The Beatles: What am I missing? - Page 4

shilala · 12-05-2011, 07:59 AM

I feel exactly the same way, both the Beatles and Zep. I usually get skewered for saying I don't care if I ever hear another Pink Floyd song again. I've had more than enough.
Same as always, to each his own, smoke what ya like...

12-05-2011, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala

I feel exactly the same way, both the Beatles and Zep. I usually get skewered for saying I don't care if I ever hear another Pink Floyd song again. I've had more than enough.
Same as always, to each his own, smoke what ya like...

Ack!!!! Skewer him!!!!

OLS · 12-05-2011, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala

I feel exactly the same way, both the Beatles and Zep. I usually get skewered for saying I don't care if I ever hear another Pink Floyd song again. I've had more than enough.
Same as always, to each his own, smoke what ya like...

I am like this in that I can't listen to classic rock to save my life. I heard it new, I heard it as the
alternative to the new 70s and 80's am POP, I heard it as the 'classic alternative to alternative.
I have heard it over and over til I am blue in the face with it. That's why I latched on completely to punk
and alternative music. I didn't care what it was as long as it was NEW. That was great stuff in the 60s
and 70s, but don't make me listen to it now. I made it even worse on myself when I was in the service.
I had already lived the genre, then I would go down to the Sound Shop at the Gulfport mall and buy 'cutouts'.
People who are old like me remember cutouts. They were out of print record albums that had been lined up
in long stacks and had a circular saw run over the right hand corner, removing a half inch piece of the album cover.
For a buck apiece, I bought all these records, 100's of em and played them all over again for ten MORE years.
Yeah, I am done with classic rock, lol.

Ashcan Bill · 12-05-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala

I feel exactly the same way, both the Beatles and Zep. I usually get skewered for saying I don't care if I ever hear another Pink Floyd song again. I've had more than enough.
Same as always, to each his own, smoke what ya like...

There are two groups from the "era" I've never had any use for. Floyd and the Bee Gees. The first I've always kinda considered to pretty much be stoner music, although I always preferred Ozzie when indulging. The second, I just don't know what the hell to call it.

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Originally Posted by OLS

I am like this in that I can't listen to classic rock to save my life. I heard it new, I heard it as the
alternative to the new 70s and 80's am POP, I heard it as the 'classic alternative to alternative.
I have heard it over and over til I am blue in the face with it. That's why I latched on completely to punk
and alternative music. I didn't care what it was as long as it was NEW. That was great stuff in the 60s
and 70s, but don't make me listen to it now. I made it even worse on myself when I was in the service.
I had already lived the genre, then I would go down to the Sound Shop at the Gulfport mall and buy 'cutouts'.
People who are old like me remember cutouts. They were out of print record albums that had been lined up
in long stacks and had a circular saw run over the right hand corner, removing a half inch piece of the album cover.
For a buck apiece, I bought all these records, 100's of em and played them all over again for ten MORE years.
Yeah, I am done with classic rock, lol.

My beef with the so called "classic rock" stations are their extremely limited play lists. They take 100 songs from a period that produced tens of thousands, and keep playing them over and over until it becomes nauseating. I always wonder about the IQs of the people that put together the play lists. When was the last time you heard Savoy Brown on "classic rock" radio?

ktblunden · 12-05-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill

My beef with the so called "classic rock" stations are their extremely limited play lists. They take 100 songs from a period that produced tens of thousands, and keep playing them over and over until it becomes nauseating. I always wonder about the IQs of the people that put together the play lists. When was the last time you heard Savoy Brown on "classic rock" radio?

Agreed 100%. I lump all radio stations in with this, even satellite radio. I found XM to be so fresh when I first got it, but I've come to the conclusion that those stations have their standard playlists as well and day-to-day you hear the exact same songs (often times at the same time of day as well).

shilala · 12-07-2011, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill

My beef with the so called "classic rock" stations are their extremely limited play lists. They take 100 songs from a period that produced tens of thousands, and keep playing them over and over until it becomes nauseating. I always wonder about the IQs of the people that put together the play lists. When was the last time you heard Savoy Brown on "classic rock" radio?

