What should I try first?

lovenhim · 08-15-2010, 01:38 PM

Hello everyone. I was looking at my local smoke shop and I was talking with them about me being a newbie to cigars and they are offering me an interesting deal. They are offering me a Rothschild style cigar in either a natural or maduro wrapper in the brands of CAO, Hoya, or Punch. I can try any 1 of those three brands in a Rothschild style with one or the other wrapper on it. It would be a free sample. Now, which one do I choose?

NCRadioMan · 08-15-2010, 01:50 PM

Sounds like you have a good shop. Punch Maduro Rothschild.

lovenhim · 08-15-2010, 01:55 PM

It is a small shop. It was a walk in humidor in the back that is about 15x20 in size. Now about a lighter, I read in the book called "The Complete Idiots Guide To Cigars" that it is ok to light a cigar with a Bic disposable lighter because it is butane. What they said was if a $1 Bic will do the trick you do not "need" a $50 blue flame torch. They also mentioned long wood matches to light a cigar.

AlohaStyle · 08-15-2010, 02:08 PM

Yes you definitely want butane in a lighter. Not sure if the $1 Bic is butane, but Walmart and Rite Aid sell a Ronson JetLite single flame torch lighter for around $3 and many BOTL's (including myself) swear by them. They are cheap and you rarely have issues with them. In a lot of Walmarts, they are sold in the tobacco aisle... mine sells them up front in a check out line that has all their tobacco products.

http://www.ronsonusa.com/jetlite.aspx

JaKaacH · 08-15-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Sounds like you have a good shop. Punch Maduro Rothschild.

X2
Good Smoke

PM sent, I have a Ronson for you..

kelmac07 · 08-15-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Sounds like you have a good shop. Punch Maduro Rothschild.

T.G · 08-15-2010, 02:31 PM

Depends which CAO - they have a number of lines.

CAO's are a bit more complex than Punch & Hoyo. Whereas the Punch and Hoyos are more traditional and consistent. I personally wold probably take the CAO if it's a Brazilia or and Italia, but not too many of their other blends. A Hoyo Dark Sumatra would be another good one.

Not all butane is created equal. Bic's are fine, as they use very clean gas. Some of the other disposable lighters out there, eh, not so much. If using a wooden match, make sure you wait until the igniter chemicals have burned off completely from the tip. Oh, and some wooden matches are made from very soft woods that are full of sap and pitch and might taint your cigar's flavor. You'll know when you smell the match burning if it's going to be a problem.

There are some sub $5 torch lighters out there that aren't bad, just don't fill them with crap butane. And, for gods sake, never put scented butane in them.

JaKaacH · 08-15-2010, 02:32 PM

Got your PM. Ronson lighter should go out tomorrow.

lovenhim · 08-15-2010, 02:54 PM

Crap butane? OK who make a quality butane for the Ronson lighter? I will see what my local smoke shop has. Now for a Zippo lighter they only carry Zippo fluid and not Ronsonol in the yellow bottle, so I wonder if they even carry butane.

T.G · 08-15-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lovenhim

Crap butane? OK who make a quality butane for the Ronson lighter? I will see what my local smoke shop has. Now for a Zippo lighter they only carry Zippo fluid and not Ronsonol in the yellow bottle, so I wonder if they even carry butane.

Lava and Vector are good butanes. Both 5x times refined. Lucerne, Neon, Colibri, Ronson are all open to debate, and often are.

I don't know the names of some of the really crappy butanes, but you see them at gas station counters in little clear refill cans.

Zippo lighter fluid is good. Ronsonol is not. Ronsonol burns very oily, odorous and dirty. If you use a liquid fueled zippo to light a cigar, you would want to use zippo fluid as it burns much cleaner.

Ronsonol is good for removing glue and stickers though.

dwoodward · 08-15-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

CAO's are a bit more complex than Punch & Hoyo. Whereas the Punch and Hoyos are more traditional and consistent. I personally wold probably take the CAO if it's a Brazilia or and Italia, but not too many of their other blends.

Yes! And the CAO Black is another fine beauty.

