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12-05-2011, 04:26 PM | #41 | |
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12-05-2011, 04:50 PM | #42 | ||
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12-05-2011, 04:58 PM | #43 | |
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If not for the BCS, there would be no BCS games....it would be back to the regional games, pitting conference champions, conference tie ins ect... Kind of like all the other bowls now.... But because Utah has been invited to the dance twice and won 2 BCS bowl games...that does not mean I don't think the system is broken. Utah is in the "haves" now....they're in the PAC12, I still think the system is broken. |
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12-05-2011, 05:11 PM | #44 |
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Rizzle, what is your response to the fact that Alabama had an easier road to their 1 loss record, that they played an easier schedule...?
It is unfortunate, because you are biased, but it would be interesting to see what your thoughts & all the SEC crowd's thoughts would be if the situation was reversed. If we were talking about USC and Oregon or Texas and Oklahoma in a rematch and Alabama or another SEC team with a loss to a 6-6 SEC team, but having played a tougher schedule. That SEC team having beat more ranked teams, won their conference Championship ect.. That mentioned loss being just days after the school lost 2 coaches in a horrific plane crash ect.... I wonder if your thoughts on the subject would be the same. See, that is where I think that my not having a dog in this hunt, but looking at this objectively(what I feel is objective?) and thinking I'm getting the shaft on seeing the "right game" for the BCS Championship. |
12-05-2011, 05:16 PM | #45 |
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You keep coming back to this as if it is somehow relevant, IMO it is not. I don't know who is better. I know they played....and one team won and one team lost and that is that....
I could not care less if the masses would say the better team didn't win the game....who cares? They played the game and there was a winner and a loser, you move on from there. As of Monday December 5, 2011 - LSU > Alabama |
12-05-2011, 06:21 PM | #46 | |
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As for your inference that I am being less than truthful, it's all there in the other thread to read. I told all of you that the better team won, many times over, and I proved it from my own perspective with facts. The only thing you could ever admit to was the final score. You acted as if the kicking game had no part in determining 'balance". I told you that we had superior depth in relevant positions, and you basically told me that I was deluded. And just as I replied and you quoted, talking about it to you Crimson people was an excercise in futility. Then some of you huffed and puffed and said I had ruined the thread, as if!...it's a discussion forum. The bama contingent just didn't want to 'discuss". They wanted to basically do what you did above, make statements like we had guys hurt, we weren't ready to play, we came out flat, etc. Not that you SAID these things this year, but it was the same mood. Denial of the facts. SURE, I admit that I made giant statements that were more easily digestible on one side of the discussion, like we are better balanced, we have faster players, etc. But in the end, did you guys WIN?? Nope. So no matter what it WAS in fact, there was a reason you lost. And I THINK you are going to lose again. Last edited by OLS; 12-05-2011 at 06:30 PM. |
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12-05-2011, 06:36 PM | #47 |
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And lest you paint me again as an argumentative child, I DO think bama and LSU are the two best teams, I have
seen it with my own eyes. I am just telling you that Bama is only number one in their fans eyes. LSU has the confidence of the masses. I KNOW, I know, we did not get all the votes. We got enough. |
12-05-2011, 06:50 PM | #49 |
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I also want to apologize for making your crimson fever out to be a disease. You can support your team
to whatever degree you find appropriate, you can cap on me to no end over my support for the Tigers or liken me to a child. It is all fine. I couldn't do this for a month while we wait to see the results. But I will do just what I did in the SEC thread weeks and weeks in advance, predict victory and likely be proven correct.......TWICE. Bwah-haha-ha-ha |
12-05-2011, 06:57 PM | #50 | |
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12-05-2011, 07:26 PM | #51 |
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In a playoff system
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12-05-2011, 07:35 PM | #53 | |
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Greg, would you care to try to objectively comment? I am really interested to hear an honest take on that from the 'Bama contingent....
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12-05-2011, 08:19 PM | #54 |
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Another fun little tid bit....
Seldom mentioned: Alabama, LSU still on probation Posted on December 5, 2011 by Eric Crawford In all of the adulation the two teams received during the leadup and rehash of their regular-season meeting, and now in the runup to their rematch in the BCS National Championship game, I haven’t heard anyone bring up this little reminder: Both LSU and Alabama are on probation. Somehow, it seems fitting to me that this scandal-filled year in college football should end with two teams on NCAA probation playing for the national title. It just fits. Also, Connecticut was on probation when it won the men’s basketball championship last spring. Nice. The term of LSU’s probation runs to July 18, 2012. From the AP story: The investigation found that former assistant coach D.J. McCarthy improperly arranged for transportation and housing for former defensive lineman Akiem Hicks in 2009 before later trying to cover up those actions. The NCAA accepted LSU’s self-imposed reduction of two scholarships during the 2010-11 academic year, as well as a 10 percent reduction in official visits and reductions in recruiting calls. LSU had already begun reducing official visits during 2010-11, but the NCAA expanded the punishment to include 2011-12. McCarthy resigned in 2009. Hicks never played for the Tigers before leaving the school. Alabama’s case was more serious and involved vacating victories from three seasons, but school officials were relieved that they didn’t incur further scholarship reductions. Alabama’s probation runs through June 10, 2012. From the AP: The violations include impermissible benefits obtained by 201 athletes through misuse of free textbooks. Alabama identified 22, including seven football players, as “intentional wrongdoers” who knew they were receiving improper benefits. The vacated football wins were from 2005 to 2007 in which those seven played. The victories were vacated, meaning the school may not acknowledge a win. Vacating a win is different from forfeiture, in which the loser claims the victory, according to The Birmingham News. No Alabama sport lost postseason eligibility or scholarships. LSU infraction report - http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13231377463031 Alabama infraction report - http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13231377672062 http://blogs.courier-journal.com/eri...-on-probation/ |
12-05-2011, 08:38 PM | #55 |
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E.J.: I Am Truly Sorry For Oklahoma's Loss On The Plane Crash; I Do Feel It Affected Their Play. Alabama's Deep Snapper Lost His GF To The Tornado That Tore Tuscaloosa Apart, But He & The Entire Team Played A FB Game The Next Week & Won. I Realize The Only True Way To Determine A Champion May Be A Playoff System. Even Then, It Would Be Two Games Per Team & What Would That Prove? I Think A Team 's Performance Over An Entire Year Is More Relevant. The "Existing" System In The BCS Seeks To Place The Top Two Teams Against Each Other & Most Experts Agree This Year Those Teams Are LSU & BAMA.
