Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3

[icehog3]

I, er, uh......I am going to the gym to hit chest.

[the nub]

Originally Posted by icehog3

My last (and next cycle) was:

LG Sciences M1D
ForeRunner Alpha Mass

can I ask what your gains were like on M1D?

any sides?

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

PM if you prefer

[DBall]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Like snorting bath salts or smoking potpurri? Or better yet, who's the first dude who came up with butt-chugging? I mean seriously, how does this happen?

Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is...

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DBall

Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is...

Believe me, I wish I didn't know what it was...

On a different note, anyone have an opinion to offer in regards to Reebok Zigs? I need a new pair of workout shoes, and there's several pairs on sale right now. Yes, I know they're hideous looking, but I'm not entering a fashion contest with them.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by the nub

can I ask what your gains were like on M1D?

any sides?

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

PM if you prefer

Gains in strength were significant on all lifts.

No side effects of note.

Not sure what the third question means, please clarify and I will do my best to answer.

[the nub]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Gains in strength were significant on all lifts.

No side effects of note.

Not sure what the third question means, please clarify and I will do my best to answer.

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

Post cycle therapy- some guys use an anti-estrogen or test booster when coming off a PH cycle

On cycle support- some guys take precautionary supps- either proprietary or things like hawthorn berry- to prevent liver damage since a lot of PH are taxing on the liver.

thanks for the response

[Bill86]

Originally Posted by DBall

Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is...

This x100....*shudders*

Originally Posted by Stephen

On a different note, anyone have an opinion to offer in regards to Reebok Zigs? I need a new pair of workout shoes, and there's several pairs on sale right now. Yes, I know they're hideous looking, but I'm not entering a fashion contest with them.

I saw those actually, and tried them on...Not a fan. I was looking for a new pair of shoes but eh...either I'm not with "the times" or those shoes were terribly weird and uncomfortable. They do look goofy as sh*t that's for sure.

Let me elaborate a bit on the "not a fan". When the shoes bend in your step they feel VERY off to me. I didn't like it at all.

[Ender]

Ab exercise...sucks. I tried starting it today...and hate it!

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by the nub

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

Post cycle therapy- some guys use an anti-estrogen or test booster when coming off a PH cycle

On cycle support- some guys take precautionary supps- either proprietary or things like hawthorn berry- to prevent liver damage since a lot of PH are taxing on the liver.

thanks for the response

Gotcha.

I used to take anti-estrogen supps when I stopped the PHs, but I haven't in a few years and don't seem to suffer any ill effects for it.

Only issue I have ever had with the PH cycles has been elevated creatinine levels, but never to the point where my doctor thought it was a problem, and was usually solved my raising my water intake. I have never taken Hawthorn Berry, but use Taurine, Zinc Picolonate, Saw Palmetto and Coenzyme Q-10.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DBall

Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is...

Originally Posted by Bill86

This x100....*shudders*

Just because two of you commented on it...

Think alcohol enema. Ingesting alcohol anally vs. orally bypasses the digestive and filtration system in the body, making absorption into the bloodstream much quicker and potent.

Originally Posted by Bill86

I saw those actually, and tried them on...Not a fan. I was looking for a new pair of shoes but eh...either I'm not with "the times" or those shoes were terribly weird and uncomfortable. They do look goofy as sh*t that's for sure.

Let me elaborate a bit on the "not a fan". When the shoes bend in your step they feel VERY off to me. I didn't like it at all.

Thanks for the input. I admit that I haven't even tried a pair on yet, just had a buddy tell me that they had a sale going on out at the mall and I should check them out.

[Bill86]

Well that was the trial run of Muscle Marinade. First time with any of the DMAA PWO's so I took 3/4 of a scoop. I personally don't get why it was banned, I didn't feel very different at all. In fact to me this feels like "cleaner" pure energy. My lifts weren't really any better and it made me sweat like a banshee but overall I got a good workout in.

I'll have to give it a few more tries and see what I think. I can say I couldn't imagine taking a whole sh*tton of this stuff so it's probably cost effective. I haven't crashed yet, we'll see. Tastes good though. I'll do 1 full scoop next time.

[DBall]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Just because two of you commented on it...

Think alcohol enema. Ingesting alcohol anally vs. orally bypasses the digestive and filtration system in the body, making absorption into the bloodstream much quicker and potent.

After the above description, you should never say the following again:

Originally Posted by Stephen

Thanks for the input.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DBall

After the above description, you should never say the following again:

You know how difficult it is to stand on your head when you get to be my age?

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Stephen

You know how difficult it is to stand on your head when you get to be my age?

Perhaps you would prefer if I stood on your head?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Perhaps you would prefer if I stood on your head?

*checks name*

Nope, not Devan.

[RobR1205]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Gotcha.
I used to take anti-estrogen supps when I stopped the PHs, but I haven't in a few years and don't seem to suffer any ill effects for it.

I did this for a while. Made me strong like a bull, and allowed me to gain a lot of muscle weight, but I think I'm going to stay away from Test boosters and Anti Estrogens. Loved the result, but had one nasty side effect for me: Gynecomastia due to the huge increase in testosterone (yes, I know, quite embarrassing). It's a common condition for men, but my doctor said that these supplements likely contributed to it, especially at such a young age. I am currently scheduling surgery to remove the tissue that formed as a result. Works for some, but just wanted to throw that out there for anyone who has not yet dabbled in the realm of T boosters.

[the nub]

Originally Posted by Ender

Ab exercise...sucks. I tried starting it today...and hate it!

I do ab work strictly for core strength. Ab definition is built in the kitchen.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by RobR1205

Loved the result, but had one nasty side effect for me: Gynecomastia due to the huge increase in testosterone (yes, I know, quite embarrassing).

Did you try taking Anastrozole or another estrogen inhibitor?

[RobR1205]

Unfortunately, I developed the hard, painful (glandular) gynecomastia not the fatty kind that some medicines of anti-estrogens can help shrink down. I've done some serious researching, as has my doctor, and it would seem that at this stage in the game (six months, and still hasn't gotten better, even off supps) I'm going to have to go under the knife . Luckily my insurance will cover it which is a relief when I saw how much the surgery can cost!

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by RobR1205

Luckily my insurance will cover it which is a relief when I saw how much the surgery can cost!

3-5K?