Deep Tracks on Sirius mixes things up a bit. I get to hear some stuff on there I haven't heard for years.
I've about burned out on "classic rock" stations, but commercial radio mainly. I listen to lots of odd stuff now. Lucinda Williams, Big Head Todd, Alison Krauss, White Stripes, Modest Mouse and some other new alternative bands that actually have talent and some "art" about them.
I just dig around and find old blues, bluegrass, whatever, and chase it. Lisa and I have totally different catalogs of the past and she shows me new old bands like the Cowboy Junkies, etc.
I just mix it up and keep it fresh. Then after awhile I enjoy going back and looking for some Clapton/Page/Plant/Rodgers solo efforts, or whatever I can find.

longknocker · 12-07-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

Deep Tracks on Sirius mixes things up a bit. I get to hear some stuff on there I haven't heard for years.
I've about burned out on "classic rock" stations, but commercial radio mainly. I listen to lots of odd stuff now. Lucinda Williams, Big Head Todd, Alison Krauss, White Stripes, Modest Mouse and some other new alternative bands that actually have talent and some "art" about them.
I just dig around and find old blues, bluegrass, whatever, and chase it. Lisa and I have totally different catalogs of the past and she shows me new old bands like the Cowboy Junkies, etc.
I just mix it up and keep it fresh. Then after awhile I enjoy going back and looking for some Clapton/Page/Plant/Rodgers solo efforts, or whatever I can find.

Clapton & Page Are The Only Ones I Recognize, Scott. Am I Old???

MajorCaptSilly · 12-07-2011, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala

Deep Tracks on Sirius mixes things up a bit. I get to hear some stuff on there I haven't heard for years.
I've about burned out on "classic rock" stations, but commercial radio mainly. I listen to lots of odd stuff now. Lucinda Williams, Big Head Todd, Alison Krauss, White Stripes, Modest Mouse and some other new alternative bands that actually have talent and some "art" about them.
I just dig around and find old blues, bluegrass, whatever, and chase it. Lisa and I have totally different catalogs of the past and she shows me new old bands like the Cowboy Junkies, etc.
I just mix it up and keep it fresh. Then after awhile I enjoy going back and looking for some Clapton/Page/Plant/Rodgers solo efforts, or whatever I can find.

I saw Big Head Todd in '93. I was a fan before and a super-fan after. Very good stuff. I also find good, alternative stuff usually a couple years after they break up. Cage The Elephant and The Black Ryder are on heavy rotation for me lately.

MCS

shark · 01-12-2012, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala

Deep Tracks on Sirius mixes things up a bit. I get to hear some stuff on there I haven't heard for years.
I've about burned out on "classic rock" stations, but commercial radio mainly. I listen to lots of odd stuff now. Lucinda Williams, Big Head Todd, Alison Krauss, White Stripes, Modest Mouse and some other new alternative bands that actually have talent and some "art" about them.
I just dig around and find old blues, bluegrass, whatever, and chase it. Lisa and I have totally different catalogs of the past and she shows me new old bands like the Cowboy Junkies, etc.
I just mix it up and keep it fresh. Then after awhile I enjoy going back and looking for some Clapton/Page/Plant/Rodgers solo efforts, or whatever I can find.

Much like FM radio was like back in the day. The pop stuff was on AM stations

OLS · 12-05-2011, 08:02 AM

Doesn't "get" Elvis, lol.

It's simple. In order to "get" Bix Beiderbecke, you have to have tolerated whatever came a generation
before him. In order to get Buddy Holly, you had to understand what came one or two generations behind
HIM. In order to "get" Elvis, you needed to know about Count Basie, the big bands, and 50 other 1940s acts
branching into whatever stuck up white milktoast music people were digging 20 years before him. In order to
get the Beatles, you have to get Elvis. Everything built on or was a Violent reaction to everything that came
before it. People who like Hip Hop listen to the Sugarhill Gang and Grandmaster Flash and think "people actually
LISTENED TO THIS??" Elvis was a gigantic innovator not only because of what he did, but what color he was
doing it. He took music that people wanted to get into (but couldn't) or wouldn't, because it was "colored
music" When they found out he was a white kid, the lid came off the whole deal. The Beatles listened to Elvis
and tried to copy and out-swing him. With music you either like it or not. No need to question why you don't
get it. But it is very enriching to study American popular music since the 1880s and see the tree grow.

