I'm done with FOX.

I wouldn't take these comedians seriously. We have top politicians, even presidential candidates call our soldiers lazy, stupid losers who had no future so they joined the military. This is how Jon Stewart portrayed them in order to bash Bush. Al Franken has done the same. One Congressman claimed our Marines were GUILTY of MURDER and the hadn't even been tried! Our leading newspapers propagate these stereotypes. These guys on Red Eye were cracking jokes about soldiers asking for time off. That is pretty funny. They did take it too far, but there are far worse things, especially in Canada, to worry about than some almost nonexistent comedians who no one had ever heard about before.

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

I wouldn't take these comedians seriously. We have top politicians, even presidential candidates call our soldiers lazy, stupid losers who had no future so they joined the military. This is how Jon Stewart portrayed them in order to bash Bush. Al Franken has done the same. One Congressman claimed our Marines were GUILTY of MURDER and the hadn't even been tried! Our leading newspapers propagate these stereotypes. These guys on Red Eye were cracking jokes about soldiers asking for time off. That is pretty funny. They did take it too far, but there are far worse things, especially in Canada, to worry about than some almost nonexistent comedians who no one had ever heard about before.

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

I wouldn't take these comedians seriously. We have top politicians, even presidential candidates call our soldiers lazy, stupid losers who had no future so they joined the military. This is how Jon Stewart portrayed them in order to bash Bush. Al Franken has done the same. One Congressman claimed our Marines were GUILTY of MURDER and the hadn't even been tried! Our leading newspapers propagate these stereotypes. These guys on Red Eye were cracking jokes about soldiers asking for time off. That is pretty funny. They did take it too far, but there are far worse things, especially in Canada, to worry about than some almost nonexistent comedians who no one had ever heard about before.

+1.

Couldn't have said it any better.

BTW, to the Canadians and other allies, Thanks for being there for your friends.

Originally Posted by zonedar

BTW, to the Canadians and other allies, Thanks for being there for your friends.

+1
Thanks

[spectrrr]

Originally Posted by zonedar

BTW, to the Canadians and other allies, Thanks for being there for your friends.

+1

Originally Posted by Seanohue

Do what I do; don't watch TV. I think it's been 9 months since I've seen a live TV program.

+2
The rare TV shows I'm interested in watching, I stream.

Originally Posted by ActionAndy

...let me clarify: I was not trying to insult you. I'm trying to say this: Don't let people that don't matter matter. Getting deeply offended by words gives the speaker power. Do not give him that power by reacting.

Terribly stated the first time around, you make your point well this time.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by spectrrr

The rare TV shows I'm interested in watching, I stream.

Or just download them...... there's no commercials at all then

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

FOX News is a news channel. They give news. Some of there shows more than others. But the main point is they give news. News that is by far more balanced than any other national news channel. If I am equating FOX news as entertainment, then where do people get their national news? FOX news leads all national news. But if you believe that the majority are watching FOX news for entertainment, then i ask again, where do they get there news from on TV?


With regards to the second bold highlight, again, some news channels skew more than others. I believe that FOX news is the most balanced of them all That is why the majority of Americans wanting news turns to FOX news. If they didnt like FOX news, they wouldnt watch it. If they wanted entertainment, they would watch Jon Stewart. If they wanted far skewed news, they would watch msnbc. But the numbers dont lie. People are watching FOX news for balanced news.

None of that really discounts my point though. Every American newscast I've ever seen, and most Canadian ones as well, are more entertainment and less news. When I say "entertainment" I'm not talking about the satirical comedy produced in a quasi-newscast format that people like Jon Stewart or Rick Mercer produce. I'm talking about the fact that there's more emphasis on the presentation value of what they're saying than the actual substance of the content or veracity of their reporting. Compared to the reporting that comes out of BBC WorldNews or CBC's The National, FoxNews is primarily an entertainment channel and unfortunately one that's regarded as not much more than a bad joke by much of the world (I'll take your word for it that it is taken seriously within the US).

I find it honestly very scary how many people form their world opinions based on the reporting of syndicated network news programs. The fact that most people have forgotten how to think for themselves if it's not presented to them in a flashy yet concise 30 second soundbite puts a HUGE amount of power in the hands of a small few that are motivated only by ratings and are therefore easily corrupted to the agenda of a small minority.

[Rockestone]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Or just download them...... there's no commercials at all then



None of that really discounts my point though. Every American newscast I've ever seen, and most Canadian ones as well, are more entertainment and less news. When I say "entertainment" I'm not talking about the satirical comedy produced in a quasi-newscast format that people like Jon Stewart or Rick Mercer produce. I'm talking about the fact that there's more emphasis on the presentation value of what they're saying than the actual substance of the content or veracity of their reporting. Compared to the reporting that comes out of BBC WorldNews or CBC's The National, FoxNews is primarily an entertainment channel and unfortunately one that's regarded as not much more than a bad joke by much of the world (I'll take your word for it that it is taken seriously within the US).

