Sometimes you call a spade a spade

Originally Posted by OLS

A person who rips a person on a coke deal knows there is only one threat. Revenge.

I like revenge, a dish best served ice cold in a dark parking lot.

They have parking lots in Canada, don't they?

[Old Sailor]

Originally Posted by Joan

I like revenge, a dish best served ice cold in a dark parking lot.

They have parking lots in Canada, don't they?

What's a parking lot??

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Old Sailor

What's a parking lot??

They're called freeways in southern California.

[Thrak]

Originally Posted by OLS

This is where I will end up replying, although I wanted to reply to the person that stated that there was a real case, crossing state lines, etc. I laughed out loud, I am sorry to say. Not to deride the person who said this, but in a general way, I was thinking, 'yup, it's easy to give advice to the "other person" who then has to act on his ironclad case involving illegal goods'. Haha, priceless.

Like I have the time to read thru everything to determine that this was a deal involving "unspeakables" ...

I've been the moderator and owner of boards with over 20,000 people (not cigar related) and have had to deal with this crap before. More often than not the buyer gets some recourse, especially if its across state lines. Atty Generals of States dont look kindly on interstate fraud.

However, since this was across country lines, I dont have a clue how one would proceed with this as I have no experience with it.

I just hate hearing about that kind of money loss, that is, for me anyway, a significant amount of money and I would be steaming pissed.

I have a MOD question.

If Member A is taken advantage of on ANOTHER board by Member B and BOTH are members of THIS board, is it OK for Member A to post negative feedback on THIS board?

[icehog3]

To reiterate, as I am not sure it was grasped completely, it is absolutely NOT ok to post negative feedback here for a transaction on another board...period.

[md4958]

Originally Posted by icehog3

To reiterate, as I am not sure it was grasped completely, it is absolutely NOT ok to post negative feedback here for a transaction on another board...period.

Tom, in regards to transactions that went bad that were actually conducted privately, not on any boards (ie via email) what is the mods position on TF for that?

For example, I was contacted by Dan via email regarding the sale of some cigars. Fortunately I declined, but had I not I would be in the same boat as Shawn and the other gents here (Tikihut patch aside).

Now, at the time, I was ONLY a member of CA, so that is the only place Dan new me from. Since this was our only common "hang out" would it have been appropriate for feedback to be left on CA?

Obviously, the point is now mute for Dan, but for future reference, clarification might be in helpful.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by md4958

Tom, in regards to transactions that went bad that were actually conducted privately, not on any boards (ie via email) what is the mods position on TF for that?

For example, I was contacted by Dan via email regarding the sale of some cigars. Fortunately I declined, but had I not I would be in the same boat as Shawn and the other gents here (Tikihut patch aside).

Now, at the time, I was ONLY a member of CA, so that is the only place Dan new me from. Since this was our only common "hang out" would it have been appropriate for feedback to be left on CA?

Obviously, the point is now mute for Dan, but for future reference, clarification might be in helpful.

Hi Moe,

I would say if the transaction was initiated somehow through CA (PMs, e-mail through CA, etc), then it would be permissable. But I certainly don't think transactions initiated on another board, whether via PMs on that board, or other means, should constitute negative feedback here. Clear as mud?

In your case I would think TF would be permissable, because your transaction would have occured through CA to a major degree.

[md4958]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Hi Moe,

I would say if the transaction was initiated somehow through CA (PMs, e-mail through CA, etc), then it would be permissable. But I certainly don't think transactions initiated on another board, whether via PMs on that board, or othert means, should constitute negative feedback here. Clear as mud?

Gotcha

I was referring to the first instance.

[Tikihut27]

Originally Posted by md4958

(Tikihut patch aside)

More facts:

1) Dan contacted me in Afghanistan about a GB for a patch back in November 08. I was leaving soon, but hoped to get the patches made by a local vendor in Camp Phoenix before I left. I set up the patch and had a prototype made, then ordered the batch.

2) The vendor was backlogged and couldn't get the patches made before I left country. I was unwilling to stick around in Afghanistan to wait, so I turned the process over to my Tiki Hut replacement, TFphoenix33.

3) TFphoenix33 waited for Dan to send a check so he could pick up the patches. Never came. Dan said he had some personal issues and was having trouble getting the check out.