You may not know this, but in England, before Buddy Holly and Elvis, the popular british bands at the
time were playing a music that equates to Dixieland Jazz (skiffle). Yes, the people in the Rolling Stones
were playing skiffle before they heard these records. Can you imagine what those race records did to
those kids when they heard them?? Talk about blowing the lid off of something.

ktblunden · 12-05-2011, 08:38 AM

Some bands such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Elvis, and Led Zeppelin had such an impact on music at the time they came out that they will forever be remembered as some of the greatest artists ever. For people of their time periods, they were. They played stuff people had never heard before. They contributed to and influenced music as it sounds today. However, the newer generations have their own music they identify with, and the older acts don't always hold up after all this time has passed.

I don't begrudge people who think Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever, but I also ask that they don't begrudge my opinion that I can't stand their music. I think you can respect the influence of the older acts without being forced to like and worship their music. There is a tendency on both sides of the aisle to look down on the other for either "living in the past" or for "not respecting the past." Both sides need to realize that everyone's taste in music is different.

All that being said, I really like later Beatles stuff. Their early songs are way too formulaic and trite for me, but the later stuff has some really impressive songwriting and structure.

Bruins Fan · 12-05-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blugill

I'll start off by saying I don't get it. I'm 41, listened to them on the radio when they were on the radio. Was a paperboy in high school and frequently heard the radio documentaries about their life and times every weekend but I don't get it.

I'd be perfectly happy to never listen to another Beatles tune and not regret it. I know a lot of people still listen to them, but I find their stuff tired, dated, and not really relevant today.

Now Led Zeppelin on the other hand!

You answered your own question,your only 41 and was not around in the 60's to see and be part of what was going on,it was sex,drugs,and rock and roll.
The Beatles were the tip of the spear that changed music

The Poet · 12-05-2011, 04:11 PM

You obviously don't realize it, brother, but the title of your thread states more than you likely intended. You ask, "What am I missing?", and not "What's all the fuss?". On some level, you seem to grasp that this is YOUR problem (or issue, if you prefer) and not the problem of those who DON'T "miss it".

As others have stated, you almost had to be there. I could go on for days, but there's not much point to it. Simply realize that, long after both you and I are dead, people will still be listening to The Beatles.

ArgusP2 · 12-05-2011, 09:49 PM

A time, a place, and a state of mind.

I've listened and enjoyed all the groups and soloists mentioned above, except Miley Beiber, and I'm sure a few others of this generation's pre-teen sensations. I grew up mostly on Led Zepplin, Rush, Who and Rolling Stones. I've also grown to appreciate bands like Coldplay, Silversun Pickups and yes, Josh Grobin. It all depends on how each band, soloist or song spoke to you.
The Beatles, then and to some extent now, made a connection, just as the songs of today speak to us now (or don't).

A time, a place, and a state of mind.
Rocky Patel: What am I missing?

Just sayin'

AD720 · 12-06-2011, 09:35 AM

icehog3 · 12-06-2011, 02:14 PM

Yes....thanks to drugs, and all the irreparable harm that quitting them 25 years ago has done to me.

pnoon · 12-06-2011, 07:10 PM

Something fun to lighten the mood. Yet topical

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/12-ex...ut-popular-mus

MNSmoker · 12-06-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Something fun to lighten the mood. Yet topical

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/12-ex...ut-popular-mus

We're done as a society.

Lumpold · 12-07-2011, 04:33 AM

Y'all need to get hold of Mellow Dubmarine

Smokin Gator · 12-07-2011, 04:10 PM

I have listened to so much stuff over the years I can't list it all. Now about all I listen to (as anyone who has been here can attest) is the blues genre. I like the saying... the blues are the roots... everything else is the fruits.

Many of the afore mentioned bands can attribute their success to the blues.

