Chicago Bears Land Cutler

Originally Posted by forgop

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees would have put up 3000 yards in that offense last year. The OL and WR are bad. Don't worry.

Whats wrong with the OL and WR's?

[forgop]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

Whats wrong with the OL and WR's?

It's pretty simple: they're not any good.

Look no further at WR when they had Muhammad-he's a borderline #2 WR on a handful of teams and a #3 WR on a lot of teams, yet he was the Bears #1. Hester is fast as can be, but he's not really even a WR. Their top 2 OL are past their prime, both going into something like their 11th and 12th years in the NFL. How often did Bears QB's have any time to throw the ball even when there wasn't a blitz?

On top of the lack of talent issues, the Bears have a terrible system to move the ball in the air. Ron Turner's offense is about as conservative as there is in the NFL. Kyle Orton had to be dumbed down to Turner's offense compared to the offense he ran at Purdue. I'll admit that being a Purdue grad, I'm really partial to Orton and want him to do well, but I don't see that anyone would have come in and done in better with what he's had to work with in Chicago thus far.

What stinks out of all of this now is that I'll very seldom get to watch him on tv as the Bears were on quite often being in the Indy market. Now, I'll have to hit up a sports bar with the Sunday Ticket to watch the game, drink a couple beers, and light up a cigar or two, not that I'm complaining of course.

Originally Posted by forgop

It's pretty simple: they're not any good.

Look no further at WR when they had Muhammad-he's a borderline #2 WR on a handful of teams and a #3 WR on a lot of teams, yet he was the Bears #1. Hester is fast as can be, but he's not really even a WR. Their top 2 OL are past their prime, both going into something like their 11th and 12th years in the NFL. How often did Bears QB's have any time to throw the ball even when there wasn't a blitz?

On top of the lack of talent issues, the Bears have a terrible system to move the ball in the air. Ron Turner's offense is about as conservative as there is in the NFL. Kyle Orton had to be dumbed down to Turner's offense compared to the offense he ran at Purdue. I'll admit that being a Purdue grad, I'm really partial to Orton and want him to do well, but I don't see that anyone would have come in and done in better with what he's had to work with in Chicago thus far.

What stinks out of all of this now is that I'll very seldom get to watch him on tv as the Bears were on quite often being in the Indy market. Now, I'll have to hit up a sports bar with the Sunday Ticket to watch the game, drink a couple beers, and light up a cigar or two, not that I'm complaining of course.

The only place the bears lack talent would be WR. They dont have a "number 1 guy". But the free agency looks good right now. If they got cutler, why cant they go get TJ Houshmadzadah, or Antonio Bryant(which is on his way to career highs). The TE is very good for the bears. Desmond Clark has always done well and Olson had a great season. Also, I think that Rashied Davis is a decent wr and hate when he gets thrown under the bus. The running game is looking good with forte and wolfe. The OL will now have a former superbowl champion, 7 time probowler, and 2 time lombardi award winner in Orlando Pace. He is not passed his prime. He also has a great relationship with Lovie.(st. louis together) He wanted to come play for chicago. He said he felt as good as ever in his career when he talked to Lovie. And as far as cutler being a baby and a ass in the locker room, Urlacher will take care of that

Hey you Chicago guys, you can have him! What a whiney little brat! I am a die hard Bronco's fan, and he started headed downhill when he said he was better than Elway and Favre, arrogant little weasel. They were basically building a team in one of the best sports town's in the country (not trying to compare w/ Chi town here, that argument wouldn't end well for anyone) and one of the best franchises in the country. GOOD RIDDANCE!

Rant over, proceed with your regular programming.

Originally Posted by LordOfWu

Hey you Chicago guys, you can have him! What a whiney little brat! I am a die hard Bronco's fan, and he started headed downhill when he said he was better than Elway and Favre, arrogant little weasel. They were basically building a team in one of the best sports town's in the country (not trying to compare w/ Chi town here, that argument wouldn't end well for anyone) and one of the best franchises in the country. GOOD RIDDANCE!

Rant over, proceed with your regular programming.

He will have a major attitude change coming his way

[forgop]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

He will have a major attitude change coming his way

Yeah, he'll end up on his backside enough Jeff George style as it is.

Originally Posted by forgop

The biggest winner in this is Kyle Orton. He receives an immediate improvement in his surrounding cast on the offensive side of the ball and he'll run an offense more sophisticated than they run in high school. With a bad OL and even worse group of receivers, Cutler will bomb in the Windy City. Meanwhile, Orton will move on to bigger and better things in Denver.

