Starting to like wine...the Red version

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

A good general rule (feel free to argue) - Don't buy a red wine over 14.1% alcohol unless it's a CdP. Yes, Zin's are an exception, but don't buy over 14.5%.

To put this in perspective, the world's most expensive and coveted wines are 13.5% and under. Many around 12%

There are exceptions, I'd like to note. For instance, perhaps the smoothest, most refined and "cultured" wines I've ever had is Mollydooker The Boxer Shiraz, which is not outrageous at under $30/bottle. Yet it is an outrageous 16% alcohol. Talk about sneaking up on a guy - yowzer!

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by The Poet

There are exceptions, I'd like to note. For instance, perhaps the smoothest, most refined and "cultured" wines I've ever had is Mollydooker The Boxer Shiraz, which is not outrageous at under $30/bottle. Yet it is an outrageous 16% alcohol. Talk about sneaking up on a guy - yowzer!

I am not even going to comment on that one... I would not consider it cultured or refined at all, but that is what is fun about wine; there are many opinions and different tastes.

What are your other favorite wines or daily drinkers?

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

I am not even going to comment on that one... I would not consider it cultured or refined at all, but that is what is fun about wine; there are many opinions and different tastes.

What are your other favorite wines or daily drinkers?

Go ahead and comment, as I'd like to hear your opinion, despite the fact that it apparently disagrees not only to my own, but also to every customer to whom I have sold this particular wine . . . to be more specific, the 2007 vintage. Shoot, I'll even sell YOU a case or three, if you like.

As for my other faves . . . well, to be honest, I'll drink dang near anything. Hey, after you get the first glass or three down, what's the freakin' diff?

[Ratters]

Originally Posted by SilverFox

Riddick I am curious as to why you are so venomous in this thread. While I agree with your opinions on Australian wines in general I think your delivery is hostile and aggressive.

He's not hostile or aggressive, he's Russian. Different, but may appear similar.

I don't drink wine, but fall in the drink it if you like it corner. Don't rule out Chiantis either, many poo poo them, but the Italian in me tells you to give it a try. And yeah, hit up Trader Joe's, they often have really good prices on different wines. I don't drink the stuff, but I still have to buy it for the fiance.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Go ahead and comment, as I'd like to hear your opinion, despite the fact that it apparently disagrees not only to my own, but also to every customer to whom I have sold this particular wine . . .

Austrailian wine in general tastes too manipulated either by too much extraction, high alcohol, and almost all lack any terrior. They taste like concocted wine syrup. Mollydooker really typifies this new world style- which I am not a fan of. I am not singling out Mollydooker specifically, but lump it into with other Aussies like Thorne Clarke and Ball Buster…

My favorite Aussie and one I would point customers to is Torbreck’s “Woodcutter’s Reserve” Shiraz. Actually, Torbreck I would put on the top for mass produced Aussie wine.

Is Bud Light more acceptable as a beer just because it is outselling Anchor, Dogfish, and Dale’s? Certainly it is more acceptable to the bottom line of the balance sheet, but not as a fine beer.

You may sell more Wild Irish Rose than Petrus, but it does not legitimate Wild Irish Rose a contender in best wine prize.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by Ratters

He's not hostile or aggressive, he's Russian. Different, but may appear similar.

Riddick isn't being hostile, passionate maybe but not hostile, he's just giving some technical information on wines, which is something he knows a hell of a lot about, and sometimes posts appear to come across a bit differently than intended.

I just take Greg's suggestions on wines, he's never steered me wrong yet.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Austrailian wine in general tastes too manipulated either by too much extraction, high alcohol, and almost all lack any terrior. They taste like concocted wine syrup. Mollydooker really typifies this new world style- which I am not a fan of. I am not singling out Mollydooker specifically, but lump it into with other Aussies like Thorne Clarke and Ball Buster…

My favorite Aussie and one I would point customers to is Torbreck’s “Woodcutter’s Reserve” Shiraz. Actually, Torbreck I would put on the top for mass produced Aussie wine.

Is Bud Light more acceptable as a beer just because it is outselling Anchor, Dogfish, and Dale’s? Certainly it is more acceptable to the bottom line of the balance sheet, but not as a fine beer.

You may sell more Wild Irish Rose than Petrus, but it does not legitimate Wild Irish Rose a contender in best wine prize.

Moses, it doesn't look we're getting through, seems like for some people here buying wine based on some arbitrary point score in a wine rag is good enough (do they buy cigars same way?).

I keep saying same thing you are about manipulation of wine in OZ, via huge expenditures into chem labs, and no, no one believes even though there is plenty of factual info available if one wants to explore (or is in business like I am and has to know what the competitors are up to). OX wineries are not shy about it, Yellow Tail is the prime example.

Inability of even seasoned palates to ID wines in a blind tastings consistently is a well documented fact by now yet it seems we now have 2 for 2 (second person in two weeks) claiming can easily do so. Even Parker makes mistakes in blind tastings he himself sets up and yet we have posters here who can. I guess they also have a nice bridge collection by now, too.

