Advice for B&M customers anyone? - Page 3

Bill86 · 03-06-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by smelly4tay

haha Icehog, I spit a little beer out scrolling down to that picture.

I am guilty as well Bill, but it drives me nuts going into a shop and having 11 old guys look at me (not knowing who works there) and peg me for a certain cigar smoker(blunts), or a total noob....then when names like Pete Johnson come up....they have no idea what I am talking about as they puff on their Maxim de Paris'. LOL

Yeah I use to work at a hotel. They did a wine tasting, was sh!t wine. Like $10 a bottle and all the old douchebags got really dressed up in their suits and puffed on their crappy noname cigars that they only "smoked" an inch off of and put them down. (we're talking 60X6's here too)

I hate people that try to fit in or act like something they are not. So annoying, I was just thinking wow you look like an idiot puffing on that dogrocket in your tux.

weak_link · 03-07-2011, 06:34 PM

When I worked in a shop we had a couple guys who would come in and pinch half the box before selecting one. Look, these weren't 2000 CC Punch Churchills, they all smoke fine buddy!

JaKaacH · 03-07-2011, 06:44 PM

I love the guys who have to marinate the stock in their nose juice

enlightenedcigar · 03-07-2011, 08:51 PM

I know that I am a young guy working in a B&M, I have worked in the same shop for 3 years now and it drives me crazy when new customers say something about me being young and knowing what I am talking about.

Its also terrible when a customer goes through a box of cigars searching for one, which is fine, and leaves loose sticks on the shelf or in randomly placed boxes.

Hate, HATE it when some one punches a cigar too hard and splits the cap, or cuts an inch off of the cigar and complains that the wrapper is coming off or the cap is busted. Its your own fault!

ninjavanish · 03-08-2011, 11:49 AM

Well... my list of particulars could go on for quite a while... so I will try to keep it to a minimum.

1) Don't be an @$$hole. The Golden Rule applies... even in cigar stores.

2) Don't be a cheap @$$. I realize that everyone has different levels of income and budgets for cigars, but picking up a $25 bundle of cigars and hounding the employee/owner about the price/discount... see rule #1.

3) Look up the definition of the word "Patronage". Strive to be a true Patron of the store.

4) Cigar Accesories should be brought with you or purchased at the store if possible. I would happily loan you a cutter to use... provided you're not the type who feels the need to coat the entire cap/cigar with saliva before using said cutter.

5) If you bring Booze, you be generous enough to bring enough to share with the employee/owner if they so choose to provide a haven for you to enjoy it. If it's a place that serves booze, you should not BYOB.

6) Thou Shalt not ash on my floor/couch/tv stand/coffe table/toilet seat/etc. and not make an effort to clean it up. Accidents happen, of course, but most stores I have been in... anywhere you stand or sit there is an ashtray within arms reach.

7) The remote control privelages can be taken away at the owner's discretion. Do not hound me to watch another episode of Modern Marvels if you've been there watching it for 4 hours already. The Kardashians should never be on in a cigar store. Period.

8) If free beverages are an offer the store makes... be considerate. I don't think you really need 6 Moutain Dews in a row anyway.

9) Thou Shalt not steal. Ever. Or I'll club your knees in with an axe handle.

And Finally

10) Always enjoy yourself and what you're smoking, but not at someone else's expense.

03-08-2011, 01:41 PM

May I add that "some" of us would rather buy cigars while at the local B&M, bring them home and put in our humidor for awhile before smoking. So, if we want to smoke one of our own cigars that was not purchased at the local B&M, be sure to ask the owner if you can smoke your own while in the store PROVIDED you buy something (preferably cigars) while you are there. If the owner says NO, follow the rules. If he allows you to smoke one of your own on his premises, keep quiet about it. Once you take the label off, roll it up and put it in a waste basket, no one will know what you're smoking unless you tell them.

How do those of you that work/own a B&M feel about that?

Cheers,

Mike T.

03-07-2011, 11:06 PM

Silound:

I read your entire post and it sounds more than reasonable to me. Of course, you are expecting people to be courteous and considerate of others, that might be a stretch. I've never worked in a cigar shop but I have worked in retail for a number of years. People can be rude.