12-05-2011, 07:59 AM	#1
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: The Beatles: What am I missing? I feel exactly the same way, both the Beatles and Zep. I usually get skewered for saying I don't care if I ever hear another Pink Floyd song again. I've had more than enough. Same as always, to each his own, smoke what ya like... __________________

12-05-2011, 08:02 AM	#10
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: The Beatles: What am I missing? Doesn't "get" Elvis, lol. It's simple. In order to "get" Bix Beiderbecke, you have to have tolerated whatever came a generation before him. In order to get Buddy Holly, you had to understand what came one or two generations behind HIM. In order to "get" Elvis, you needed to know about Count Basie, the big bands, and 50 other 1940s acts branching into whatever stuck up white milktoast music people were digging 20 years before him. In order to get the Beatles, you have to get Elvis. Everything built on or was a Violent reaction to everything that came before it. People who like Hip Hop listen to the Sugarhill Gang and Grandmaster Flash and think "people actually LISTENED TO THIS??" Elvis was a gigantic innovator not only because of what he did, but what color he was doing it. He took music that people wanted to get into (but couldn't) or wouldn't, because it was "colored music" When they found out he was a white kid, the lid came off the whole deal. The Beatles listened to Elvis and tried to copy and out-swing him. With music you either like it or not. No need to question why you don't get it. But it is very enriching to study American popular music since the 1880s and see the tree grow. You may not know this, but in England, before Buddy Holly and Elvis, the popular british bands at the time were playing a music that equates to Dixieland Jazz (skiffle). Yes, the people in the Rolling Stones were playing skiffle before they heard these records. Can you imagine what those race records did to those kids when they heard them?? Talk about blowing the lid off of something. Last edited by OLS; 12-05-2011 at 08:16 AM.

12-05-2011, 08:38 AM	#11
ktblunden Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Kevin Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 350 Trading: (6)	Re: The Beatles: What am I missing? Some bands such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Elvis, and Led Zeppelin had such an impact on music at the time they came out that they will forever be remembered as some of the greatest artists ever. For people of their time periods, they were. They played stuff people had never heard before. They contributed to and influenced music as it sounds today. However, the newer generations have their own music they identify with, and the older acts don't always hold up after all this time has passed. I don't begrudge people who think Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever, but I also ask that they don't begrudge my opinion that I can't stand their music. I think you can respect the influence of the older acts without being forced to like and worship their music. There is a tendency on both sides of the aisle to look down on the other for either "living in the past" or for "not respecting the past." Both sides need to realize that everyone's taste in music is different. All that being said, I really like later Beatles stuff. Their early songs are way too formulaic and trite for me, but the later stuff has some really impressive songwriting and structure.

12-05-2011, 04:11 PM	#13
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: The Beatles: What am I missing? You obviously don't realize it, brother, but the title of your thread states more than you likely intended. You ask, "What am I missing?", and not "What's all the fuss?". On some level, you seem to grasp that this is YOUR problem (or issue, if you prefer) and not the problem of those who DON'T "miss it". As others have stated, you almost had to be there. I could go on for days, but there's not much point to it. Simply realize that, long after both you and I are dead, people will still be listening to The Beatles. __________________ Ninety percent of everything is crap - Theodore Sturgeon.

12-05-2011, 09:49 PM	#14
ArgusP2 It's Smokin' Time! Join Date: Mar 2011 First Name: Angel Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 1,709 Trading: (13)	Re: The Beatles: What am I missing? A time, a place, and a state of mind. I've listened and enjoyed all the groups and soloists mentioned above, except Miley Beiber, and I'm sure a few others of this generation's pre-teen sensations. I grew up mostly on Led Zepplin, Rush, Who and Rolling Stones. I've also grown to appreciate bands like Coldplay, Silversun Pickups and yes, Josh Grobin. It all depends on how each band, soloist or song spoke to you. The Beatles, then and to some extent now, made a connection, just as the songs of today speak to us now (or don't). A time, a place, and a state of mind. Rocky Patel: What am I missing? Just sayin' __________________ "There are no bad cigars, only better ones!" -Bdawg

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icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 72,105 Trading: (60)	Re: The Beatles: What am I missing? Yes....thanks to drugs, and all the irreparable harm that quitting them 25 years ago has done to me. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

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pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: The Beatles: What am I missing? Something fun to lighten the mood. Yet topical http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/12-ex...ut-popular-mus __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

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Smokin Gator Just plain insane! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Swamp Posts: 6,237 Trading: (106)	Re: The Beatles: What am I missing? I have listened to so much stuff over the years I can't list it all. Now about all I listen to (as anyone who has been here can attest) is the blues genre. I like the saying... the blues are the roots... everything else is the fruits. Many of the afore mentioned bands can attribute their success to the blues. __________________ Check out the Cigar Asylum Newbie Sampler Trade