rookie with a draw question

03-07-2011, 08:44 PM

I am embarrassed to ask this question; however, I figure I am just beginning to learn the world of cigars so here goes. I smoked a Padron 3000 the other day that was great (in my opinion). The B&M had labelled the cigar as mild/med but I think it was more on the med side. Great taste and a light "puff" every now and then would provide generous smoke. Now for my question. I just finished smoking a Gurkha Symphony that I just wanted to be over by the end. The taste was fine, but the draw was killing me. I would literally have to try to suck the cigar down my throat every 20-30 seconds to keep it going with little smoke at all. I honestly feel like my tongue/mouth are sore from drawing so hard.

The cigar's feel seemed fine to me except that it was a little hard right near the head. I assume that is the issue. In my rookie opinion, it was not to dry or wet. Is this what they mean about being overly "tight" or is something else going on? How do you alleviate this in the future? Thanks and sorry for the probably obvious pitiful question.

VirtualSmitty · 03-07-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by G22inSC

I just finished smoking a Gurkha Symphony that I just wanted to be over by the end.

That's actually the standard reaction to smoking any Gurkha product, don't worry

Bill86 · 03-07-2011, 08:50 PM

1. Don't guy Gurkha (that's for you Tom

, and the rest of the board)
2. In my experiences chopping the cap end about 1-1.5 inches off will fix the problem, or at least make it tolerable.

NCRadioMan · 03-07-2011, 08:51 PM

Sounds like it was plugged. You get those every once in a while since it's a handmade product they all won't be perfect. Padron comes very close.

When I get a plugged cigar, I pitch it and grab another.

Always test the draw before lighting. If it's too tight, put it back in the humidor and get another cigar. Time can open it up.

MurphysLaw · 03-07-2011, 08:51 PM

Are you using a cutter or a punch? Sometimes I find just cutting a little more helps. Even just rolling the cut end between your fingers can loosen a tight draw.

03-07-2011, 08:57 PM

You had a plugged cigar. Unfortunately this is something you run into when smoking cigars. There is a product made called a draw poker which looks like a long needle almost. You would push it through the cut part of the cigar to try and open up the cigar. For example i had a J Fuego Origin Toro that was the same way. Most of the cigar felt fine but towards the cut part of the cigar it felt really tightly packed. I used the tool to push through it and the cigar ended up smoking fine. Sometimes the plugged part of the cigar can be further down in the cigar. When i first started smoking cigars and would run into a plugged cigar i would smoke through it. Now i've been smoking so long that i am at the point that when i run into this and can't get the draw open enough, i just throw it away. As much as it pains me, its not worth it because the whole point of smoking a cigar is to relax and enjoy yourself. You can do that if you have the experience you did. Sometimes you can also get a cigar's draw to open up a little bit by "massaging it". By that i mean rolling it in your fingers and slightly pressing in on it. Doesn't always work but sometimes it helps. I will add though that there are plenty of cigars that when you feel them, they feel extremely solid and they end up having a perfect draw. If you liked the taste of the cigar, i would reccomend picking up another one at some point and trying it again. I always smoke three of a cigar to trully form an opinion of it.

JaKaacH · 03-07-2011, 09:03 PM

One of the lessons learned here.

Padron=

Gurkha=

pnoon · 03-07-2011, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cincysmoker

You had a plugged cigar. Unfortunately this is something you run into when smoking cigars. There is a product made called a draw poker which looks like a long needle almost. You would push it through the cut part of the cigar to try and open up the cigar. For example i had a J Fuego Origin Toro that was the same way. Most of the cigar felt fine but towards the cut part of the cigar it felt really tightly packed. I used the tool to push through it and the cigar ended up smoking fine. Sometimes the plugged part of the cigar can be further down in the cigar. When i first started smoking cigars and would run into a plugged cigar i would smoke through it. Now i've been smoking so long that i am at the point that when i run into this and can't get the draw open enough, i just throw it away. As much as it pains me, its not worth it because the whole point of smoking a cigar is to relax and enjoy yourself. You can do that if you have the experience you did. Sometimes you can also get a cigar's draw to open up a little bit by "massaging it". By that i mean rolling it in your fingers and slightly pressing in on it. Doesn't always work but sometimes it helps. I will add though that there are plenty of cigars that when you feel them, they feel extremely solid and they end up having a perfect draw. If you liked the taste of the cigar, i would reccomend picking up another one at some point and trying it again. I always smoke three of a cigar to trully form an opinion of it.