Something else comes to mind when shopping in a B&M. Don't come in empty handed. I bring my own Butane lighter and my own cutter. Whenever I go in there and want to smoke a cigar, I buy at least one or more of what they have in stock. The last time I went to a well stocked B&M (back home during the holidays) I was like a kid in a candy store. Me and my nephew were cruising the inventory and an employee came over and asked if he could be of assistance. I said yes and started asking him about different smokes he had in stock. Then he asked me what i usually smoked (what cigars I have appreciated) and then he made a few suggestions, like "Well, if you like that then you might also like this". Very cool. I took him up on several of his suggestions and ended up getting some great cigars that I didn't know anything about before I walked in the store. I spent about $65.00. My nephew bought some accessories too. Then we retired to the TV room and smoked a cigar. It was a very nice experience. We didn't get in the way and didn't annoy anyone. Both me and my nephew joined their "club" card membership and got on their email list.

I wish that store was closer to where i live.

As far as a cigar store employee being "young", if someone is working in a cigar store, then I have to assume he knows something about cigars. At my age (63) EVERYONE in the store is younger than me. I'm not reluctant to ask their opinion or a question. Sometimes they provide information on specials or box prices, shipping charges if I want to order when I get back home, etc. I try to be friendly and courteous. I don't walk on water but I try not to upset the apple cart, which is their place of business.

Cheers,

Mike T.

Tio Gato · 03-08-2011, 05:31 AM

It really frosts me when approaching a cigar store when there are cigar butts littered up and down the block near the store. Show some respect for the shop's owner and his neighbors.

Also, don't park in another business's lot unless you have permission. A shop near me is in a historical neighborhood, lots of old homes and businesses. Next door is an insurance guy with three spots for customers. He's had to put up hundreds of dollars in signs to protect his little lot from inconsiderate B&M customers. The signs really detract from the historical beauty of the neighborhood. What gets me is that there are dozens of metered parking spots surrounding the place. Pay the quarter people!

NCRadioMan · 03-08-2011, 05:35 AM

It can happen in minutes. Looks like they start with Padron Anny's. This couple is slick. When an employee comes in, the man distracts him while his wife stuffs her pocketbook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNVL1nNaEgw

MurphysLaw · 03-08-2011, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

It can happen in minutes. Looks like they start with Padron Anny's. This couple is slick. When an employee comes in, the man distracts him while his wife stuffs her pocketbook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNVL1nNaEgw

That is just sickening...

Skywalker · 03-08-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

It can happen in minutes. Looks like they start with Padron Anny's. This couple is slick. When an employee comes in, the man distracts him while his wife stuffs her pocketbook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNVL1nNaEgw

My stomach hurts after watching that!

I hope they got busted big time!!!

JaKaacH · 03-08-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

My stomach hurts after watching that!

I hope they got busted big time!!!

They need to post their picture on the front door of every business within 3 miles of that B&M. The picture should have a headline "Thieves"

neoflex · 03-08-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

It can happen in minutes. Looks like they start with Padron Anny's. This couple is slick. When an employee comes in, the man distracts him while his wife stuffs her pocketbook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNVL1nNaEgw

This video makes me sick. I wish we could go to a system where it's eye for an eye style. You steal, you lose a hand. You steal again, you lose the other one. You get the idea!

The best part of that video is they think they are being so slick about it meanwhile they are in dead view of the camera.

pektel · 03-08-2011, 03:33 PM

I would think that's fair. Maybe they don't keep their humidor at your preferred RH.

Mugen910 · 03-08-2011, 04:16 PM

I've done it a few times...What's going to keep them open if people just come in and don't buy but smoke their own stuff? I'll usually bring a 3 cigar holder and just swap one I bought with one I'm going to smoke.

neoflex · 03-08-2011, 04:31 PM

I hate the know it alls. You ask an employee about a stick and the know it all customer steps on him and proceeds to try and tell me everything he thinks he knows and than proceeds to tell me why I shouldn't smoke the stick I asked about but insists I try X, Y or Z instead because they are his favorite. These are usually the guys that live at the shop and even most of the staff can't tolerate them.

Kreth · 03-08-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by neoflex

I hate the know-it-alls.

Fixed that for you.

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RandJCigars · 03-09-2011, 12:21 PM

This is a great Topic. My experiences are similar to all of yours. The price thing is what gets me the most. Here in Texas, cigar taxes are at a minimum (1.1 cents per stick), which allows me to be quite competitive with everyone....including all the online giants.