I find it honestly very scary how many people form their world opinions based on the reporting of syndicated network news programs. The fact that most people have forgotten how to think for themselves if it's not presented to them in a flashy yet concise 30 second soundbite puts a HUGE amount of power in the hands of a small few that are motivated only by ratings and are therefore easily corrupted to the agenda of a small minority.

B B C = Boring!

There is nothing wrong with adding a little spice to the presentation of the news as long as the product being delivered is NEWS!

[WildBlueSooner]

Originally Posted by Rockestone

B B C = Boring!

There is nothing wrong with adding a little spice to the presentation of the news as long as the product being delivered is NEWS!

I love BBC!

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by Rockestone

B B C = Boring!

There is nothing wrong with adding a little spice to the presentation of the news as long as the product being delivered is NEWS!

The highlighted portion is the key right there. Sadly it's still not stacking up too well in Fox's favour....

It's also a pretty pathetic commentary when people first have to be entertained in order to be informed. A large part of the reason why the BBC or CBC is so much better is precisely because they assume that they're dealing with an adult audience that doesn't need to be distracted by showmanship in order to keep their attention. Instead they just concentrate on digging up and reporting the facts. I'd rather have to think for myself than be bottle fed some over-opinionated and under-educated pundit's myopic view on the world as if it were either news or fact

[Rockestone]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

The highlighted portion is the key right there. Sadly it's still not stacking up too well in Fox's favour....

It's also a pretty pathetic commentary when people first have to be entertained in order to be informed. A large part of the reason why the BBC or CBC is so much better is precisely because they assume that they're dealing with an adult audience that doesn't need to be distracted by showmanship in order to keep their attention. Instead they just concentrate on digging up and reporting the facts. I'd rather have to think for myself than be bottle fed some moronic pundit's view on the world as if it were either news or fact

Your problem is that you feel like if it's not boring it's not real news. You are wrong. I'm sorry that you are that narrow minded.

I reiterate, it does not matter the presentation as long as you are being delivered the news. You prefer some stuff shirt with a monotone voice reading off of a sheet of paper. I prefer a more high paced presentation that doesn't cause drool to form at the corners of my mouth.

Once again, it's my opinion.

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

The highlighted portion is the key right there. Sadly it's still not stacking up too well in Fox's favour....
It's also a pretty pathetic commentary when people first have to be entertained in order to be informed. A large part of the reason why the BBC or CBC is so much better is precisely because they assume that they're dealing with an adult audience that doesn't need to be distracted by showmanship in order to keep their attention. Instead they just concentrate on digging up and reporting the facts. I'd rather have to think for myself than be bottle fed some over-opinionated and under-educated pundit's myopic view on the world as if it were either news or fact

FOX doenst give news? Last time I watched FOX, it was news. And i wasnt entertained by the news they were giving.

[spectrrr]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Or just download them...... there's no commercials at all then

*whistles innocently* It's a public forum

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

None of that really discounts my point though. Every American newscast I've ever seen, and most Canadian ones as well, are more entertainment and less news. When I say "entertainment" I'm not talking about the satirical comedy produced in a quasi-newscast format that people like Jon Stewart or Rick Mercer produce. I'm talking about the fact that there's more emphasis on the presentation value of what they're saying than the actual substance of the content or veracity of their reporting. Compared to the reporting that comes out of BBC WorldNews or CBC's The National, FoxNews is primarily an entertainment channel and unfortunately one that's regarded as not much more than a bad joke by much of the world (I'll take your word for it that it is taken seriously within the US).

I find it honestly very scary how many people form their world opinions based on the reporting of syndicated network news programs. The fact that most people have forgotten how to think for themselves if it's not presented to them in a flashy yet concise 30 second soundbite puts a HUGE amount of power in the hands of a small few that are motivated only by ratings and are therefore easily corrupted to the agenda of a small minority.

see comment below

Originally Posted by Rockestone

B B C = Boring!

There is nothing wrong with adding a little spice to the presentation of the news as long as the product being delivered is NEWS!

Originally Posted by Rockestone

I reiterate, it does not matter the presentation as long as you are being delivered the news. You prefer some stuff shirt with a monotone voice reading off of a sheet of paper. I prefer a more high paced presentation that doesn't cause drool to form at the corners of my mouth.

You are correct, IF the content is good, there's nothing wrong with a flashy presentation. Only problem is, in today's televised world, there is NO source I am aware of that consistently delivers both. Occasionally delivers both, yes... but consistently delivers? 'fraid not, its generally one or the other

[WildBlueSooner]

Although when I am watching news (BBC) I am entertained enough by the stories of the day..I have never had a craving for more flash from them.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by spectrrr

*whistles innocently* It's a public forum

Downloading copyrighted materials such as dvd/blu-ray movies and music which is not made publicly available without a purchase cost is different, however there's nothing wrong/illegal with downloading tv programing. It's already public domain since it's being broadcast on open airwaves which means copyright doesn't apply unless you in turn are trying to resell/profit from it.