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OHRD · 03-08-2011, 06:50 AM

Somebody help me out...which BOTL on here sells the draw tool? I have one at home and LOVE it...

David, you can buy a tool that will help open up the draw on plugged sticks to prevent wasting it.

wayner123 · 03-08-2011, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHRD

Somebody help me out...which BOTL on here sells the draw tool? I have one at home and LOVE it...

David, you can buy a tool that will help open up the draw on plugged sticks to prevent wasting it.

Slickster81 sells a very nice one:

boom · 03-08-2011, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHRD

Somebody help me out...which BOTL on here sells the draw tool? I have one at home and LOVE it...

David, you can buy a tool that will help open up the draw on plugged sticks to prevent wasting it.

I do as well... Working on a batch now to have some on hand,,,

OLS · 03-08-2011, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Always test the draw before lighting. If it's too tight, put it back in the humidor and get another cigar. Time can open it up.

Third Chapter of Greg, Verse 1 and 2. Truer words have never been spoken.
You'd be surprised at how many people cut a cigar, put it in their mouth and light it
and only find out air won't go through it after they have thoroughly charred the end.
A poor drawing cigar simply needs to go into a dry box, out on a countertop for a week or so or
left alone to age for a few years. 8 times in 10, the cigar becomes smokeable.
But once you char the tip, might as well throw it away or use a poker on it immediately.

BloodSpite · 03-08-2011, 08:46 AM

For my money having a poker is a necessity.

It's either that or chucking the cigar, and personally I have no desire to chuck $15 bucks or more in to the yard because the durn thing wont smoke.

tsolomon · 03-08-2011, 09:46 AM

I haven't had much luck with draw tools, but if it's plugged I will dry box for a couple of days to see if the draw improves. If that doesn't work I chuck it.

12-14-2011, 07:44 PM

check out Plugged Cigar Tool on E Bay. Works every time.

icehog3 · 12-14-2011, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cigarcore

check out Plugged Cigar Tool on E Bay. Works every time.

Never owned a cigar tool that worked "every time".

Remo · 12-14-2011, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3

Never owned a cigar tool that worked "every time".

Maybe he meant "every time, so far"

pnoon · 12-14-2011, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cigarcore

check out Plugged Cigar Tool on E Bay. Works every time.

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ApexAZ · 12-14-2011, 08:58 PM

I like some Gurkhas, but they do have some consistency issues when it comes to draw. They can be found for relatively cheap online and I figure you get what you pay for. I too like the flavors of many of them, but find draw issues from time to time. Their wrappers are also extremely fragile and I've had several come apart by the final 3rd. Not bad for knock around smokes though.

12-17-2011, 06:07 PM

Check out Plugged Cigar Tool on E Bay, It's the plugged cigar tool that works most of the time.

03-07-2011, 08:44 PM	#1
G22inSC Guest Posts: n/a	rookie with a draw question I am embarrassed to ask this question; however, I figure I am just beginning to learn the world of cigars so here goes. I smoked a Padron 3000 the other day that was great (in my opinion). The B&M had labelled the cigar as mild/med but I think it was more on the med side. Great taste and a light "puff" every now and then would provide generous smoke. Now for my question. I just finished smoking a Gurkha Symphony that I just wanted to be over by the end. The taste was fine, but the draw was killing me. I would literally have to try to suck the cigar down my throat every 20-30 seconds to keep it going with little smoke at all. I honestly feel like my tongue/mouth are sore from drawing so hard. The cigar's feel seemed fine to me except that it was a little hard right near the head. I assume that is the issue. In my rookie opinion, it was not to dry or wet. Is this what they mean about being overly "tight" or is something else going on? How do you alleviate this in the future? Thanks and sorry for the probably obvious pitiful question.

03-07-2011, 08:50 PM	#3
Bill86 Snob Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Bill Posts: 6,704 Trading: (67)	Re: rookie with a draw question 1. Don't guy Gurkha (that's for you Tom , and the rest of the board) 2. In my experiences chopping the cap end about 1-1.5 inches off will fix the problem, or at least make it tolerable.