To be honest with you, their prices aren't that great when it comes to box pricing and single stick pricing. I got that covered easily. It's the sampler packages that I have to explain to customers. From time to time, I get a gentleman coming in carrying a catalog from one of the Online Giants, and he whips it open and points to a particular package. What most of these guys are looking at is stick Quantity, not quality. They'll be pointing at a sampler that has 25 sticks for $30 and all the sticks in there are garbage. Or even the samplers that include some decent sticks, but mixed in there are 5 Vegas and Padilla "Hybrid". Most of us retailers know, from being in the business, that these gimmicks work very well. It just gets old explaining that 5 Vegas is just some garbage CI came out with, or Rocky Patel "Connecticut" is not the same as Rocky Patel Vintage 99'. Once these customers are educated, I feel they appreciate the honesty and the lesson.

Down here in Houston, it rains alot. Well in the shopping center I am in, there is a flower bed in front of the store. On a rainy day, I cannot count how many times people park curb side....run through the muddy flower bed....come inside the store for 1 cigar....hand me their soaking wet money...and run out as if their shoe prints aren't all over the tile. Really bugs me...

The cell phone thing isn't an issue for me here, people just seem to recognize that their conversations should be kept to theirselves outside before they come in.

Another big one for me, is what another member mentioned above. Someone will come in, and look for 10 minutes at everything you have, and pick the one thing you don't carry (vitola wise) and blurt out "Oh you don't have Macanudo XYZ!?" when there is like 9 different sizes of Macanudo on the shelf. I find it kind of interesting though, because when I call them out on their bluff, they usually man up and buy something realizing that they just made an ass out of theirselves in front of (usually) 5-6 guys sitting down and smoking. There are those, however, that come in and ask for certain things from the "Big 5" I call it (Cohiba, Montecristo, Macanudo, Punch, and Romeo) but are highly acceptable to suggestions of a better stick and better value for the same price range. Those are the customers that come in the next time and usually Thank me for "opening my eyes".

Let's keep this topic going, its always interesting to hear what other retailers have to say about their day to day experiences in their stores.

kaisersozei · 03-09-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RandJCigars

Or even the samplers that include some decent sticks, but mixed in there are 5 Vegas and Padilla "Hybrid". Most of us retailers know, from being in the business, that these gimmicks work very well. It just gets old explaining that 5 Vegas is just some garbage CI came out with, or Rocky Patel "Connecticut" is not the same as Rocky Patel Vintage 99'. Once these customers are educated, I feel they appreciate the honesty and the lesson.

Although if your intent is to just steer them away from the 5 Vegas "garbage" and into something from your store, I'd say you were doing more marketing and less educating. I'm not a retailer or even a cigar expert, but 5 Vegas makes some pretty good sticks, price point aside.

Not trying to start something, just my

03-09-2011, 02:24 PM

1. If you are going to be touching sticks, wash your hands

2. Don't over-handle the sticks. People like those oils on their stogies, not on your hands

3. Introduce yourself to the proprietor. A little friendliness goes a long way

4. If you are new to the shop, but not to cigars, maybe bringing in one of your fav or special sticks to give the shop owner might be a good way of introducing yourself.

5. Don't be a dick. If you are being pushy, overbearing, or just rude...expect rudeness back.

6. Don't ask for Cubans. Haven't had them since 51.

03-07-2011, 06:34 PM	#2
weak_link The Stranger Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Eric Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,263 Trading: (1)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? When I worked in a shop we had a couple guys who would come in and pinch half the box before selecting one. Look, these weren't 2000 CC Punch Churchills, they all smoke fine buddy!

03-07-2011, 06:44 PM	#3
JaKaacH ROCK Chalk JAYHAWK K U Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeff Location: Living in the golden age of ignorance in power. Posts: 1,363 Trading: (32)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? I love the guys who have to marinate the stock in their nose juice __________________ --Anger Management Graduate-- WHAT the F^#% you looking at???

03-07-2011, 08:51 PM	#4
enlightenedcigar Still Watching My Back Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Billy Location: Seabrook, TX Posts: 123 Trading: (2)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? I know that I am a young guy working in a B&M, I have worked in the same shop for 3 years now and it drives me crazy when new customers say something about me being young and knowing what I am talking about. Its also terrible when a customer goes through a box of cigars searching for one, which is fine, and leaves loose sticks on the shelf or in randomly placed boxes. Hate, HATE it when some one punches a cigar too hard and splits the cap, or cuts an inch off of the cigar and complains that the wrapper is coming off or the cap is busted. Its your own fault! __________________ Wreck'em Tech and go Broncos!!!!

