The new bold

[wayner123]

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them? Yes and No. YMMV on which you consider this, but as an industry whole I don't think that is the case. I wasn't referring to the industry as a whole, but to just a few brands/makers that seem to be pushing that "strength" envelope.

Which brands are these? That would help me out a lot in understanding, as there are hundreds of brands/lines to choose from.

Or, maybe they'll age all right and come around? Could be, but then again most NC's have been aged to a certain point. Yeah, I know they have been aged for a while before release, but it is also true that I have seen NCs have some serious change after a couple months and/or years.

I understood you to mean if the strength/harshness would go away. If that is what you mean, then some will some won't. I can say over the years I can count on one hand the amount of smokes that went through "serious" change from aging. But again, that's just my experience.

Or...(you have another idea)???? How long have you noticed this phenomenon? Is it recent? Take a look at things that may have changed in your own life or in your own environment. I have noticed changes in blends/cigars that I have enjoyed for years, but they are rather subtle. There are some cigars that I enjoyed, but no longer find exciting. Neither of this is what I am asking about. I am speaking of the popularity of new cigars on the scene which tout themselves as full-bodied and/or bold and/or strong cigars. Like I said, I love strong cigars, have for many years. This is something different though.

Again, which brands and vitolas are talking about?

To add as well, a good number of brands have also begun to make milder lines of their cigars as well. I call it the "macanudo money" share. They know that there are a good number of people who prefer milder cigars as well.

[UPHOTO]

The word strong here is in reference to nicotine levels?

People use the term for nicotine or flavor and from what I'm reading here you are looking for a strong cigar in terms of nicotine that has depth and great flavors?

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by wayner123

To add as well, a good number of brands have also begun to make milder lines of their cigars as well. I call it the "macanudo money" share. They know that there are a good number of people who prefer milder cigars as well.

I am guessing that you and I have been smoking cigars a lot longer that some others here have - if I remember correctly, that is.

I'm not going to post that whole other thing here, but will try to summarize. To which cigars am I referring? Well, I guess the first to come to mind is the Cain line. I have had two of them and both struck me as pure power (and a bit harsh/bitter at that), and while there might have been some nice flavors there, the simple strength overwhelmed what might have been flavor or finesse.

The other was a couple La Flor Dominicana Double Ligeros that I tried. Although, I smoked one which had been sitting in my humidor for over a year and it much more flavorful and smooth - it wasn't just a harsh strong stick.

Then, upon thinking back, I have had Illusione, Pepin, and Joya de Nicaraugua sticks which struck me with this same thought.

I have tried to examine whether mood, surroundings, or other things have made an impact, but nothing seems to stick out in my mind.


There are some others as well which struch me that way, but these are the ones

[Powers]

I enjoy Illusione and Pepin for a strong yet complex and flavorful smoke. Especially in smaller ring gauges like lanceros

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by UPHOTO

The word strong here is in reference to nicotine levels?

People use the term for nicotine or flavor and from what I'm reading here you are looking for a strong cigar in terms of nicotine that has depth and great flavors?

No! What I am talking about is strong as in flavor. You can have a mild tasting cigar with some wicked nicotine. That's a whole different beast.

For example the Cain is all ligero - just strong.

[UPHOTO]

ahhhh!!!! got it!

Yeah different then what I thought you were talking about.

I think Padron's fit this profile. Straight forward flavors that have depth to them but yeah it's tough to find something that has that kick to it in flavor yet also has the depth also.

[RevSmoke]

I would agree that Padrons are fairly strong and have great flavors, complexity, depth, etc...

A couple others have done that: Black Pepins (especially the Perlas), Tats (especially love the Noellas), Taboo has a few that fit the bill, as does Oliva.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[shilala]

Todd, I think I sent you a couple Oscuro A's. They're LFD's.
They are real expensive one dimensional poop cigars.
Then there's the LGD Ocuro Oriental you called me about. That's what I like.
That saves a lot of words.
I like strong smokes that grow, blossom and change. They're fun.
On the other hand, if you want 14 inches of "okay" that never does anything, the LFD A's are the answer.
I suppose each has it's place. Your "likes" run real close to mine, and you like cigars to do the stuff I like, even if we don't like exactly the same flavors.
If you want to try a cigar that I think is technically perfect, try to land an original release Padilla Achilles.
It does EVERYTHING right. They just taste like green spray painted astroturf to me.
But I can appreciate the technical genius behind the blend. Ya know?

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by shilala

Todd, I think I sent you a couple Oscuro A's. They're LFD's.
They are real expensive one dimensional poop cigars.
Then there's the LGD Ocuro Oriental you called me about. That's what I like.
That saves a lot of words.
I like strong smokes that grow, blossom and change. They're fun.
On the other hand, if you want 14 inches of "okay" that never does anything, the LFD A's are the answer.
I suppose each has it's place. Your "likes" run real close to mine, and you like cigars to do the stuff I like, even if we don't like exactly the same flavors.
If you want to try a cigar that I think is technically perfect, try to land an original release Padilla Achilles.
It does EVERYTHING right. They just taste like green spray painted astroturf to me.
But I can appreciate the technical genius behind the blend. Ya know?

Yes, you did send to me one of the As. I haven't tried it yet as it has been sitting in my humidor. The Litto Gomez was indeed incredible - a stellar smoke - although I didn't find it all that "strong."

Something that tastes like green spray painted astroturf doesn't sound like something I really want to try. Why? I've eaten my share of it from different sports, never really did like it much then. However, I will keep my eyes open for an original Padilla Achilles, as I heard they are really good cigars. If I do find one, pardon me if I hope and pray that you were stuck varnishing or spray painting something every time you've had one, and so it was only your delusional mental meanderings that made them appear to taste like "green spray painted astroturf."

Love you man, it's all good.

[jaymz]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I thought the LFDs I smoked some time back had pretty decent flavor as well.

One cigar I was sad to see sacrifice flavor for more power, IMHO, was when they changes the blend on the La Aroma de Cubas.

Originally Posted by stitch

I couldn't agree more ... They screwed up one of my all time favorites just for the sake of putting "Pepin" on it.

I thought just the "Edition Especial" was a different blend.

I've enjoyed couple of the older LADC's i've had and was thinking about making that my next box purchase.