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Have My Own Room
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I think that's a little harsh. The O.P. may have been a little too defensive in his earlier responses, but imo, his posts haven't risen to Troll level? I also, haven't read all of his posts on other threads, so if I'm missing a pattern… my bad.
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You have an opportunity to learn. To do so, you must listen and read. Then read some more. A troll? I think not. But you certainly are making things more difficult for yourself.
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If you are talking about being bashed then you still don't get it. Maybe one day you will.
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following the whiterabbit
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I love them and have boughten a box but are the SP dbl maddies dyed?
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Stay away from Victor Sinclair, their dyed.
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"mock"? Do you mean "make"? If so, yes, these days it's primarily for looks and color enhancements or to even out the color across splotchy/unevenly colored wrappers. I don't think any reputable manufacturer would use the old maduro-matic steam ovens followed by a dye job of the boom days for curing wrappers anymore. Last edited by T.G; 09-28-2009 at 11:03 PM. |
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Hon.
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What I meant by Mock was to "Make" ( as you said ) it seem like its a darker maduro wrapper. It just seems crazy to me that they would dye the leaves. As you said, I wouldn't see it practiced much anymore.
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Let me explain in a bit more detail: Color enhanced wrappers, which are naturally fermented, are one thing. I don't really know how many manufacturers engage in this practice with their cigars. To me, this isn't such a big deal, and while I'd just as soon do without it, I don't look at it as really any different than treating a wrapper with a bethune, which is a lot more common than you might think with NC cigars. Basically, naturally fermented wrappers can be splotchy, uneven, dissimilar from wrapper to wrapper - what they are doing here is making all the wrappers fairly uniform in appearance with a normally light dye coat. Aesthetics sell. Not a big deal to me, just so long as I don't end up looking like I stole Marlin Manson's lipstick (not all dye rubs/bleeds off - done right or light, it shouldn't, heavy coats are another issue...). *shrug* Now, the maduro-matic and dying process I mentioned, this is cheating. Instead of fermenting wrappers for weeks or months, the leaves are cooked in a steam/pressure oven to darken them. What should take weeks, takes hours. They then heavily color dye the wrapper to hide the telltale sheen from the process. Think of this as going to a fancy restaurant and ordering a $25 dinner, only to have the cook open the freezer, pull out a pre-made meal, microwave it, and then transfer it from a cardboard tray to a plate and then sprinkling chopped parsley, paprika and a bit of extra cheese/gravy/sauce/whatever to try and hide the fact that it was a "TV dinner". I can see a reputable manufacturer using dye as a bethune or as an ingredient in one, but I have a hard time believing that any reputable manufacturer would engage in maduro-matic processes. Hope that clears things up a bit. |
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--begin Color enhanced wrappers, which are naturally fermented, are one thing. I don't really know how many manufacturers engage in the practice of touching up naturally fermented wrappers, but I do know the practice exists. To me, this isn't such a big deal, and while I'd just as soon do without it, I don't look at it as really any different than treating a wrapper with a bethune, which, while maybe not commonplace, does occur more than one might suspect/think with NC cigars. Basically, naturally fermented wrappers can be splotchy, uneven, dissimilar from wrapper to wrapper - what they are doing here is making all the wrappers fairly uniform in appearance with a normally light dye coat. Aesthetics sell. Not a big deal to me, just so long as I don't end up looking like I stole Marlin Manson's lipstick (not all dye rubs/bleeds off - done right or light, it shouldn't, heavy coats are another issue...). *shrug* ---end |
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Got Torque?
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smoke em if ya got em
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Enhancing, dying call it what ever you want. All I know is that your lips shouldn't turn black after smoking a cigar. That's exactly what happened to me the last time I smoked a cigar from Victor Sinclair. I had black stuff on my lips where the cigar was. I didn't realize it until I looked in the mirror and saw it on my mouth. I interacted with several people at that point, they must have wondered what the heck it was.
From my understanding they do it because it's cheaper than properly aging the leaves. |
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