Honest iTrader ratings

mikeyj23 · 04-12-2009, 06:43 AM

Please give honest iTrader ratings after trading with someone. The system is in place so we can feel comfortable sending packages to people with whom we've never interacted. If I look on someone's rating page and see that they have 10 positive trades, then I should be able to assume that they're a responsible trader.

A negative rating certainly throws a red flag, but isn't that the point? That red flag could keep someone after you from having an equally negative experience. We've all seen the dog owners who start coddling and petting their dog after it does something bad; the dog will absolutely behave the same way again. If someone does a poor job on their end of a trade but still gets a positive rating with a cutesy comment, they certainly won't think twice about doing the exact same thing the next time.

I'm not the one to define what justifies a neutral or negative feedback rating, but I would hope that a positive rating represents such things as:

Meaningful, prompt communication
Honesty
Being upfront about shipping times
DC#s
Safe packaging
Equitable trading
Willingness to work things out if the other party is anything less than happy

I hope those that I've traded with have left honest ratings and comments. If not, I ask that you PM me and we can work things out.

A neutral or negative rating doesn't prohibit someone from trading, it's simply a heads up or warning for future traders. Please don't be afraid to use it if it's necessary, and definitely if there are any questions about it PM a moderator.

Tenor CS · 04-12-2009, 07:12 AM

I have also found it helpful to politely ask for references if their trading background is non-existent or minimal. I only have 1 trade on here, and I only had 3 at CS. However, I feel that a bunch of the guys on here, who I have met/herf'd with in person, could throw out a quick "Tenor CS is a stand-up guy" that could ease a trader/seller's uncertainties.

I have seen this happen in other threads where guys who were new to the forum, but not necessarily to the cigar world, were posting WTS threads after less than 10 posts. Usually, these were friends of established members, who could then vouch for them.

Tenor CS · 04-13-2009, 10:05 AM

Bump for MikeyJ23. Since I responded so quickly, I think this important post got bumped off the first page and lost in the shuffle.

PeteSB75 · 04-13-2009, 10:10 AM

I'd also add an additional point. If you have a positive trading experience, leave trader feedback. If you have a negative experience, leave trader feedback. If you get cigars from a PIF or a MAW thread, leave trader feedback. If you buy or sell cigars in the WTB, WTS forums, leave trader feedback.

Seeing a trend here?

Let everyone else on the forum know that things went well. If they didn't send a PM and, if there is no response, then leave feedback, negative or neutral.

Tenor CS · 04-13-2009, 10:17 AM

And although iTrader should not be used for bombs, I always make a point of thanking someone who bombed me, either in person, via PM, or via a visitor message on their profile page. And if you have pics, by all means, post a thread. It's always fun to see the generosity of our members.

04-13-2009, 10:18 AM

Thanks for the reminder just caught up a few trades that I had done

SmokeyJoe · 04-13-2009, 10:32 AM

Hey Michael... sounds like you had a bad experience. Did somebody here burn you?

Skywalker · 04-13-2009, 10:35 AM

Right is right!!!

Thanks MikeyJ23 for saying what needed to be said!!!

pnoon · 04-13-2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

Hey Michael... sounds like you had a bad experience. Did somebody here burn you?

Joe - I might suggest you look at Trader Feedback. Aside from that, any "discussion" should be done via PM.

Thanks.

rizzle · 04-13-2009, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

Hey Michael... sounds like you had a bad experience. Did somebody here burn you?

My thoughts exactly.

DBall · 04-13-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenor CS

And although iTrader should not be used for bombs, I always make a point of thanking someone who bombed me, either in person, via PM, or via a visitor message on their profile page. And if you have pics, by all means, post a thread. It's always fun to see the generosity of our members.

Da Klugs · 04-13-2009, 10:59 AM

There are situations where you are forced to give negative feedback to a trader based upon their actions. Please do as it helps protect the entire community. There are rare situations when unwarranted retaliatory feedback is given back based upon your doing the right thing and posting negative feedback. Unwarranted retaliatory trader feedback will be removed by the admins upon request.

