People never cease to amaze me

[taltos]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

and God Bless the Sheepdogs....


A few fellas here might understand that.






Proud to be one.

Someone needs to get between the sheep and the wolves.

[G G]

I aint trying to stir up nothing by posting my thoughts here at all. I think some of the difference is the area of the country that we were raised in. What I mean is this:

I have been to Massachusett's to visit family since 2000. I hadn't travelled outside of the south til then. I was in awe of how different the people's politics, and their philosophy on things were greatly different than mine. Not that I am saying that' s a bad thing in itself it was just a wake up for me. I mean to a rural raised NE Florida boy who believes in the absolute right to keep and bear arms, lots of my family members from New England (I believe because of a different and more liberal upbringing) didn't really believe it's your right to keep and bear arms so much. I mean most of them hunt and that's ok, but it seemed to me that they kinda view home protection as something else altogether. Please don't take it that this is a political statement, cause it aint intended to be, just saying that we are a product of our upbringing to a great degree. NE Florida is really almost ultra conservative and New England is more liberal in their beliefs, and that was like I said earlier almost a rude awakening for me. Just my observations.

[MarkinAZ]

Originally Posted by ggainey

I aint trying to stir up nothing by posting my thoughts here at all.

Pot stir'er

[G G]

Originally Posted by MarkinCA

Pot stir'er

Love everyone except you Mark. Dookie head.


Nah I guess i do love you anyway.

[G G]

Originally Posted by ggainey

Love everyone except you Mark. Dookie head.


Nah I guess i do love you anyway.

Plus I gave you a rep bump cause the good book says to treat others as I would like to be treated.

[MarkinAZ]

Originally Posted by ggainey

Love everyone except you Mark. Dookie head.


Nah I guess i do love you anyway.

Originally Posted by ggainey

Plus I gave you a rep bump cause the good book says to treat others as I would like to be treated.

Just too much love on this train, but I don't want to make Gary jealous, you know...

[G G]

Also just for the record I am not picking on Massachusett's, but that's where family lives, and my experience in "The North" On the flip side I was also surprised how much the cigar smokers in the north are much more conservative than the average northerners. Also my personal observations, I don't have any empirical data to back any of this up. Oh yeah, I love all of you.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by ggainey

Also just for the record I am not picking on Massachusett's, but that's where family lives, and my experience in "The North" On the flip side I was also surprised how much the cigar smokers in the north are much more conservative than the average northerners. Also my personal observations, I don't have any empirical data to back any of this up. Oh yeah, I love all of you.

Hey, love you too.

One thing the two of us know for sure, we would help each other out.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by ggainey

Also just for the record I am not picking on Massachusett's, but that's where family lives, and my experience in "The North" On the flip side I was also surprised how much the cigar smokers in the north are much more conservative than the average northerners. Also my personal observations, I don't have any empirical data to back any of this up. Oh yeah, I love all of you.

Hi Greg,

I'm not having an easy time trying to convey my views on this, so I'll try again:
I believe in the Second Amendment.
I believe in the Divine right to self defense.
I believe that we, as a society and as individuals, should look after our neighbors and all innocents. Bad guys can all fry.
I will risk my safety and life to protect innocent life.
I will not risk my safety or life to protect the PROPERTY of others, but I will do all I can up to that point.
As for Carlos' neighbors, all I'm saying is, they MAY OR MAY NOT be a-holes, but without KNOWING what they did, it's like judging a beauty contest in the dark.
I have been a sheepdog my whole adult life from my 4 years as a Torpedoman's Mate on a submarine playing tag with "Ivan" to my 22 years as a Security Officer. I have put myself in harm's way for others.

AND:

[G G]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Hi Greg,

I'm not having an easy time trying to convey my views on this, so I'll try again:
I believe in the Second Amendment.
I believe in the Divine right to self defense.
I believe that we, as a society and as individuals, should look after our neighbors and all innocents. Bad guys can all fry.
I will risk my safety and life to protect innocent life.
I will not risk my safety or life to protect the PROPERTY of others, but I will do all I can up to that point.
As for Carlos' neighbors, all I'm saying is, they MAY OR MAY NOT be a-holes, but without KNOWING what they did, it's like judging a beauty contest in the dark.
I have been a sheepdog my whole adult life from my 4 years as a Torpedoman's Mate on a submarine playing tag with "Ivan" to my 22 years as a Security Officer. I have put myself in harm's way for others.

AND:

Darren, I almost didn't post all that just cause I was afraid you would take it the wrong way. My main point is how different parts of the country was raised way different and we tend to look at things as if we were in a fishbowl, that is judged against our own life experiences. Thanks for being gracious, and I shouldn't have been scared you would take it the wrong way, cause I know we could have talked it out. I can go with you maybe on the property protection, cause even in Florida we have the right to use deadly force to stop or prevent a "Forcible Felony" and property protection according to the Florida guru of gun law (Jon Gutmacher) prolly wouldn't work too good. Carlos, I would def help. I had a police friend of mine tell me one time that if I ever saw him getting wailed on and I didn't stop to help, he would either kill me or haunt me according to the outcome. So I guess it's a personal decision but for me (and Darren) and the others it isn't a hard decision as it is prolly built into us to get involved and help our fellow man when needed.