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Originally Posted by T.G

+ Not all butane is created equal.
+ Just don't fill them with crap butane.
+ And, for gods sake, never put scented butane in them.

Yes, Yes, and YES... I use Vector Butane the I ordered from CI. Its very clean.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/p...2&stext=Vector

GL mate!

TripleF · 08-15-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JaKaacH

Got your PM. Ronson lighter should go out tomorrow.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh boy, this brings back memories. This might sting loveinhim.

lovenhim · 08-15-2010, 04:39 PM

OK explain, memories/sting?

My local smoke shop has Zippo butane in stock and they also sell the Zippo Blu butane lighters.

darkleeroy · 08-15-2010, 04:42 PM

I use a Bic for everything except the beach. None of the dozens (hundreds?) of cigars I light with a Bic, I couldn't taste anything. They are butane lighters. I do recommend a torch for the times when your smoking outdoors. Beach wind is not fun lighting a cigar in.

Although Zippo>Ronsonol, I have tasted zippo fluid when I've lit my cigars, if just faintly.

Finally I would go with either the CAO or Hoyo in Maduro. Neither of them are going to be overwhelming for a new smoker. And of the two, I would basically choose the prettier band of the two.

When I'm daring, I light my cigars with a Silva (Brunton) Helios Windproof Storm Lighter...

BTcigars · 08-15-2010, 06:09 PM

Check out Jetline lighters. Good quality and pretty inexpensive, about $20-$25 a lighter. It's more expensive than a Ronson but a lot cheaper than a Xikar.

Also, my vote is for a CAO

Chingas · 08-15-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JaKaacH

PM sent, I have a Ronson for you..

. This is definitely a bad idea!!!

lovenhim · 08-15-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

. This is definitely a bad idea!!!

OK I do not get the joke, what is a bad idea here?

Chingas · 08-15-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lovenhim

OK I do not get the joke, what is a bad idea here?

Patience Brother. You'll find out soon enough, maybe...

lovenhim · 08-15-2010, 06:34 PM

LOL too funny. Hmmm now I am curious. Patience you say....I have that I just want it right now....thats all.

LOL

JaKaacH · 08-15-2010, 07:43 PM

I have already told him there would be a couple smokes along for the ride, so he can test drive the lighter.

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08-15-2010, 01:38 PM	#1
lovenhim Still Watching My Back Join Date: Aug 2010 First Name: Paul Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 64 Trading: (0)	What should I try first? Hello everyone. I was looking at my local smoke shop and I was talking with them about me being a newbie to cigars and they are offering me an interesting deal. They are offering me a Rothschild style cigar in either a natural or maduro wrapper in the brands of CAO, Hoya, or Punch. I can try any 1 of those three brands in a Rothschild style with one or the other wrapper on it. It would be a free sample. Now, which one do I choose? __________________ "Fire up the Quattro" - Gene Hunt

08-15-2010, 01:50 PM	#2
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: What should I try first? Sounds like you have a good shop. Punch Maduro Rothschild. __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

08-15-2010, 01:55 PM	#3
lovenhim Still Watching My Back Join Date: Aug 2010 First Name: Paul Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 64 Trading: (0)	Re: What should I try first? It is a small shop. It was a walk in humidor in the back that is about 15x20 in size. Now about a lighter, I read in the book called "The Complete Idiots Guide To Cigars" that it is ok to light a cigar with a Bic disposable lighter because it is butane. What they said was if a $1 Bic will do the trick you do not "need" a $50 blue flame torch. They also mentioned long wood matches to light a cigar. __________________ "Fire up the Quattro" - Gene Hunt

08-15-2010, 02:08 PM	#4
AlohaStyle Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: WA Posts: 1,168 Trading: (40)	Re: What should I try first? Yes you definitely want butane in a lighter. Not sure if the $1 Bic is butane, but Walmart and Rite Aid sell a Ronson JetLite single flame torch lighter for around $3 and many BOTL's (including myself) swear by them. They are cheap and you rarely have issues with them. In a lot of Walmarts, they are sold in the tobacco aisle... mine sells them up front in a check out line that has all their tobacco products. http://www.ronsonusa.com/jetlite.aspx