03-08-2011, 11:49 AM	#5
ninjavanish Feeling at Home Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Trust me, your humi isn't big enough. Posts: 507 Trading: (16)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? Well... my list of particulars could go on for quite a while... so I will try to keep it to a minimum. 1) Don't be an @$$hole. The Golden Rule applies... even in cigar stores. 2) Don't be a cheap @$$. I realize that everyone has different levels of income and budgets for cigars, but picking up a $25 bundle of cigars and hounding the employee/owner about the price/discount... see rule #1. 3) Look up the definition of the word "Patronage". Strive to be a true Patron of the store. 4) Cigar Accesories should be brought with you or purchased at the store if possible. I would happily loan you a cutter to use... provided you're not the type who feels the need to coat the entire cap/cigar with saliva before using said cutter. 5) If you bring Booze, you be generous enough to bring enough to share with the employee/owner if they so choose to provide a haven for you to enjoy it. If it's a place that serves booze, you should not BYOB. 6) Thou Shalt not ash on my floor/couch/tv stand/coffe table/toilet seat/etc. and not make an effort to clean it up. Accidents happen, of course, but most stores I have been in... anywhere you stand or sit there is an ashtray within arms reach. 7) The remote control privelages can be taken away at the owner's discretion. Do not hound me to watch another episode of Modern Marvels if you've been there watching it for 4 hours already. The Kardashians should never be on in a cigar store. Period. 8) If free beverages are an offer the store makes... be considerate. I don't think you really need 6 Moutain Dews in a row anyway. 9) Thou Shalt not steal. Ever. Or I'll club your knees in with an axe handle. And Finally 10) Always enjoy yourself and what you're smoking, but not at someone else's expense.

03-08-2011, 01:41 PM	#6
Miket156 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? May I add that "some" of us would rather buy cigars while at the local B&M, bring them home and put in our humidor for awhile before smoking. So, if we want to smoke one of our own cigars that was not purchased at the local B&M, be sure to ask the owner if you can smoke your own while in the store PROVIDED you buy something (preferably cigars) while you are there. If the owner says NO, follow the rules. If he allows you to smoke one of your own on his premises, keep quiet about it. Once you take the label off, roll it up and put it in a waste basket, no one will know what you're smoking unless you tell them. How do those of you that work/own a B&M feel about that? Cheers, Mike T.

03-07-2011, 11:06 PM	#7
Miket156 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? Silound: I read your entire post and it sounds more than reasonable to me. Of course, you are expecting people to be courteous and considerate of others, that might be a stretch. I've never worked in a cigar shop but I have worked in retail for a number of years. People can be rude. Something else comes to mind when shopping in a B&M. Don't come in empty handed. I bring my own Butane lighter and my own cutter. Whenever I go in there and want to smoke a cigar, I buy at least one or more of what they have in stock. The last time I went to a well stocked B&M (back home during the holidays) I was like a kid in a candy store. Me and my nephew were cruising the inventory and an employee came over and asked if he could be of assistance. I said yes and started asking him about different smokes he had in stock. Then he asked me what i usually smoked (what cigars I have appreciated) and then he made a few suggestions, like "Well, if you like that then you might also like this". Very cool. I took him up on several of his suggestions and ended up getting some great cigars that I didn't know anything about before I walked in the store. I spent about $65.00. My nephew bought some accessories too. Then we retired to the TV room and smoked a cigar. It was a very nice experience. We didn't get in the way and didn't annoy anyone. Both me and my nephew joined their "club" card membership and got on their email list. I wish that store was closer to where i live. As far as a cigar store employee being "young", if someone is working in a cigar store, then I have to assume he knows something about cigars. At my age (63) EVERYONE in the store is younger than me. I'm not reluctant to ask their opinion or a question. Sometimes they provide information on specials or box prices, shipping charges if I want to order when I get back home, etc. I try to be friendly and courteous. I don't walk on water but I try not to upset the apple cart, which is their place of business. Cheers, Mike T.

03-08-2011, 05:31 AM	#8
Tio Gato Uncle Kitty Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeff Location: Casa Grande, AZ Posts: 2,075 Trading: (11)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? It really frosts me when approaching a cigar store when there are cigar butts littered up and down the block near the store. Show some respect for the shop's owner and his neighbors. Also, don't park in another business's lot unless you have permission. A shop near me is in a historical neighborhood, lots of old homes and businesses. Next door is an insurance guy with three spots for customers. He's had to put up hundreds of dollars in signs to protect his little lot from inconsiderate B&M customers. The signs really detract from the historical beauty of the neighborhood. What gets me is that there are dozens of metered parking spots surrounding the place. Pay the quarter people! __________________ "You stink like cigars Uncle Kitty!" Said my Boo age 3. "Kid, take care of your family and the hell with anyone else" My Grandpa Bubba.

