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09-18-2009, 11:36 AM | #124 | |
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Wild seeing Theo Fleury back in the NHL...he scored the only shootout goal to win the game.
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09-18-2009, 11:43 AM | #125 | |
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What I don't like is that it seems now a days in the NHL even when there is a good hit(I don't think he left his feet) the other team feels the need to start a line brawl or go after the guy that laid the hit(coming of the bench WTF!!!). Back in the day the other team would have kept it in their back of their mind and used it to fire the team up and get even at a later point in time. |
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09-18-2009, 11:48 AM | #126 | |
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Matt, back in the day they may have done what you suggest...but WAY back in the day, there would have been a bench clearing brawl....happened about once a week in the 70s. Glad that the NHL has moved past that stage.
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09-18-2009, 11:56 AM | #127 | |
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09-18-2009, 12:07 PM | #128 |
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The kid's rep (596 PIMs last season in juniors) will not help.
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09-18-2009, 12:22 PM | #129 |
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09-18-2009, 12:25 PM | #130 | |
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Change this to Phenuf destroying some jr player and ending his chances to play in the pros in preseason in a meaningless game and maybe it looks different. Just another view. Yes it was a monster hit and a thing of beauty to watch. That said its not game 7, its a meaningless preseason game. OOOh and Tom I love the fact that theo is back. Love that little bastage. I always though he should have been nicknamed "the little ball of hate" not pat verbeek |
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09-18-2009, 01:21 PM | #131 | |
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"Running" a guy and a clean hit are two completely different things in my book and as far as I can see it was clean. If they are meaningless why play them? I think preseason games are there for the simple reason coaches want to see how guys on the cut off "bubble" handle a real game. What if one of the Junior guys puts a hit like that on someone? His stock would rise considerably in the coach's eyes. And don't think for a second a young defensmen trying to earn a spot on a NHL roster wouldn't give his left nut to make a hit like that. I have always told my boys (both D men) to practice like you want to play. It's part of the game and every guy that pulls that sweater over his head knows it. Have a great weekend! |
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09-18-2009, 01:44 PM | #132 | |
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Okposo had his head down (dumb) and was carrying the puck. He took Phaneuf's shoulder in the noggin, Phaneuf didn't leave his fit, didn't charge it was all good. The bad part is someone getting hurt, if Okposo pops up and skates off this is a non issue no penalty on the hit, no further investigation by the league (so I am told). The bush part is several Islanders coming after him after a clean hit, I am so tired of half assed players running after every guy that hits a player cleanly (and yes even the flames are guilty of it ala Ollie fighting I don't remember who after Backlund got leveled cleanly). Hitting is part of the game, and a good clean hit should not be measured by the fact that a guy got hurt (he is ok by the way) no more than a dirty hit should be measured by lack of injury. Just my opinion.....................well that and Mike is wrong |
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09-18-2009, 01:52 PM | #133 | |
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You can run a guy in the course of the game and have it be clean and part of the game. Running a guy to us on the west coast comes from the phrase ran him over. That is what Phenuf did. He ran him over. The issue I was attempting to address is was that hit needed between two players who both have established spots on a squad? They dont play in the same division or even confrence. They may play once again this season, but likely not. There was no message to be sent for the regular season and the odds of them meeting in the post season are zero. The point of the hit was what? Nothing. It was Phenuf doing what Phenuf does. He injured a player which may have long term effects in a meaningless preseason game. By meaningless we both know I meant they do not count towards stats and chances at a cup which is the whole purpose why every regualr season game and playoff game is played. They are meaningless to stats and chances at a cup. Stuff like this is why many teams sit out certain players. They dont want or need as you pointed out some jr player trying to render a big hit on a star player to make a roster spot. As to practice like you play. I agree yo always practice and play hard. That said Al I cant find a reason why Phenuf needed to level the guy in a pre season game. He is not a bubble player. He is known for hunting players with their head down and laying them out. What purpose did the hit serve to the flames chances of winning a cup? Maybe you will argue that the hit will set the tone for the whole season. I am not buying that and that was not in Phenufs head when he made the hit. He saw a guy to level. He probablly saw him with his head down earlier in the game and figured if he would run him if he got the chance. Watching the replay he lined that dude up and destroyed him. It could have ended a lot worse for oposo. I am glad it appears it didnt. I hope he has no lingering effects that impact his season as a result. I know you like the hit. I guess we can agree to disagree. maybe in 12 years I will hold the same view on this. Currently I dont. |
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09-18-2009, 02:03 PM | #134 |
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I don't understand why you should back off in a pre-season game.
Do you think any player is running through his head, who is this guy?, will I face him again?, etc etc? Based on what your saying every hit should be weighed against a certain set of criteria that could/would change every game. These guys do this on instinct, guys like Stevens for example are better at it than most. |
09-18-2009, 02:45 PM | #135 |
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Couldn't agree with Al or Shawn more.
Play hard no matter what. What would the coaching staff/management say if they saw that same situation and Paneuf choose not to make the hit and Osposko gets through and a breakaway and scores. |
09-18-2009, 02:48 PM | #136 |
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And just as info around here running a guy is when he clearly does not have the puck you are a couple strides away and you still bury him.
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Man I love stirring the nest and watching you guys get all jacked up jumping over each other to get in the mix.
Shawn please re read my posts I never said it was dirty. In fact I repeatedly said it was a clean hit. I am saying it was bush cause I just dont get leveling a guy in a pre season game. We will all continue to argue about this. As I said before and am saying again this is one of the reasons teams sit out star players in preseason. There is no point to the game and why risk a star players injury in an meaningless game. Quote:
As to whats in the head. Al I have taken penalties as I am sure every poster here has on guys in rec league. If I can know who is on the ice and that they fugged with me or a teamate previously and I need to go say high and remind them we wont take it, then yes NHL players know. I am not a big guy or super faster nhl player. When I play I know damn well who is on the sheet when I step on because at that moment its my job. Quote:
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now as jim rome used to say. React to me. I hope no one is upset with me playing devils advocate. If so just let me know and I will stop. Micah starts minimites tomorrow and I am pretty jacked up about it. Down the road I go to financial ruin Al and I couldnt be happier. Looks like I wont be playing much anymore now cant afford it. |
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09-18-2009, 03:57 PM | #138 |
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This isn't the all star game its exhibition and iregardless It was clean...they are professionals...they know the risk.
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09-18-2009, 04:09 PM | #139 | |
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09-18-2009, 05:28 PM | #140 | |
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For what it's worth, Scott Burnside is questioning the "necessity" of the hit on ESPN.com as well.
EDIT...it is on "The Insider" (subscription based), so I posted it here. Quote:
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