Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?

icehog3 · 07-27-2009, 10:43 PM

Hoping for some civil discourse on your thoughts on Pete being in the HOF. After 20 years, he would have to be voted in by the 65 members of the Veteran's Committee if his lifetime ban from baseball was lifted.

I know how Selig feels, sportswriters feel, players feel...I am curious as to how you feel.

Thanks for any constructive comments on a (currently) hypothetical situation.

pnoon · 07-27-2009, 10:45 PM

In.
If character and morality were a factor, then a bunch would have to be booted out.
Nobody in my lifetime played as well and as hard every day as Charlie Hustle.

07-27-2009, 10:45 PM

Pete is a great player, he made a mistake -- but his record as a professional athlete speaks for itself.

LET PETE IN!!!

07-27-2009, 10:46 PM

He's worthy.

Emjaysmash · 07-27-2009, 10:47 PM

I have no clue what we talking about... seeing as there was a "I could care less" option I chose that one. ( Not that I actually do care less, im just oblivious.)

07-27-2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

I have no clue what we talking about... seeing as there was a "I could care less" option I chose that one. ( Not that I actually do care less, im just oblivious.)

Thanks for your contribution.

icehog3 · 07-27-2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

I have no clue what we talking about... seeing as there was a "I could care less" option I chose that one. ( Not that I actually do care less, im just oblivious.)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...01.shtml?redir

NCRadioMan · 07-27-2009, 10:49 PM

No question in my mind. In. You can't tell me he was the only one that bet on games. He just got caught. There are racists, druggies and overall bad people in the Hall. Pete lived the game all his life and nobody was as dedicated to his craft.

RichardW · 07-27-2009, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell

Pete is a great player, he made a mistake -- but his record as a professional athlete speaks for itself.

LET PETE IN!!!

Well, he made more than one mistake, but he should still be in. It's like "disrepect of cop" -- but unless I missed it, he never did apologize ..

again --> IN!!!

Old Sailor · 07-27-2009, 10:49 PM

He did the crime, he did the time, it's all in the past as far as I'm concerned......in!

Emjaysmash · 07-27-2009, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell

Thanks for your contribution.

Was that sarcasm, Brother?

shilala · 07-27-2009, 10:52 PM

Dood, it's Charlie Hustle.
No one every laced up a pair of shoes that played the game harder or with more passion. I can't wait to see him in the Hall.

07-27-2009, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

Was that sarcasm, Brother?

NEVER!

On the square,

D

KidRock · 07-27-2009, 10:59 PM

YES

MedicCook · 07-27-2009, 11:09 PM

He should most definately should be in the HOF. He is one of the greatest hitters in the history of baseball. Hank Aaron told Selig this past weekend that it is time to lift the ban. I really hope he listens to Hank.

Savor the Stick · 07-28-2009, 12:40 AM

I voted No. What was the commission trying to accomplish by banning Mr. Rose? I believe they wanted to send a message to others.
Mr. Rose knew what he was doing and the possible consequences. One of the fun things professional athletes give up is gambling.

Lifting the ban and allowing him into the HOF would send a message to others (coming up) that as long as you are a great player you will eventually get away with it.

I think he was a great player and would have deserved the honor of HOF.....if he hadn't have done what he knew was against the rules.

The ban against Mr. Rose should not be lifted.....Ok Flame on!

Azpostal · 07-28-2009, 02:31 AM

He is the greatest hitter in the history of baseball. IN..IN...IN!!!!!!

07-28-2009, 03:12 AM

why did he get banned for all thos years ?

07-28-2009, 03:31 AM

Nope.

Regardless of his contributions on the field, he touched what some have called "the third rail" of baseball by gambling on games he was involved in, and for that the penalty they say is death.

I kind of agree with that analogy. Nobody who has ever bet on baseball has ever been let back in, once you make an exception you open the floodgates and need to justify why this one, and not that one.

Examples are wonderful things, all the more so when the example being made is someone noteworthy. Yup, other players did bad things too, or weren't nice guys (see Ty cobb), but they didn't bet on the game. Not an apples to apples comparison.

Not that I don't appreciate his contributions, but we've all broken things in our lives that we just can't fix, no matter how hard we try or how remorseful we may be.Some things may be forgiven, but can't be forgotten.