03-07-2011, 08:51 PM	#4
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: rookie with a draw question Sounds like it was plugged. You get those every once in a while since it's a handmade product they all won't be perfect. Padron comes very close. When I get a plugged cigar, I pitch it and grab another. Always test the draw before lighting. If it's too tight, put it back in the humidor and get another cigar. Time can open it up. __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

03-07-2011, 08:51 PM	#5
MurphysLaw Anything can go wrong Join Date: Dec 2010 First Name: Brian Location: SoFlo Posts: 2,823 Trading: (19)	Re: rookie with a draw question Are you using a cutter or a punch? Sometimes I find just cutting a little more helps. Even just rolling the cut end between your fingers can loosen a tight draw.

03-07-2011, 08:57 PM	#6
Cincysmoker Guest Posts: n/a	Re: rookie with a draw question You had a plugged cigar. Unfortunately this is something you run into when smoking cigars. There is a product made called a draw poker which looks like a long needle almost. You would push it through the cut part of the cigar to try and open up the cigar. For example i had a J Fuego Origin Toro that was the same way. Most of the cigar felt fine but towards the cut part of the cigar it felt really tightly packed. I used the tool to push through it and the cigar ended up smoking fine. Sometimes the plugged part of the cigar can be further down in the cigar. When i first started smoking cigars and would run into a plugged cigar i would smoke through it. Now i've been smoking so long that i am at the point that when i run into this and can't get the draw open enough, i just throw it away. As much as it pains me, its not worth it because the whole point of smoking a cigar is to relax and enjoy yourself. You can do that if you have the experience you did. Sometimes you can also get a cigar's draw to open up a little bit by "massaging it". By that i mean rolling it in your fingers and slightly pressing in on it. Doesn't always work but sometimes it helps. I will add though that there are plenty of cigars that when you feel them, they feel extremely solid and they end up having a perfect draw. If you liked the taste of the cigar, i would reccomend picking up another one at some point and trying it again. I always smoke three of a cigar to trully form an opinion of it.

03-07-2011, 09:03 PM	#7
JaKaacH ROCK Chalk JAYHAWK K U Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeff Location: Living in the golden age of ignorance in power. Posts: 1,363 Trading: (32)	Re: rookie with a draw question One of the lessons learned here. Padron= Gurkha= __________________ --Anger Management Graduate-- WHAT the F^#% you looking at???

03-08-2011, 06:50 AM	#9
OHRD Garage w/ couch & ashtray Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Matt Posts: 1,377 Trading: (39)	Re: rookie with a draw question Somebody help me out...which BOTL on here sells the draw tool? I have one at home and LOVE it... David, you can buy a tool that will help open up the draw on plugged sticks to prevent wasting it. __________________ Did I tell you my garage has a couch and an ashtray? My wife doesn't let me sleep or smoke inside.

03-08-2011, 08:46 AM	#13
BloodSpite He Who Dares...WINS! Join Date: Oct 2010 First Name: Joe Location: Southwest, Missouri Posts: 364 Trading: (1)	Re: rookie with a draw question For my money having a poker is a necessity. It's either that or chucking the cigar, and personally I have no desire to chuck $15 bucks or more in to the yard because the durn thing wont smoke.

03-08-2011, 09:46 AM	#14
tsolomon Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: The Villages, FL Posts: 1,246 Trading: (31)	Re: rookie with a draw question I haven't had much luck with draw tools, but if it's plugged I will dry box for a couple of days to see if the draw improves. If that doesn't work I chuck it.

12-14-2011, 07:44 PM	#15
cigarcore Guest Posts: n/a	Re: rookie with a draw question check out Plugged Cigar Tool on E Bay. Works every time.

12-14-2011, 08:58 PM	#19
ApexAZ Wandering aimlessly Join Date: Oct 2011 First Name: Brian Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 1,299 Trading: (10)	Re: rookie with a draw question I like some Gurkhas, but they do have some consistency issues when it comes to draw. They can be found for relatively cheap online and I figure you get what you pay for. I too like the flavors of many of them, but find draw issues from time to time. Their wrappers are also extremely fragile and I've had several come apart by the final 3rd. Not bad for knock around smokes though.

12-17-2011, 06:07 PM	#20
cigarcore Guest Posts: n/a	Re: rookie with a draw question Check out Plugged Cigar Tool on E Bay, It's the plugged cigar tool that works most of the time.