How are you doing at the tables (Poker Thread)?

[JohnnyFlake]

Originally Posted by poker

Actually it is the way its played. In Gardena CA casinos anyways.

The quads would constitute 4 cards and the 7 (since it's higher than any other card on the board not already being played) becomes the kicker.
So, in actuality, both hole cards are playing for the 5 card hand.

Now I know every casino sets their own rules, but in Southern CA many card casinos have that ruling.

If you say that's the way it is in CA., I cannot dispute that. The last time I played in a Poker Room in CA., was over 15 years ago, and there were no bad beat or high hand jackpots back then.

[poker]

http://www.hustlercasinola.com/a/fly...rogressive.pdf

[JohnnyFlake]

Originally Posted by poker

http://www.hustlercasinola.com/a/fly...rogressive.pdf

I called them to ask how their rule actually applied. I was told, that in their Casino, in the case of four of a kind, there can be three parts of the four of a kind on the table. For example, in their casino, there can be 3 Tens on the table and lets' say a nine and a jack. If your hole cards were a ten and either a jack, queen or king, you would have a valid hand. Your kicker must either tie or beat the other kickers on the table. In all other California Casinos the kicker in your hand must beat all other kickers on the table.

The person I was talking to said that they were the only ones who allowed a tie with the highest kicker to count as a winning hand. He also said that in Nevada, the rules were completely different. He agreed that both of the whole cards must be used to make up the four of a kind.

I learned something today!!!

[poker]

The Normandie casino in Gardena is also like that ($15K JP). They do however have a larger jackpot ($40K) if quads are beat by quads and both players have pocket pairs. Hit it during certain hours and it doubles.

This is my usual haunting grounds

http://www.normandiecasino.com/Tourn...M-PROG-JPT.jpg

[JohnnyFlake]

My post #35 above has troubled me for several hours now. Something about it does not make any sense to me, so I called them again, and I was again explained the same exact ruling on how their rule about the hole cards apply. So, what I explained above #35 is correct, based on their rules.

However, it makes no sense to me, and here is why. Using the example that I was given, 3 tens, a nine and a jack are on the table. Your holding the 4th ten and another card. According to their rules, the other card must be a jack, queen, king or ace for your hand to count. Their rule, as defined by them, states that your kicker must be equal to or higher than any other cards on the table, beside the 3 tens. In other words, your kicker must tie or beat the other kickers on the table for your hand to be considered a winning hand. That makes no sense, as you have 4 tens. No one else has four tens, therefore the kicker is irrelevant. It should make no difference what your kicker is, even a duce should be good. Kickers, by all poker rules, only come into play to break two or more hands that tie, and sometimes kickers will also tie and the pot is split. With any four of a kind hand, there can be no ties. Who ever has four of a kind, can never be tied with an equal hand. As a result the kicker is irrelevant!

[poker]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlake

My post #35 above has troubled me for several hours now. Something about it does not make any sense to me, so I called them again, and I was again explained the same exact ruling on how their rule about the hole cards apply. So, what I explained above #35 is correct, based on their rules.

However, it makes no sense to me, and here is why. Using the example that I was given, 3 tens, a nine and a jack are on the table. Your holding the 4th ten and another card. According to their rules, the other card must be a jack, queen, king or ace for your hand to count. Their rule, as defined by them, states that your kicker must be equal to or higher than any other cards on the table, beside the 3 tens. In other words, your kicker must tie or beat the other kickers on the table for your hand to be considered a winning hand. That makes no sense, as you have 4 tens. No one else has four tens, therefore the kicker is irrelevant. It should make no difference what your kicker is, even a duce should be good. Kickers, by all poker rules, only come into play to break two or more hands that tie, and sometimes kickers will also tie and the pot is split. With any four of a kind hand, there can be no ties. Who ever has four of a kind, can never be tied with an equal hand. As a result the kicker is irrelevant!

Well all I can tell you is what I know. A poker hand in Hold Em consists of a 5 card hand, not 4. So the kicker does apply. If given the example you posted

10-10-9-J-10

And you have A-10, the Ace kicker counts as the 5th card to complete your hand.
If for example you instead had 8-10 in the hole, you have quads but the "J" on the board out ranks your 8, so therefore you do in fact have quads but you are not using both your hole cards, only the 10.

The key being that both players must have both hole cards contribute to make up a 5 card hand to qualify for bad beat JP.

[JohnnyFlake]

Originally Posted by poker

Well all I can tell you is what I know. A poker hand in Hold Em consists of a 5 card hand, not 4. So the kicker does apply. If given the example you posted

10-10-9-J-10

And you have A-10, the Ace kicker counts as the 5th card to complete your hand.
If for example you instead had 8-10 in the hole, you have quads but the "J" on the board out ranks your 8, so therefore you do in fact have quads but you are not using both your hole cards, only the 10.

The key being that both players must have both hole cards contribute to make up a 5 card hand to qualify for bad beat JP.

Poker,

You have missed my point completely! Yes, the kicker in your hand must play, making a five card hand, however, the value/rank of the kicker in your hand is irrelevant, as your four tens is the winning hand, no matter what the value of the kicker is. There is no other hand that can tie the four tens, so the value of the kicker, in your hand, should be irrelevant.