As an aside, from what I've read he's never getting in anyways, because the people who do the voting don't want him there.

gnukfu · 07-28-2009, 03:44 AM

Yeah gambling was/is against the rules and he screwed up. I think he has been punished enough by going through a 20 year sentence excluded from the Hall. Time to let him in.

And if they let even one of the known steroid users in then there is absolutely no excuse to keep him out.

View Poll Results: Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?
Rose should be in the Hall.	62	65.26%
Rose should not be in the Hall.	20	21.05%
Depends (discuss below).	7	7.37%
I could care less.	6	6.32%
Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll

07-27-2009, 10:43 PM	#1
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,882 Trading: (60)	Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? Hoping for some civil discourse on your thoughts on Pete being in the HOF. After 20 years, he would have to be voted in by the 65 members of the Veteran's Committee if his lifetime ban from baseball was lifted. I know how Selig feels, sportswriters feel, players feel...I am curious as to how you feel. Thanks for any constructive comments on a (currently) hypothetical situation. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

07-27-2009, 10:45 PM	#2
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? In. If character and morality were a factor, then a bunch would have to be booted out. Nobody in my lifetime played as well and as hard every day as Charlie Hustle. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

07-27-2009, 10:45 PM	#3
Darrell Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? Pete is a great player, he made a mistake -- but his record as a professional athlete speaks for itself. LET PETE IN!!!

07-27-2009, 10:46 PM	#4
Ace$nyper Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? He's worthy.

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NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,281 Trading: (66)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? No question in my mind. In. You can't tell me he was the only one that bet on games. He just got caught. There are racists, druggies and overall bad people in the Hall. Pete lived the game all his life and nobody was as dedicated to his craft. __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

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shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? Dood, it's Charlie Hustle. No one every laced up a pair of shoes that played the game harder or with more passion. I can't wait to see him in the Hall. __________________

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MedicCook Mila smoked my cigar Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: Schaghticoke, NY Posts: 10,946 Trading: (7)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? He should most definately should be in the HOF. He is one of the greatest hitters in the history of baseball. Hank Aaron told Selig this past weekend that it is time to lift the ban. I really hope he listens to Hank. __________________ 27 World Series Championship's "If your wife doesn't like the aroma of your cigar, change your wife.", Zino Davidoff

07-28-2009, 12:40 AM	#16
Savor the Stick ~Loves the Lord~ Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kevin, or just K Location: Wichita Falls, Texas Posts: 1,945 Trading: (67)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? I voted No. What was the commission trying to accomplish by banning Mr. Rose? I believe they wanted to send a message to others. Mr. Rose knew what he was doing and the possible consequences. One of the fun things professional athletes give up is gambling. Lifting the ban and allowing him into the HOF would send a message to others (coming up) that as long as you are a great player you will eventually get away with it. I think he was a great player and would have deserved the honor of HOF.....if he hadn't have done what he knew was against the rules. The ban against Mr. Rose should not be lifted.....Ok Flame on! __________________ Pastor K Please Support the Troops

07-28-2009, 02:31 AM	#17
Azpostal Feeling at Home Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Don Location: Arizona Posts: 511 Trading: (9)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? He is the greatest hitter in the history of baseball. IN..IN...IN!!!!!!

07-28-2009, 03:12 AM	#18
adampc22 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? why did he get banned for all thos years ?

07-28-2009, 03:31 AM	#19
Resipsa Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? Nope. Regardless of his contributions on the field, he touched what some have called "the third rail" of baseball by gambling on games he was involved in, and for that the penalty they say is death. I kind of agree with that analogy. Nobody who has ever bet on baseball has ever been let back in, once you make an exception you open the floodgates and need to justify why this one, and not that one. Examples are wonderful things, all the more so when the example being made is someone noteworthy. Yup, other players did bad things too, or weren't nice guys (see Ty cobb), but they didn't bet on the game. Not an apples to apples comparison. Not that I don't appreciate his contributions, but we've all broken things in our lives that we just can't fix, no matter how hard we try or how remorseful we may be.Some things may be forgiven, but can't be forgotten. As an aside, from what I've read he's never getting in anyways, because the people who do the voting don't want him there.

07-28-2009, 03:44 AM	#20
gnukfu I like cigars Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: George Location: Massholia Posts: 1,466 Trading: (27)	Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not? Yeah gambling was/is against the rules and he screwed up. I think he has been punished enough by going through a 20 year sentence excluded from the Hall. Time to let him in. And if they let even one of the known steroid users in then there is absolutely no excuse to keep him out. __________________ Curious George

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