Apple addressing security concerns.

[Subvet642]

It seems to me that Apple is being forced to create something that doesn't exist yet; something that will, metaphorically, slit their own throats in a business sense. That goes far beyond anything that the 4th Amendment allows. I say let the FBI do their own fuggin' work and not force someone else to do it for them.

[EC Ken]

"A Dangerous Precedent

Rather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority." TC

This is the part that gets me... Not the first time US government used it to compel Apple to comply. Oct 2014 https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...e-oakland.html

So maybe it's not unprecedented.....

Still love Apple and their products.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by EC Ken

"A Dangerous Precedent

Rather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority." TC

This is the part that gets me... Not the first time US government used it to compel Apple to comply. Oct 2014 https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...e-oakland.html

So maybe it's not unprecedented.....

Still love Apple and their products.

Maybe Apple should do what the government does when they receive a Freedom of Information request: charge an outrageous amount of money in order to frustrate it; perhaps charge what is costs to develop the operating system itself and estimated loss in future sales. A few billion should cover it.

[EC Ken]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Maybe Apple should do what the government does when they receive a Freedom of Information request: charge an outrageous amount of money in order to frustrate it; perhaps charge what is costs to develop the operating system itself and estimated loss in future sales. A few billion should cover it.

That might do it....

Pretty soon the bad guys are going to use the US Mail, at least they will know when their messages are being looked at.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

It seems to me that Apple is being forced to create something that doesn't exist yet; something that will, metaphorically, slit their own throats in a business sense. That goes far beyond anything that the 4th Amendment allows. I say let the FBI do their own fuggin' work and not force someone else to do it for them.

I agree and no tech company should be compelled to create a back door on their products.

That being said, I'd just about bet the NSA already has the info and this is a rouse to pretend they don't have as much intel on the phone as they do.

I would expect/hope any legal challenge to compel manufacturers to have a back door in their products will shot down at every level of court.

I believe when Apple complied with the Govt in earlier cases, the back door was already built into their product, but supposedly is not in the current releases.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

It seems to me that Apple is being forced to create something that doesn't exist yet; something that will, metaphorically, slit their own throats in a business sense. That goes far beyond anything that the 4th Amendment allows. I say let the FBI do their own fuggin' work and not force someone else to do it for them.

This.
And what stops Apple from moving the rest of their operation to China?
Circumvention being the child of Necessity, this whole deal pretty much forces someone to play a hand.