Orton does benefit by moving to Denver. But to say he is going to move on to bigger and better things is a stretch. First of all, let me start this off by saying that I am a big Orton fan. However, you have to understand how limited he is. Orton cannot throw the long ball, at all. And he doesn’t try to. Because of this the opposing secondary was not afraid of being beat, so they stack 8 in the box, and can pressure Orton and try and to take out the running game, which was the only real threat for the Bears last year. No matter how great the OL is in Denver, they will are going to be under more pressure and give up more sacks. Especially if you add the fact that Orton will take the sack and he is slow.


On the other hand Cutler does not have the same limitations at Orton. Because he has the ability to throw long, Hester can become more than a decoy (provided he can catch the ball). Now opposing teams have to respect the deep throw, which opens up running lanes for Forte and takes pressure off the OL.

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

He better pay off very soon.

Really? [FONT=Verdana]Obviously [/FONT]Urlacher and you may be able to make a case for Tommie Harris, but which first round pick would you not give up for Cutler?

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

I know. Pro bowler, but an ass in the locker room. I think he will have an attitude change with the bears. I hope so atleast.

I know what the media has been saying about him and some of the Dumbe things he has said. But have alot of players come out saying he was a bad guy in the locker room? I am not questioning you I just haven't heard it. The only person I have heard comment was Scheffler and he wasn't happy about the trade.

Originally Posted by forgop

It's pretty simple: they're not any good.

Look no further at WR when they had Muhammad-he's a borderline #2 WR on a handful of teams and a #3 WR on a lot of teams, yet he was the Bears #1. Hester is fast as can be, but he's not really even a WR. Their top 2 OL are past their prime, both going into something like their 11th and 12th years in the NFL. How often did Bears QB's have any time to throw the ball even when there wasn't a blitz?

On top of the lack of talent issues, the Bears have a terrible system to move the ball in the air. Ron Turner's offense is about as conservative as there is in the NFL. Kyle Orton had to be dumbed down to Turner's offense compared to the offense he ran at Purdue. I'll admit that being a Purdue grad, I'm really partial to Orton and want him to do well, but I don't see that anyone would have come in and done in better with what he's had to work with in Chicago thus far.

You have a point regarding the WR situation in Chicago. However, the QB position is much much harder to fill than the WR. For the upcoming season there are several good FA that are still out there. Non of them are a number 1, but they are definitely good enough.

[quote=Goz;318948]Orton does benefit by moving to Denver. But to say he is going to move on to bigger and better things is a stretch. First of all, let me start this off by saying that I am a big Orton fan. However, you have to understand how limited he is. Orton cannot throw the long ball, at all. And he doesn’t try to. Because of this the opposing secondary was not afraid of being beat, so they stack 8 in the box, and can pressure Orton and try and to take out the running game, which was the only real threat for the Bears last year. No matter how great the OL is in Denver, they will are going to be under more pressure and give up more sacks. Especially if you add the fact that Orton will take the sack and he is slow.


On the other hand Cutler does not have the same limitations at Orton. Because he has the ability to throw long, Hester can become more than a decoy (provided he can catch the ball). Now opposing teams have to respect the deep throw, which opens up running lanes for Forte and takes pressure off the OL.
I know what the media has been saying about him and some of the Dumbe things he has said. But have alot of players come out saying he was a bad guy in the locker room? I am not questioning you I just haven't heard it. The only person I have heard comment was Scheffler and he wasn't happy about the trade. QUOTE]


I agree with what you said.

The part about him being a a$$ in the locker room came from discussion on the radio. I think it will change(his me attitude) when he gets to chicago.

[Whee]

I think the silence from the players in Denver speaks volumes as well.

All in all, I think this definitley upgrades Da Bears. if they draft smart, and shore up the O-line, they may have most of the puzzle pieces in place.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by LordOfWu

Hey you Chicago guys, you can have him!

I will tell Jerry D'Angelo that we have your permission!

[forgop]

Originally Posted by Goz

Orton does benefit by moving to Denver. But to say he is going to move on to bigger and better things is a stretch. First of all, let me start this off by saying that I am a big Orton fan. However, you have to understand how limited he is. Orton cannot throw the long ball, at all. And he doesn’t try to. Because of this the opposing secondary was not afraid of being beat, so they stack 8 in the box, and can pressure Orton and try and to take out the running game, which was the only real threat for the Bears last year. No matter how great the OL is in Denver, they will are going to be under more pressure and give up more sacks. Especially if you add the fact that Orton will take the sack and he is slow.

