2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by icehog3

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/88...clemens-denied

Gossage and Eckersley piping up about this is irony at its finest.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Gossage and Eckersley piping up about this is irony at its finest.

Backround, please....What were Eckersley and Gossage's "vices"?

[gorob23]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Backround, please....What were Eckersley and Gossage's "vices"?

They hated the cold! They played them game the right way....

Rob

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Backround, please....What were Eckersley and Gossage's "vices"?

Gossage was long rumored to doctor the ball, and since apparently all we need now our allegations...

But more to the point. Both Gossage and Eckersley were in that Oakland clubhouse (Eckersley more so than Gossage) when the Bash Brothers & Co. were doing their thing (and both benefiting might I add). I won't go so far as to say that they were complicit by their silence, but if they didn't speak up then, they come off as self-righteous b!tches sounding off 20 years later.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Gossage was long rumored to doctor the ball, and since apparently all we need now our allegations...

*are* not *our*. Blasted 15 minute time limit edit.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Gossage was long rumored to doctor the ball, and since apparently all we need now our allegations...

But more to the point. Both Gossage and Eckersley were in that Oakland clubhouse (Eckersley more so than Gossage) when the Bash Brothers & Co. were doing their thing (and both benefiting might I add). I won't go so far as to say that they were complicit by their silence, but if they didn't speak up then, they come off as self-righteous b!tches sounding off 20 years later.

Thanks, Stephen.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Thanks, Stephen.

No problem, boss. I know I'm in the minority in all of this, but I must say, it is a a tad entertaining to see the BWAA voters catch some blowback over how this has been handled.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Stephen

No problem, boss. I know I'm in the minority in all of this, but I must say, it is a a tad entertaining to see the BWAA voters catch some blowback over how this has been handled.

Yup, I am no fan of the writers associatrion either.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Gossage was long rumored to doctor the ball, and since apparently all we need now our allegations...

But more to the point. Both Gossage and Eckersley were in that Oakland clubhouse (Eckersley more so than Gossage) when the Bash Brothers & Co. were doing their thing (and both benefiting might I add). I won't go so far as to say that they were complicit by their silence, but if they didn't speak up then, they come off as self-righteous b!tches sounding off 20 years later.

To be fair I've never heard of Gossage doctoring the ball.
Also, Gossage didn't get to Oakland until 92' and left in 93'.
92' was Canseco's last year in Oakland, as he was traded at the deadline.
In 93',Gossage's last year, Mcguire only played 27 games for the A's.
I understand your point of "all we need now are allegations", and I'll give you your gripe with Eckersley, but to lump Gossage in with to your argument, is painting with too broad a brush.

I'm glad you bring up the bash brothers.
It seems to me, a lot of people think the steroids era started in 98, when Sosa and McGuire both broke the record.
I clearly remember allegations against McGuire, Canseco and the like, going back to 87' when Mcguire hit 49 HR as a rookie, and 88' when Canseco became the first member of the 40/40 club.
I wonder why the writers haven't held steroids against players that played in the late 80's - early 90's?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

To be fair I've never heard of Gossage doctoring the ball.
Also, Gossage didn't get to Oakland until 92' and left in 93'.
92' was Canseco's last year in Oakland, as he was traded at the deadline.
In 93',Gossage's last year, Mcguire only played 27 games for the A's.
I understand your point of "all we need now are allegations", and I'll give you your gripe with Eckersley, but to lump Gossage in with to your argument, is painting with too broad a brush.

Which is more than enough time with a ballclub to have known what was happening is a pretty safe assumption to make, wouldn't you say?

Originally Posted by jonumberone

I'm glad you bring up the bash brothers.
It seems to me, a lot of people think the steroids era started in 98, when Sosa and McGuire both broke the record.
I clearly remember allegations against McGuire, Canseco and the like, going back to 87' when Mcguire hit 49 HR as a rookie, and 88' when Canseco became the first member of the 40/40 club.
I wonder why the writers haven't held steroids against players that played in the late 80's - early 90's?

Yeah, there's a lot of sports writers out there with egg on their face. They either:

1. Sucked at their job and were oblivious as to what was going on
2. Knew what was going on and turned a blind eye, thus making them sucky at their job AND hypocrites

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Gossage was long rumored to doctor the ball, and since apparently all we need now our allegations...

But more to the point. Both Gossage and Eckersley were in that Oakland clubhouse (Eckersley more so than Gossage) when the Bash Brothers & Co. were doing their thing (and both benefiting might I add). I won't go so far as to say that they were complicit by their silence, but if they didn't speak up then, they come off as self-righteous b!tches sounding off 20 years later.

I don't know about Gossage, but Gaylord Perry flat out admitted to doctoring balls in his autobiography, yet he made it in the Hall.