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

FOX doenst give news? Last time I watched FOX, it was news. And i wasnt entertained by the news they were giving.

Technically me telling you that the sun rose in the east and Tom Cruise is a Scientologist classifieds as "news" too, that doesn't mean actually news.

It's not news if it's not investigated and reported in an open unbiased manner and Fox isn't particularly well noted for practicing that style of journalism. At least outside the US, they're known more for being the biased public mouth piece of the Bush Administration's policy wonks than for reputable reporting. All things considered, being perceived as the propaganda dept for an extremely unpopular president is hardly a ringing endorsement of your journalism integrity. Fox as ALOT of work to do if they want to salvage their reputation as a serious news organization, most of the world considers then naught more than a bad joke.

[spectrrr]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Downloading copyrighted materials such as dvd/blu-ray movies and music which is not made publicly available without a purchase cost is different, however there's nothing wrong/illegal with downloading tv programing. It's already public domain since it's being broadcast on open airwaves which means copyright doesn't apply unless you in turn are trying to resell/profit from it.

Tell that to the lawyers that briefly harassed a friend of mine for downloading 3 episodes of Prison Break a few years back. He wasn't running the IP filter I use

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Technically me telling you that the sun rose in the east and Tom Cruise is a Scientologist classifieds as "news" too, that doesn't mean actually news.

It's not news if it's not investigated and reported in an open unbiased manner and Fox isn't particularly well noted for practicing that style of journalism. At least outside the US, they're known more for being the biased public mouth piece of the Bush Administration's policy wonks than for reputable reporting. All things considered, being perceived as the propaganda dept for an extremely unpopular president is hardly a ringing endorsement of your journalism integrity. Fox as ALOT of work to do if they want to salvage their reputation as a serious news organization, most of the world considers then naught more than a bad joke.

I think you need to clarify which point you are arguing, they seem to be a little muddled together.

1) That FOX is biased towards the right. My response: no question, you are correct. Just as the rest of the networks are equally biased towards the left. Don't hate on FOX for that unless you also plan on hating on the other networks for being biased the other way.

Since we're talking about "fair" and "accurate" reporting, do be careful with the Bush jabs. I consider all the other networks to be the propaganda department for our current airhead, and could argue that their journalistic reputation with the "right" half of the political world is just as bad as FOX with the "left". People voted for change, but mark my words, they didn't get it. In a few years, I promise you he will have done just as much damage as Bush did, if not more *shudder*.... In other words, try to leave the politics out of a subject that has two sides to the political coin, neither of which we should be discussing here. *envisions a warning from Peter in his future*

2) That FOX does not actually broadcast well investigated and reported news in an unbiased manner. My response: YUP, no argument there. just don't forget all the other networks. Just cause a network broadcasts the news you like to hear doesn't make it any more accurate than the network that broadcasts the news you don't like to hear. In reality, I don't think there is a single USA based network that broadcasts FAIR, UNBIASED, ACCURATE news. "left", "right", doesn't matter... its still sh!t, with a different perfume sprayed on it.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

It's not news if it's not investigated and reported in an open unbiased manner and Fox isn't particularly well noted for practicing that style of journalism. At least outside the US, they're known more for being the biased public mouth piece of the Bush Administration's policy wonks than for reputable reporting. All things considered, being perceived as the propaganda dept for an extremely unpopular president is hardly a ringing endorsement of your journalism integrity. Fox as ALOT of work to do if they want to salvage their reputation as a serious news organization, most of the world considers then naught more than a bad joke.

Funny thing is that most who tell you that FOX is biased and not reputable will also tell you that they themselves never watched it, they simply "heard" from their friend, who heard from his pregnant girlfriend, who heard from her way too liberal college professor who got her pregnant, who heard ir from his boyfriend, who heard... You get the picture. Kids play this game called "broken phone", too bad so many adults still do.

You're absolutely right about perception, its the keyword to this discussion.

I start my day with various Russian news streams, then move over to San Francisco Chron (as left as it gets), then NY Daily News (left again), MSN (still very left) and only then FOX cable (mostly financial news coverage and some prime time).

If there is anything biased on FOX I would LOVE for anyone to point it out to me, for every right winger they ALWAYS have a left winger chime in, if that's not "unbiased" then I have no idea what qualifies. It is their company policy to split the views presented 50/50 and they actually stick to it. Name ANY other news media outlet that does that, here or abroad. After reading all the left leaning "news", I find FOX unbiased and very refreshing. Although sometimes too soft when taking on some issues or people. IMO.

Any specific recent news item you can point to where you felt FOX did not cover it properly? TIA.

But as you said, its the perception. And not reality that FOX is biased.

And BTW, I am absolutely sure that if I start watching BBC (again), I WILL find problems with their coverage as well, and quickly so. Just start with their well known anti-semitic stance, main reason I stopped watching them some time ago. If that's your definition of "truth" and "balance", then I can easily see why you (you and "the world") and I disagree on what "news" means. The only "truth" BBC reports on is EPL score lines, but I get much better coverage of that elsewhere.