Orton limited because he can't throw the long ball? I disagree. He didn't do it particularly well in Chicago because his targets were pretty bad for starters as they don't have the ability to get open. His OL certainly was less than spectacular in blocking 5 on 4, let alone when they brought a blitz. Outside of Hester (who's not a very good route runner), who could get open in Chicago? Defenses obviously played up on the short routes and for good reason as most of the time, WR's couldn't get open. Orton has a strong arm and can throw it as demonstrated before his senior year in high school by throwing it 70 yards in a QB camp (which surpassed an NFL QB at the camp-I'm thinking it was John Kitna for some reason).

I watched Orton play every game at Purdue and I'm sure I carry some bias. I know what he's capable of doing. He's not a pro bowl caliber QB, but he's not a bottom tier guy either. In a QB-friendly SYSTEM (which the Bears don't have), Orton will have a more open air attack and much more control. He ran a much more sophisticated offense at Purdue that he was very good in all elements of his game. Obviously, he's slow, but he's no worse than Peyton Manning in that regard.

[icehog3]

Bring back Bob Avellini!!

[Whee]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Bring back Bob Avellini!!

How 'bout Bobby Douglass?

Originally Posted by forgop

Orton limited because he can't throw the long ball? I disagree. He didn't do it particularly well in Chicago because his targets were pretty bad for starters as they don't have the ability to get open. His OL certainly was less than spectacular in blocking 5 on 4, let alone when they brought a blitz. Outside of Hester (who's not a very good route runner), who could get open in Chicago? Defenses obviously played up on the short routes and for good reason as most of the time, WR's couldn't get open. Orton has a strong arm and can throw it as demonstrated before his senior year in high school by throwing it 70 yards in a QB camp (which surpassed an NFL QB at the camp-I'm thinking it was John Kitna for some reason).

I watched Orton play every game at Purdue and I'm sure I carry some bias. I know what he's capable of doing. He's not a pro bowl caliber QB, but he's not a bottom tier guy either. In a QB-friendly SYSTEM (which the Bears don't have), Orton will have a more open air attack and much more control. He ran a much more sophisticated offense at Purdue that he was very good in all elements of his game. Obviously, he's slow, but he's no worse than Peyton Manning in that regard.

Didnt Kyle get benched his senior year at Purdue?

[King James]

Originally Posted by illinoishoosier

I think the silence from the players in Denver speaks volumes as well.

All in all, I think this definitley upgrades Da Bears. if they draft smart, and shore up the O-line, they may have most of the puzzle pieces in place.

They just gave up all there draft picks to get top o-line guys. Sure they could find some in later rounds....but loosing the 2 first round draft picks may hurt if Cutler doesn't get more than 2 seconds to through the ball

[forgop]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

Didnt Kyle get benched his senior year at Purdue?

He did his sophomore year and then won back the job.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by illinoishoosier

How 'bout Bobby Douglass?

How about Jack Concannon?

Originally Posted by King James

They just gave up all there draft picks to get top o-line guys. Sure they could find some in later rounds....but loosing the 2 first round draft picks may hurt if Cutler doesn't get more than 2 seconds to through the ball

Not the way the Bears have drafted lately.

Cedric Benson.
Curtis Enis
Cade McNown
Rex Grossman
Rashaan Salaam

[St. Lou Stu]

Man...... I am a HUGE Broncos fan and can say.... Y'all can have him!

Kid makes a TON of AWFUL decisions. I just wish we didn't have to take Orton off of your hands. Seems like an even trade to me, but I guess the draft picks make it worth it.

Too bad you guys gave up the draft picks. You need those so Cutler has someone to throw the ball to.

Originally Posted by forgop

He did his sophomore year and then won back the job.

I was reading it was his senior year. - http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...auer112504.htm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/60508.html
I didnt know he also got benched his sophomore year too.

Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

Man...... I am a HUGE Broncos fan and can say.... Y'all can have him!

Kid makes a TON of AWFUL decisions. I just wish we didn't have to take Orton off of your hands. Seems like an even trade to me, but I guess the draft picks make it worth it.

Too bad you guys gave up the draft picks. You need those so Cutler has someone to throw the ball to.

Or someone from free-agency