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12-05-2011, 08:42 PM | #56 | |
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In principle I have long been in the opinion that a conference championship (and really having to play a conference title game) should be a prerequisite for going to the national title. But I think this year is an exception. As Richie says, its extremely unlikely that the two best teams will go from the same division of the same conference. Look at the '08 and '09 SEC title game. I firmly believe that Alabama would have beaten Oklahoma in '08 had they beat Florida and that Florida would have beaten Texas in '09 had we beat Alabama in Atlanta. If we had a playoff system, I think you'd see a lot more national title rematches from SEC schools I was actually hoping that LSU would get a loss before the SEC title game to Arkansas so that everyone would have 1 loss and the BCS computers would implode and hasten the path to a playoff. It's bond to happen one year that there is no undefeated team worthy to play in the title game and we're all left w/valid opinions as to which two loss teams deserves the shot
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12-05-2011, 08:44 PM | #57 |
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Ain't that the truth, Meyer left us in a pile of sh*t
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12-06-2011, 07:45 AM | #58 |
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Ever the honest broker, Michael, lol. That's what I always tell the intransigent bama fans, back when I used to give you and others a hard time about UF, you took it like a realistic person who understood that it's all relative, a viable world exists outside your team-view. Of course I did NOT get too much understanding over my thoughts about Tebow, but if you check the archives, I was right (as usual) in that I said God I hate Tebow, BUT I think that he will still be successful in the pros. People who dog Tebow for religious showmanship usually also say he will never amount to anything in the NFL. I knew that couldn't be. It is still an open question but as long as the team around him supports his efforts, they seem to be capable of winning games. I think it's great that he has taken a big step to shutting up a lot of people. I saw him once at the two yard line throw a back- shoulder BULLET to the front corner of the endzone for a TD once against us and I thought 'say what you will about his motion but the boy can make the hard throws with accuracy.' What were we talking about again? |
12-06-2011, 08:01 AM | #59 | |
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that said basically, "look, here are the teams that bama and OKST played, and here is their ranking AT THAT TIME, blablabla..." and my first thought was, wait, you would put early season rankings up as (partial) proof of the solidity of a team? It's A WAY of doing it, but it's not a GOOD way. Everyone knows pre-season rankings aren't worth the paper they're printed on, and anything prior to week 4-5 is nearly useless. So I found that particular argument weak, but it might certainly help this person make a point, just not what I would call a good point. So I do agree that the season as a whole is a better arbiter than a playoff to a point. But when others make their case with numbers that were a fantasy back when, I do not agree that they make a slam dunk case for slotting team A ahead of team B at the end. I need to go back and look at those numbers. Well I don't need to, this deal is done now by the oracles of the BCS and my team is in, so...... I would be willing to bet that if you looked at wins against top 25 teams in the final standings, one team would be clearly on top. People might say, 'well no, we had injuries or this happened or that occurred, but that is why you have depth, to surmount those issues. BETTER teams have BETTER depth, so that is not valid to me, nor are untimely deaths for that matter. That kind of stuff happens and has to be left out of the argument. That may well BE why OK St. lost, but it's not neccessarily valid here, in my book. I DO understand it was only brought up as an afterthought, I'm not saying this was ever thrown up as an excuse. Now, off to check the numbers, lol. |
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12-06-2011, 08:22 AM | #60 |
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Yep, judgin by the final AP top 25 rankings, it's a tie, basically.
Bama has 2 wins, OK St has 4 Bama's combined rankings of their 2 equal 32..divided by 2 is 15.5 OK St. combined rankings of their 4 equal 69..divided by 4 is 17.25 So bama has wins over higher average ranked opponents, OK state has more actual wins against top 25 teams. Considering the arguments being made here and there, this element is kind of telling and kind of useless. It shows that OK St. did in fact play a higher ranked schedule, but bama did demolish their foes rather convincingly and had no business screwing the pooch in front of their own fans. When it came down to it, it WAS style points, after all. That was not supposed to be a factor...hmm. It is sad to me because UA and LSU fans are going to be glued to the screens. But after waiting 5 weeks for the show, I think very few outsiders will care to watch. Some might, who knows. I say OK State deserved the chance to play LSU. |
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