4) I got involved again in February and April as a liason between Dan and TFphoenix33. No money came from Dan, TFphoenix33 was unwilling to front the money (smart man). As far as I know, the patches are still sitting at the embroiderers. Maybe they will still be there by the next time I get sent back to Afghanistan.

5) I am unaware of any refunds for patches, I know even I sent him money for the GB because the final patches were slightly different than the prototype and I wanted one.

6) I am also unaware that any of the troop supporters received anything from the failed GB. Please correct if so.

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing .

[poker]

Originally Posted by Tikihut27

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing .

I think we all do

[Old Sailor]

Originally Posted by Tikihut27

More facts:

1) Dan contacted me in Afghanistan about a GB for a patch back in November 08. I was leaving soon, but hoped to get the patches made by a local vendor in Camp Phoenix before I left. I set up the patch and had a prototype made, then ordered the batch.

2) The vendor was backlogged and couldn't get the patches made before I left country. I was unwilling to stick around in Afghanistan to wait, so I turned the process over to my Tiki Hut replacement, TFphoenix33.

3) TFphoenix33 waited for Dan to send a check so he could pick up the patches. Never came. Dan said he had some personal issues and was having trouble getting the check out.

4) I got involved again in February and April as a liason between Dan and TFphoenix33. No money came from Dan, TFphoenix33 was unwilling to front the money (smart man). As far as I know, the patches are still sitting at the embroiderers. Maybe they will still be there by the next time I get sent back to Afghanistan.

5) I am unaware of any refunds for patches, I know even I sent him money for the GB because the final patches were slightly different than the prototype and I wanted one.

6) I am also unaware that any of the troop supporters received anything from the failed GB. Please correct if so.

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing .

Wasn't your undoing, Dan never sent the cheque, so no patches.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Tikihut27

3) TFphoenix33 waited for Dan to send a check so he could pick up the patches. Never came. Dan said he had some personal issues and was having trouble getting the check out.

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing .

No reason for you to feel lousy, you did everything right.

For the record, this is NOT the story Dan told a couple of Mods via PM...he laid all the blame on people in Afghanistan. And I obviously believe yours is the true story.

[md4958]

Originally Posted by Tikihut27

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing .

I hear ya, and I would feel the same way, however I don't think any of us hold you responsible for the failed GB. I cant imagine why you wouldn't want to hang around Afghanistan for another 6 months though

I really dont care about the $12, what I'm phucken pissed about is that he would screw people over under the guise that it was for troop support. The members of the GB got screwed, the embroiderer got screwed, and the troops got screwed.

[MNSmoker]

Originally Posted by md4958

I really dont care about the $12, what I'm phucken pissed about is that he would screw people over under the guise that it was for troop support. The members of the GB got screwed, the embroiderer got screwed, and the troops got screwed.

Absolutely. I'm not pissed off that I'm out $20 and I'll never receive my Tikihut Patch, what I'm pissed off about is Dan cheated the troops out of money. I know many of us donated a few extra dollars in the GB that Dan was to give the troops. Karma is a ***** and there is no doubt that his ways will come around to bite him.

Fox, I'm sorry you were screwed out of $650. It sucks that this would happen to anyone on this board, but it's really terrible that it happened to one of the nicest and most generous members here.

[poker]

If transactions are conducted via closed doors (ie: Private PM deal from here or email) I dont see why you cant leave TF on their profile.

Its just that if the transaction was conducted at another forum, leave the feedback at that forum.



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[icehog3]

Originally Posted by poker

If transactions are conducted via closed doors (ie: Private PM deal from here or email) I dont see why you cant leave TF on their profile.

Its just that if the transaction was conducted at another forum, leave the feedback at that forum.



edit: (or in others words.....what Tom said )

Great minds, Kelly?

[yourchoice]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

Always been my understanding Joel that if it didn't happen here, don't leave feedback for it here.

Gotcha, thanks Vic. Good to see you around some.

Originally Posted by pnoon

Yep. That is the general practice.

Thanks Peter!

Originally Posted by icehog3

To reiterate, as I am not sure it was grasped completely, it is absolutely NOT ok to post negative feedback here for a transaction on another board...period.

Clear as a bell! (why is it a bell anyway?)

Originally Posted by poker

Its just that if the transaction was conducted at another forum, leave the feedback at that forum.

edit: (or in others words.....what Tom said )

[poker]

You type mo faster den me.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by poker

You type mo faster den me.

Fastest two index fingers in the East.