[Subvet642]

I guess I wasn't communicating very well. There are more people like you up here than most people would guess; we usually have to keep our views to ourselves.

[G G]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

I guess I wasn't communicating very well. There are more people like you up here than most people would guess; we usually have to keep our views to ourselves.

Trust me I know, they'd run you outta town if they knew.

I know that the South aint got no corner on Patriots, we can be found from sea to shining sea bro.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

As for Carlos' neighbors, all I'm saying is, they MAY OR MAY NOT be a-holes, but without KNOWING what they did, it's like judging a beauty contest in the dark.

Well, being the inquisitive butt head that I am, I ran into my next door dingbat yesterday and just saw the one across the street, next door to the one that came out.

I asked both the same question. "Hey, the other day, did you hear my alarm going off in the middle of the day?".

Their responses were almost mirror images of one another. Almost as if the responses came from one mind and not two.

Here is what they said.
"Yeah, we heard it. Didn't know it was yours. Figured it was a false alarm."

I then asked, why would you figure it was a false alarm v. a real, actual alarm?
They similarly said most are false.

I then asked what if it had been my alarm going off due to my smoke detector which is part of my monitored alarm system?
What if my pet was all alone and could have been saved by the fire? What if I had a heart attack and was passed out? What if I was consumed by smoke? What if it was my wife?
Neither considered that.

So, according to my neighbors, 3 of the 7, one worried about me and was concerned enough to look outside to see what was going on. That didn't involve risking his life in any way as evidenced by the fact he is still alive, well and not harmed in any way.
Two others wrote it off as a false alarm, not having any way of knowing the difference between a false one and a real one.

Mind you, the one next door travels often. Who do you think she asks to look out for her home as they have tried to break in a couple of times already?
Yeah, the guy with the freaking false alarm that instead we will just ignore it.
Good luck to her next time she needs me to look out for her home.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Well, being the inquisitive butt head that I am, I ran into my next door dingbat yesterday and just saw the one across the street, next door to the one that came out.

I asked both the same question. "Hey, the other day, did you hear my alarm going off in the middle of the day?".

Their responses were almost mirror images of one another. Almost as if the responses came from one mind and not two.

Here is what they said.
"Yeah, we heard it. Didn't know it was yours. Figured it was a false alarm."

I then asked, why would you figure it was a false alarm v. a real, actual alarm?
They similarly said most are false.

I then asked what if it had been my alarm going off due to my smoke detector which is part of my monitored alarm system?
What if my pet was all alone and could have been saved by the fire? What if I had a heart attack and was passed out? What if I was consumed by smoke? What if it was my wife?
Neither considered that.

So, according to my neighbors, 3 of the 7, one worried about me and was concerned enough to look outside to see what was going on. That didn't involve risking his life in any way as evidenced by the fact he is still alive, well and not harmed in any way.
Two others wrote it off as a false alarm, not having any way of knowing the difference between a false one and a real one.

Mind you, the one next door travels often. Who do you think she asks to look out for her home as they have tried to break in a couple of times already?
Yeah, the guy with the freaking false alarm that instead we will just ignore it.
Good luck to her next time she needs me to look out for her home.

It looks like you do, indeed, have some asswipe neighbors, and you know which ones they are, and knowing is a lot better than guessing.

[G G]

Oh yeah, i think it's absolutely insane that when I travel to Massachusett's I have to leave my guns at home, or lock it up blah blah blah so it can't be used, or face years in prison in some of the states up there. So I have to give up my constitutional right to keep and bear arms to travel to parts of the USA. Nutty to say the least, but I digress.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by ggainey

Oh yeah, i think it's absolutely insane that when I travel to Massachusett's I have to leave my guns at home, or lock it up blah blah blah so it can't be used, or face years in prison in some of the states up there. So I have to give up my constitutional right to keep and bear arms to travel to parts of the USA. Nutty to say the least, but I digress.

A recent Supreme Court decision may change all that. IIRC, in a case involving a DC ban on pistols, the Justices ruled that gun bans are un-Constitutional.

[G G]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

A recent Supreme Court decision may change all that. IIRC, in a case involving a DC ban on pistols, the Justices ruled that gun bans are un-Constitutional.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

[neoflex]

That sucks. Sadly I am sure you are a good person by a fault like myself and even though your pissed you will still keep an eye out on their home while they are away. There is a reason why the saying "Good guys finish last" exists.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by neoflex

even though your pissed you will still keep an eye out on their home while they are away.

Yeah, I know.
I think that is what has me yet more pissed.

Something I forgot to mention that I think is important.
This was the first time I have heard an alarm in my neighborhood in at least a year or two.
As far as my house goes, this is the first time it has gone off since the last test that was done about three years ago.

[darkleeroy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

That was almost 50 years ago.

But, on the plus note, I make sure to always go out and see what's going on when I hear an alarm.