Recommending wines that do not even exist ("You Lie!") and then throwing a hissy fit when called on it.

So, I am attacked on the 3 points above, call the obvious bluff and chest beating, and then attacked some more in response. ("Gold, Jerry, it's gold!")

FUNNY...
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Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus?

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus?

I have no idea, but I would guess 12%?

[rlmedic]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Moses, it doesn't look we're getting through, seems like for some people here buying wine based on some arbitrary point score in a wine rag is good enough (do they buy cigars same way?).

I keep saying same thing you are about manipulation of wine in OZ, via huge expenditures into chem labs, and no, no one believes even though there is plenty of factual info available if one wants to explore (or is in business like I am and has to know what the competitors are up to). OX wineries are not shy about it, Yellow Tail is the prime example.

Inability of even seasoned palates to ID wines in a blind tastings consistently is a well documented fact by now yet it seems we now have 2 for 2 (second person in two weeks) claiming can easily do so. Even Parker makes mistakes in blind tastings he himself sets up and yet we have posters here who can. I guess they also have a nice bridge collection by now, too.

Recommending wines that do not even exist ("You Lie!") and then throwing a hissy fit when called on it.

So, I am attacked on the 3 points above, call the obvious bluff and chest beating, and then attacked some more in response. ("Gold, Jerry, it's gold!")

FUNNY...
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Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus?

Riddick,

Again I will ask what wine I recomended that does not exist?
Also you keep harping on the blind tasting....all wine of the same varietal that is from different areas, called AVA's, have distinct differences in taste. That is why I stated its like comparing apples and oranges.


Why not relax and smoke a cigar and mellow out

[replicant_argent]

Ahem... The op didn't ask for advice on how to be an Amateur Sommelier or quite a bit more of chest puffing and ball busting going on in this thread. As far as the bud light analogy? Some people like it, (not me, but I digress) and it fits their budget, and it makes them happy. No reason to look down your nose at them or pooh pooh how it is produced. I think the advice of trying many different varietals and specific bottle or producer suggestions are what Kirk may have been looking for here, rather than treatises on production values and hackle raising finger pointing.
I give a brother on here crap all the time about his Miller lite fetish, but he knows it comes as good-natured ribbing and gives it back just as well. This thread is not that.

[Chris.]

Why not try some Madeira or Port wines? I love both!

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by Chris.

Why not try some Madeira or Port wines? I love both!

Yum! Make sure the Madeira is over ten years old.

[hornitosmonster]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Tell you what, since no one is listening.

Start the PIF. Let me know how far you get

I just had two bottles of Westy 12 shipped from the country of origin. Arrived nice and safe. I belong to another board and they have a dedicated section for trading beers.

And I wonder how wine of the months clubs do it

[Sauer Grapes]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Well, its like saying I like Maduro, Corojo, Criollo, etc. Any more specifics as to what you're actually drinking?

As for PIF and such, consumers are not allowed to ship wine. Sorry for bad news.

Not exactly true. It depends on the laws of the state for both the sender and the receiver. Also, it cant's go USPS, but FedEx or UPS are fine as long as the state laws OK it. It is illegal in some states.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

As far as the bud light analogy? Some people like it, (not me, but I digress) and it fits their budget, and it makes them happy. No reason to look down your nose at them or pooh pooh how it is produced.

Would have to disagree with this. Just because it makes them happy and fits their budget does not mean it's a good wine (or beer). There are plenty of honest wines with real character at every price point.

One does not have to drink "Bud Light" wine just because they have a limited budget.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by hornitosmonster

I just had two bottles of Westy 12 shipped from the country of origin. Arrived nice and safe. I belong to another board and they have a dedicated section for trading beers.

And I wonder how wine of the months clubs do it

Clubs are LICENSED retail outlets with no B&M presence. The keyword, for those still not listening, is LICENSED, same as your corner wine shop.

This is getting tiring. With so many doubters and experts, I did recommend someone start a PIF. I meant it. Let me know how far you guys get, that is ALL I AM ASKING.

We'll discuss results at a later date. I'll just give a hint, use cheapest wine available so that you do not lose much in the process.

PS. Ask Bobarian what company he works for, then ask yourself why such a company is in business if wine is easy to ship.

PPS. Start the PIF.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by rlmedic

Again I will ask what wine I recomended that does not exist?

For the third time (looking back at the thread):

Joel Gott NAPA Cab

Stop playing games.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

I have no idea, but I would guess 12%?

Try 15.6%

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Try 15.6%

Holy Sh**!

Knowing how traditional wine was made back then, that must have been a blockbuster! Hence it's staying power today. Wines of similar alcohol today do not have the natural acid or tannin to balance it.

[Stick]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

This is getting tiring. With so many doubters and experts, I did recommend someone start a PIF. I meant it. Let me know how far you guys get, that is ALL I AM ASKING.
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PPS. Start the PIF.

It's against the rules:

Originally Posted by poker

Some (not all) items we do not allow in PIF's, MAW's, WTS/WTB/WTT are

Guns and or weapons
Alcohol
Drugs
(you get the idea right?)