temple: * Hurley picked up a book in the Temple tunnel by Søren Kierkegaard titled Fear and Trembling. This book challenges true believers to embrace the absurdity of faith. The book takes its title from a Bible quote, "Try to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Kierkegaard wrote the book under a pseudonym: Johannes de silentio - John The Silent. * The guitar case... it's an ankh. We've seen it before... the statue holds one and Horace's wife had one which belonged to Paul. The symbol means eternal life. Jacob's lists have always been critical to LOST's story. Some theorize that the people listed by Jacob are the ones integral to the end game - without every single one of them, Jacob's final ending cannot be realized. * We were told that the Dharma Initiative built the sonic fence to keep Smokey out, so we assumed he was on the side of the Hostiles/ Others. That does not seem to be the case, now. Why did Smokey become their enemy? What happened? * Sayid coming back to life... we've always been told on this show that DEAD IS DEAD. So... ??? 6. The Statue: * Bram was impaled. The guy with the Dracula writer's name got a vampire death. * Maybe now that Jacob is dead Richard will start aging? Flocke (fake Locke) says to Richard "Nice to you see you out of chains"... was Richard a slave on the Black Rock or was Flocke referring to Jacob's authority over Richard? Probably both. * Ashes... from the episode "The Man Behind the Curtain" were the ashes around Jacob's cabin to protect Jacob who was allegedly inside or keep Flocke/ Smokey inside as a prisoner? Perhaps when the man inside the cabin said "Help Me" to Real Locke, he was manipulating Locke to help him escape. The first of the man times he uses Locke. 7. Remember when: * When dripping wet, backwards talking Walt appeared in the jungle... does that now seem to suggest that he was coming from an alternative time line... The Sunken Island time line... to give the warning? * So, season 2, after Walt is taken and Sawyer is shot, Sawyer's in the hatch with a fever. He says in his sleep "I loved her." Later, he grabs Kate and says "Why'd you kill me?" Perhaps he is speaking from a different time line that coincided with that one? Maybe when he said "I loved her" he was speaking of Juliet, and when he asked "why'd you kill me?" he was thinking of how Kate kills him... in the alternate reality we are now seeing in 2004??? * Richard told Sun that he saw the 1977 Losties all die? Will that ever be further explained or did he just see one of the realities in this whole mess? 8. A theory: * From Doc Jensen, I believe. I thought this was interesting "The Island: the original and purest expression of the God idea, of God power. These ruins? The remains of those zealots who've attempted to claim, name, and tame this place over the centuries - those people the Man In Black spoke of last year: ''They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.''" __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

02-04-2010, 02:28 PM	#4
white_s2k The Dude Abides Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Josh Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,052 Trading: (20)	Re: LOST Notes The writers have a ton of questions to answer, hopefully they start doing that soon and don't try to cram it into the last couple of episodes. So I wonder what the letter in the guitar case really said. Did it say to kill Sayid so Jacob could take over his body to get revenge? If so, how did Jacob know he would die when he gave the guitar case to Hurley? I love this show!! __________________ "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein

02-04-2010, 05:21 PM	#7
weak_link The Stranger Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Eric Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,263 Trading: (1)	Re: LOST Notes ^ is Sayid going to go 'Pet Cemetary' on 'em? I love this show, totally addicted and have no idea how I missed this thread last year!

02-05-2010, 01:28 PM	#8
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: LOST Notes I have a feeling the letter in the guitar box was a list of people, like a manifest, that would help solidify Jacob's intent and Jack, Sayid, Kate, Hugo's purpose there to the Other Others __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

02-05-2010, 05:13 PM	#9
Waynegro1 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: LOST Notes Thanks again, Bao!! This is the only show that has me thinking hours later. Looking forward to a great final season.

02-09-2010, 10:26 AM	#10
TheBeard Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Rob Location: TheFace Posts: 285 Trading: (31)	Re: LOST Notes I woke up this morning with a thought: Before Richard took young Ben Linus to the Temple to heal him, he warned that healing him would remove his memory (at least some of it) and he would be forever "one of them." I've been curious as to what this "one of them" is all about, but I just happened to think: How much has Sayid's memory been affected? I look forward to seeing in tonight's episode (which I will get to watch tomorrow) what the heck is going on with Sayid. Perhaps this is what Ben has meant all along when he said that he was "born on the island."

02-09-2010, 10:43 AM	#11
TheBeard Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Rob Location: TheFace Posts: 285 Trading: (31)	Re: LOST Notes I also had a thought strike me last night: From what we've been shown of the Temple previously (that is to say, the area underneath the outer walls that surround the Temple), we've been lead to believe that the Temple is either where the smoke monster lives or is under the protection of the smoke monster, or something along those lines. Yet when the Others inside the Temple found out about Jacob's death, they immediately went into "lockdown mode" and made a point to draw a barrier of ash about their Temple's inner walls. We saw the same ring of ash encircling Jacob's cabin, and every time we saw this ash we were also shown a gap in the ash. Ilana and her crew pointed out that this meant that Jacob had not been in that cabin for some time (which, now makes me wonder if it's been the smoke monster who's been leading everyone on the island along, especially Locke, with visions of dead people). The reason for this ash was shown to us when the smoke monster attacked Brahm and the others: Apparently, Smokey can't cross that barrier. Now, my question: If Smokey had been so near the Temple for so long, why wasn't there an ashen barrier in place to begin with? What was keeping him out of the Temple? What power does (did) Jacob have to keep Smokey at bay? If Jacob's cabin needed to be protected by ash, was his room "in the shadow of the statue" any different?

02-10-2010, 12:15 AM	#13
Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: LOST Notes I'm all caught up now!!! __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

02-10-2010, 12:18 AM	#19
JE3146 Jordan #2 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jordan Location: Tigard, OR Posts: 2,115 Trading: (26)	Re: LOST Notes Sucks with this whole living apart from my wife thing while she's working up North. She leaves on Tuesday nights so I have to wait until the weekend to watch Lost with her

02-10-2010, 08:50 PM	#20
TheBeard Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Rob Location: TheFace Posts: 285 Trading: (31)	Re: LOST Notes So, Claire is alive and on the island. This makes a lot of sense, since she seemed to just vanish into thin air. I'm looking forward to an explanation. What Dogen said about Claire and Sayid in this episode does give a bit more credence to a theory that started forming during last season's finale: When Ilana went to Jacob's cabin and noticed the break in the ashen barrier, she said that Jacob had not been there for quite some time. We saw the same break when Ben took Locke to the cabin in season 3 (The Man Behind The Curtain). If Jacob wasn't in there, who was? Smokey (the smoke monster, the man in black). I think that every dead/missing person that's appeared to our heroes (Christian Shephard multiple times, Claire with Christian saying that she was safe or "home" or something, Walt when Locke had been shot and was in that mass grave, ...) has been Smokey. When Ben went under the Temple walls and fell through the floor and met up with Smokey, we saw that Smokey does have the ability to produce the image of dead persons (Ben's "daughter" told him to follow "Locke"). There are two problems with this theory. 1) Where is Christian Shephard's body? His casket was discovered on the island, but his body was missing. I'd rather there not be a mundane explanation for this. Also, in the "flash sideways" in the season premiere, Oceanic said that his coffin was not on the plane. 2) This theory does not explain Christian's appearance to Jack after Jack left the island.