08-15-2010, 02:31 PM	#7
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,557 Trading: (37)	Re: What should I try first? Depends which CAO - they have a number of lines. CAO's are a bit more complex than Punch & Hoyo. Whereas the Punch and Hoyos are more traditional and consistent. I personally wold probably take the CAO if it's a Brazilia or and Italia, but not too many of their other blends. A Hoyo Dark Sumatra would be another good one. Not all butane is created equal. Bic's are fine, as they use very clean gas. Some of the other disposable lighters out there, eh, not so much. If using a wooden match, make sure you wait until the igniter chemicals have burned off completely from the tip. Oh, and some wooden matches are made from very soft woods that are full of sap and pitch and might taint your cigar's flavor. You'll know when you smell the match burning if it's going to be a problem. There are some sub $5 torch lighters out there that aren't bad, just don't fill them with crap butane. And, for gods sake, never put scented butane in them.

08-15-2010, 02:32 PM	#8
JaKaacH ROCK Chalk JAYHAWK K U Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeff Location: Living in the golden age of ignorance in power. Posts: 1,363 Trading: (32)	Re: What should I try first? Got your PM. Ronson lighter should go out tomorrow. __________________ --Anger Management Graduate-- WHAT the F^#% you looking at???

08-15-2010, 02:54 PM	#9
lovenhim Still Watching My Back Join Date: Aug 2010 First Name: Paul Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 64 Trading: (0)	Re: What should I try first? Crap butane? OK who make a quality butane for the Ronson lighter? I will see what my local smoke shop has. Now for a Zippo lighter they only carry Zippo fluid and not Ronsonol in the yellow bottle, so I wonder if they even carry butane. __________________ "Fire up the Quattro" - Gene Hunt

08-15-2010, 04:39 PM	#13
lovenhim Still Watching My Back Join Date: Aug 2010 First Name: Paul Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 64 Trading: (0)	Re: What should I try first? OK explain, memories/sting? My local smoke shop has Zippo butane in stock and they also sell the Zippo Blu butane lighters. __________________ "Fire up the Quattro" - Gene Hunt Last edited by lovenhim; 08-15-2010 at 04:48 PM.

08-15-2010, 04:42 PM	#14
darkleeroy Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Josh Location: Miami, FL Posts: 318 Trading: (0)	Re: What should I try first? I use a Bic for everything except the beach. None of the dozens (hundreds?) of cigars I light with a Bic, I couldn't taste anything. They are butane lighters. I do recommend a torch for the times when your smoking outdoors. Beach wind is not fun lighting a cigar in. Although Zippo>Ronsonol, I have tasted zippo fluid when I've lit my cigars, if just faintly. Finally I would go with either the CAO or Hoyo in Maduro. Neither of them are going to be overwhelming for a new smoker. And of the two, I would basically choose the prettier band of the two. When I'm daring, I light my cigars with a Silva (Brunton) Helios Windproof Storm Lighter... __________________ Last edited by darkleeroy; 08-15-2010 at 04:52 PM.

08-15-2010, 06:09 PM	#15
BTcigars Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 486 Trading: (1)	Re: What should I try first? Check out Jetline lighters. Good quality and pretty inexpensive, about $20-$25 a lighter. It's more expensive than a Ronson but a lot cheaper than a Xikar. Also, my vote is for a CAO __________________ Be sure to chek out my blog.

08-15-2010, 06:34 PM	#19
lovenhim Still Watching My Back Join Date: Aug 2010 First Name: Paul Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 64 Trading: (0)	Re: What should I try first? LOL too funny. Hmmm now I am curious. Patience you say....I have that I just want it right now....thats all. LOL __________________ "Fire up the Quattro" - Gene Hunt

08-15-2010, 07:43 PM	#20
JaKaacH ROCK Chalk JAYHAWK K U Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeff Location: Living in the golden age of ignorance in power. Posts: 1,363 Trading: (32)	Re: What should I try first? I have already told him there would be a couple smokes along for the ride, so he can test drive the lighter. DC# 9101 1288 8230 0279 0005 19 __________________ --Anger Management Graduate-- WHAT the F^#% you looking at???