JJG · 04-13-2009, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

Hey Michael... sounds like you had a bad experience. Did somebody here burn you?

more like a few of us started talking and found out we all had the same experience. I'll just leave it at that.

but Mikey has brought up an important point. I'm sure that most everyone here has had nothing but positive trading experiences. however, if a transaction doesn't go as planned and can't be resolved via PM, it's important to leave honest feedback so others don't run into the same issue.

HK3- · 04-13-2009, 12:00 PM

Hi five for this post Mikey!

Skywalker · 04-13-2009, 01:12 PM

This brings up another question:

Is it possible to change positive trader feedback to negative or neutral, once it has been given???

SmokeyJoe · 04-13-2009, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon

Joe - I might suggest you look at Trader Feedback. Aside from that, any "discussion" should be done via PM.

Thanks.

Thanks, Peter. I really wasn't looking to "out" anybody. My response was more one of surprise. I have been very fortunate I guess with my dealings here - and in our former home.

I know this little community is something of a microcosm of our society - but I have to say, there does seem to be a difference in the type of people I run into here - in a positive way.

You are an example of that, pnoon. Thanks for your excellent mod work.

shadow king · 04-13-2009, 05:04 PM

Thats sucks that everyone has a bad experience with the person involved. Without getting into specifics, I almost bought something off of the person but something just didn't feel right about it and I didn't pull the trigger. In hindsight, it was the right decision.

This is a very good thread to have. I think mikey deserves some rep bump for posting it!

floydp · 04-13-2009, 05:35 PM

Trader feedback is a very important tool here and don't hesitate to use it. Good or bad it could help the next SOTL/BOTL. If bad TF and then a pm to one of us and not a thread calling the person out. We don't do that here.

neoflex · 04-13-2009, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteSB75

I'd also add an additional point. If you have a positive trading experience, leave trader feedback. If you have a negative experience, leave trader feedback. If you get cigars from a PIF or a MAW thread, leave trader feedback. If you buy or sell cigars in the WTB, WTS forums, leave trader feedback.

Seeing a trend here?

Let everyone else on the forum know that things went well. If they didn't send a PM and, if there is no response, then leave feedback, negative or neutral.

+1, I have had trades go smooth and never got feedback. Feel awkward PMing about it as it should be left whether the trade etc was good, bad or indifferent. You shouldn't have to ask for it. Ohh well! Chict happens.

The Professor · 04-13-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skywalker

This brings up another question:

Is it possible to change positive trader feedback to negative or neutral, once it has been given???

Just out of curiosity, why would you need to do that (hypothetically)?

This makes me think it's important to say: *don't* leave feedback until your trade is complete.

For example, if you're a seller, don't leave feedback until you're paid. If you're trading, don't leave feedback until you receive your end.

04-12-2009, 06:43 AM	#1
mikeyj23 Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Michael Location: Texas Posts: 635 Trading: (10)	Honest iTrader ratings Please give honest iTrader ratings after trading with someone. The system is in place so we can feel comfortable sending packages to people with whom we've never interacted. If I look on someone's rating page and see that they have 10 positive trades, then I should be able to assume that they're a responsible trader. A negative rating certainly throws a red flag, but isn't that the point? That red flag could keep someone after you from having an equally negative experience. We've all seen the dog owners who start coddling and petting their dog after it does something bad; the dog will absolutely behave the same way again. If someone does a poor job on their end of a trade but still gets a positive rating with a cutesy comment, they certainly won't think twice about doing the exact same thing the next time. I'm not the one to define what justifies a neutral or negative feedback rating, but I would hope that a positive rating represents such things as: Meaningful, prompt communication Honesty Being upfront about shipping times DC#s Safe packaging Equitable trading Willingness to work things out if the other party is anything less than happy I hope those that I've traded with have left honest ratings and comments. If not, I ask that you PM me and we can work things out. A neutral or negative rating doesn't prohibit someone from trading, it's simply a heads up or warning for future traders. Please don't be afraid to use it if it's necessary, and definitely if there are any questions about it PM a moderator.