03-08-2011, 05:35 AM	#9
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? It can happen in minutes. Looks like they start with Padron Anny's. This couple is slick. When an employee comes in, the man distracts him while his wife stuffs her pocketbook. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNVL1nNaEgw __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

03-08-2011, 03:33 PM	#14
pektel I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Peter Location: Grand Rapids, MN Posts: 4,320 Trading: (28)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? I would think that's fair. Maybe they don't keep their humidor at your preferred RH. __________________ The problem is not the problem. The problem is your ATTITUDE about the problem.

03-08-2011, 04:16 PM	#15
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? I've done it a few times...What's going to keep them open if people just come in and don't buy but smoke their own stuff? I'll usually bring a 3 cigar holder and just swap one I bought with one I'm going to smoke. __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.

03-08-2011, 04:31 PM	#16
neoflex I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: John Location: Monroe, NC Posts: 2,765 Trading: (32)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? I hate the know it alls. You ask an employee about a stick and the know it all customer steps on him and proceeds to try and tell me everything he thinks he knows and than proceeds to tell me why I shouldn't smoke the stick I asked about but insists I try X, Y or Z instead because they are his favorite. These are usually the guys that live at the shop and even most of the staff can't tolerate them. __________________

03-09-2011, 12:21 PM	#18
RandJCigars JSR Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Jimmy Location: Friendswood Posts: 105 Trading: (3)	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? This is a great Topic. My experiences are similar to all of yours. The price thing is what gets me the most. Here in Texas, cigar taxes are at a minimum (1.1 cents per stick), which allows me to be quite competitive with everyone....including all the online giants. To be honest with you, their prices aren't that great when it comes to box pricing and single stick pricing. I got that covered easily. It's the sampler packages that I have to explain to customers. From time to time, I get a gentleman coming in carrying a catalog from one of the Online Giants, and he whips it open and points to a particular package. What most of these guys are looking at is stick Quantity, not quality. They'll be pointing at a sampler that has 25 sticks for $30 and all the sticks in there are garbage. Or even the samplers that include some decent sticks, but mixed in there are 5 Vegas and Padilla "Hybrid". Most of us retailers know, from being in the business, that these gimmicks work very well. It just gets old explaining that 5 Vegas is just some garbage CI came out with, or Rocky Patel "Connecticut" is not the same as Rocky Patel Vintage 99'. Once these customers are educated, I feel they appreciate the honesty and the lesson. Down here in Houston, it rains alot. Well in the shopping center I am in, there is a flower bed in front of the store. On a rainy day, I cannot count how many times people park curb side....run through the muddy flower bed....come inside the store for 1 cigar....hand me their soaking wet money...and run out as if their shoe prints aren't all over the tile. Really bugs me... The cell phone thing isn't an issue for me here, people just seem to recognize that their conversations should be kept to theirselves outside before they come in. Another big one for me, is what another member mentioned above. Someone will come in, and look for 10 minutes at everything you have, and pick the one thing you don't carry (vitola wise) and blurt out "Oh you don't have Macanudo XYZ!?" when there is like 9 different sizes of Macanudo on the shelf. I find it kind of interesting though, because when I call them out on their bluff, they usually man up and buy something realizing that they just made an ass out of theirselves in front of (usually) 5-6 guys sitting down and smoking. There are those, however, that come in and ask for certain things from the "Big 5" I call it (Cohiba, Montecristo, Macanudo, Punch, and Romeo) but are highly acceptable to suggestions of a better stick and better value for the same price range. Those are the customers that come in the next time and usually Thank me for "opening my eyes". Let's keep this topic going, its always interesting to hear what other retailers have to say about their day to day experiences in their stores. __________________ R & J Cigars - JSR Cigar Distributors, LLC 713-340-2428

03-09-2011, 02:24 PM	#20
Bad Finger Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Advice for B&M customers anyone? 1. If you are going to be touching sticks, wash your hands 2. Don't over-handle the sticks. People like those oils on their stogies, not on your hands 3. Introduce yourself to the proprietor. A little friendliness goes a long way 4. If you are new to the shop, but not to cigars, maybe bringing in one of your fav or special sticks to give the shop owner might be a good way of introducing yourself. 5. Don't be a dick. If you are being pushy, overbearing, or just rude...expect rudeness back. 6. Don't ask for Cubans. Haven't had them since 51.