04-12-2009, 07:12 AM	#2
Tenor CS Feeling Better! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Christian Location: Davenport, FL (near Orlando) Posts: 717 Trading: (2)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings I have also found it helpful to politely ask for references if their trading background is non-existent or minimal. I only have 1 trade on here, and I only had 3 at CS. However, I feel that a bunch of the guys on here, who I have met/herf'd with in person, could throw out a quick "Tenor CS is a stand-up guy" that could ease a trader/seller's uncertainties. I have seen this happen in other threads where guys who were new to the forum, but not necessarily to the cigar world, were posting WTS threads after less than 10 posts. Usually, these were friends of established members, who could then vouch for them. __________________ When the world itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies?

04-13-2009, 10:05 AM	#3
Tenor CS Feeling Better! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Christian Location: Davenport, FL (near Orlando) Posts: 717 Trading: (2)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings Bump for MikeyJ23. Since I responded so quickly, I think this important post got bumped off the first page and lost in the shuffle. __________________ When the world itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies?

04-13-2009, 10:10 AM	#4
PeteSB75 Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: CT Posts: 1,674 Trading: (18)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings I'd also add an additional point. If you have a positive trading experience, leave trader feedback. If you have a negative experience, leave trader feedback. If you get cigars from a PIF or a MAW thread, leave trader feedback. If you buy or sell cigars in the WTB, WTS forums, leave trader feedback. Seeing a trend here? Let everyone else on the forum know that things went well. If they didn't send a PM and, if there is no response, then leave feedback, negative or neutral. __________________ Formerly Malik23

04-13-2009, 10:17 AM	#5
Tenor CS Feeling Better! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Christian Location: Davenport, FL (near Orlando) Posts: 717 Trading: (2)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings And although iTrader should not be used for bombs, I always make a point of thanking someone who bombed me, either in person, via PM, or via a visitor message on their profile page. And if you have pics, by all means, post a thread. It's always fun to see the generosity of our members. __________________ When the world itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies?

04-13-2009, 10:18 AM	#6
SilverFox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Honest iTrader ratings Thanks for the reminder just caught up a few trades that I had done

04-13-2009, 10:32 AM	#7
SmokeyJoe Chief Wannastogie Lounge Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joe Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 3,163 Trading: (28)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings Hey Michael... sounds like you had a bad experience. Did somebody here burn you? __________________ "I intend to smoke a good cigar to the glory of God..." ~ Charles H. Spurgeon, British Baptist preacher

04-13-2009, 10:35 AM	#8
Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings Right is right!!! Thanks MikeyJ23 for saying what needed to be said!!! __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

04-13-2009, 10:59 AM	#12
Da Klugs Juan of 11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Right here Posts: 4,222 Trading: (8)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings There are situations where you are forced to give negative feedback to a trader based upon their actions. Please do as it helps protect the entire community. There are rare situations when unwarranted retaliatory feedback is given back based upon your doing the right thing and posting negative feedback. Unwarranted retaliatory trader feedback will be removed by the admins upon request. __________________ Communities Not Commodities. Punctuation challenged, but trying. Proud winner of phase 1 of the Weight loss contest

04-13-2009, 12:00 PM	#14
HK3- Cashmere Jungle Lord Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Boffa Location: The town so nice they named it twice Posts: 5,035 Trading: (48)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings Hi five for this post Mikey!

04-13-2009, 01:12 PM	#15
Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings This brings up another question: Is it possible to change positive trader feedback to negative or neutral, once it has been given??? __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

04-13-2009, 05:04 PM	#17
shadow king Fresh outta Ad Seg Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Matt Location: Last house on the left Posts: 466 Trading: (19)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings Thats sucks that everyone has a bad experience with the person involved. Without getting into specifics, I almost bought something off of the person but something just didn't feel right about it and I didn't pull the trigger. In hindsight, it was the right decision. This is a very good thread to have. I think mikey deserves some rep bump for posting it!

04-13-2009, 05:35 PM	#18
floydp Team of 11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Frank Location: Here behind my wall Posts: 939 Trading: (0)	Re: Honest iTrader ratings Trader feedback is a very important tool here and don't hesitate to use it. Good or bad it could help the next SOTL/BOTL. If bad TF and then a pm to one of us and not a thread calling the person out. We don't do that here. __________________ Waiting for the Worms to come.

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