White precipitate on cigar wrappers

cmitch · 02-18-2013, 10:47 AM

I visited a tobacco shop that I don't really find impressing. ALL cigars with cellophane had a white powdery precipitate on them. Apparently from using tap water in their humidifier instead of distilled water. I think this is 'hard water' precipitate. Opinions?

T.G · 02-18-2013, 11:12 AM

Yes, based on your description, it does sound like they might be using tap water with a high mineral content in the humidification system. The cigars closer to the humidifier would tend to display heavier or more deposits. Also, it tends to settle on the upward / outward facing of the cigar, similar to how dust would settle in a room, and, if you were to dig down to a lower layer in a box, you shouldn't find much in the way of these deposits.

While not terminal, it's not ideal for the cigars and might affect flavor over a long period of time. Obviously, cello and sealed boxes will be less vulnerable.

DaBear · 02-18-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cmitch

I visited a tobacco shop that I don't really find impressing. ALL cigars with cellophane had a white powdery precipitate on them. Apparently from using tap water in their humidifier instead of distilled water. I think this is 'hard water' precipitate. Opinions?

This happens at our Apex shop but not the main shop. I know we use distilled for both shops, the main difference is the humidifier. I've noticed shops using humidifiers that do a thick mist(like in the apex shop) that you can actually see as opposed to shops(like our main shop) that use humidifiers that do an almost impossible to see mist, the stuff just gets on the sticks. I've never noticed any difference between the two shops as far as sticks smoking differently.

T.G · 02-18-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBear

This happens at our Apex shop but not the main shop. I know we use distilled for both shops, the main difference is the humidifier. I've noticed shops using humidifiers that do a thick mist(like in the apex shop) that you can actually see as opposed to shops(like our main shop) that use humidifiers that do an almost impossible to see mist, the stuff just gets on the sticks. I've never noticed any difference between the two shops as far as sticks smoking differently.

In and of itself, distilled water should leave no deposits regardless of the mist, as it is pure water. Now, if you have a very high particulate count in the air, it could be picking some of that up and depositing it, or the humidifier tank and internals might be contaminating the distilled ware and are in need of cleaning. It's also possible that something is reacting with the water and discoloring based on that.

688sonarmen · 02-18-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

In and of itself, distilled water should leave no deposits regardless of the mist, as it is pure water. Now, if you have a very high particulate count in the air, it could be picking some of that up and depositing it, or the humidifier tank and internals might be contaminating the distilled ware and are in need of cleaning. It's also possible that something is reacting with the water and discoloring based on that.

Do people smoke in the humidor?

DaBear · 02-18-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 688sonarmen

Do people smoke in the humidor?

Nope. Its actually harder to get smoke in that humidor than in the main shop as you have to go from the lounge, to the non smoking retail area, and then into the humidor to get in there.

ninjavanish · 02-18-2013, 09:26 PM

So here's the real deal: I've worked in 4 retail cigar stores and a cigar warehouse. All had humidification systems, some more effective than others. All have had issues with what I call "White Haze". The truth is that it happens almost everywhere. I've used reverse osmosis, water softening systems, charcoal filters, you name it. It just happens. It's just atomized water settling on cello/other surfaces. Good tobacconists recognize this and are attentive to their inventory and keep their product that is in cello wiped down every day. I am a stickler for it at the five stores I'm responsible for. Un-cello'd cigars pose a challenge because they are more fragile, but we separate those into a humidified case of their own, or pay extra attention to them in the main humidor. There's really nothing that should prevent you from smoking a cigar with the haze on it, but it's visually unappealing. It often wipes of with ease. Perhaps your local B&M could use some help?

cmitch · 02-20-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

So here's the real deal: I've worked in 4 retail cigar stores and a cigar warehouse. All had humidification systems, some more effective than others. All have had issues with what I call "White Haze". The truth is that it happens almost everywhere. I've used reverse osmosis, water softening systems, charcoal filters, you name it. It just happens. It's just atomized water settling on cello/other surfaces. Good tobacconists recognize this and are attentive to their inventory and keep their product that is in cello wiped down every day. I am a stickler for it at the five stores I'm responsible for. Un-cello'd cigars pose a challenge because they are more fragile, but we separate those into a humidified case of their own, or pay extra attention to them in the main humidor. There's really nothing that should prevent you from smoking a cigar with the haze on it, but it's visually unappealing. It often wipes of with ease. Perhaps your local B&M could use some help?

This isn't TC but Tob Ex on 72. I've never heard anyone complain about their cigars as far as smoking them goes. They had some Anejo 55's from '10 that I was looking at and some Hemingway Classics from about '08. I only go in TC once a year (BIL's B'Day) and don't enjoy that very much. My man cave is 1/2 done so I should be set for a place to play cards in a month since KW has banned about any enjoyment you could have in his place.

ninjavanish · 02-20-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cmitch

This isn't TC but Tob Ex on 72. I've never heard anyone complain about their cigars as far as smoking them goes. They had some Anejo 55's from '10 that I was looking at and some Hemingway Classics from about '08. I only go in TC once a year (BIL's B'Day) and don't enjoy that very much. My man cave is 1/2 done so I should be set for a place to play cards in a month since KW has banned about any enjoyment you could have in his place.

Im not sure what is sadder, what you said, or the fact that I understood all the abbreviations!

SvilleKid · 02-20-2013, 08:39 PM

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Im not sure what is sadder, what you said, or the fact that I understood all the abbreviations!

Sadly for the cigar public of the Quad Cities, so did I. Started to make a response, but KW unworthy!!

xxx_busa · 03-06-2013, 06:01 PM

interesting - dry vapor............

02-18-2013, 10:47 AM	#1
cmitch Heads up get down Join Date: Oct 2010 First Name: Clayton Location: NW Alabama by the river Posts: 2,720 Trading: (25)	White precipitate on cigar wrappers I visited a tobacco shop that I don't really find impressing. ALL cigars with cellophane had a white powdery precipitate on them. Apparently from using tap water in their humidifier instead of distilled water. I think this is 'hard water' precipitate. Opinions? __________________ No matter what one's status is in society, cigars are the great equalizer where the affluent and common share a love for the leaf. - Me.

02-18-2013, 11:12 AM	#2
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,557 Trading: (37)	Re: White precipitate on cigar wrappers Yes, based on your description, it does sound like they might be using tap water with a high mineral content in the humidification system. The cigars closer to the humidifier would tend to display heavier or more deposits. Also, it tends to settle on the upward / outward facing of the cigar, similar to how dust would settle in a room, and, if you were to dig down to a lower layer in a box, you shouldn't find much in the way of these deposits. While not terminal, it's not ideal for the cigars and might affect flavor over a long period of time. Obviously, cello and sealed boxes will be less vulnerable.

02-18-2013, 09:26 PM	#7
ninjavanish Feeling at Home Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Trust me, your humi isn't big enough. Posts: 507 Trading: (16)	Re: White precipitate on cigar wrappers So here's the real deal: I've worked in 4 retail cigar stores and a cigar warehouse. All had humidification systems, some more effective than others. All have had issues with what I call "White Haze". The truth is that it happens almost everywhere. I've used reverse osmosis, water softening systems, charcoal filters, you name it. It just happens. It's just atomized water settling on cello/other surfaces. Good tobacconists recognize this and are attentive to their inventory and keep their product that is in cello wiped down every day. I am a stickler for it at the five stores I'm responsible for. Un-cello'd cigars pose a challenge because they are more fragile, but we separate those into a humidified case of their own, or pay extra attention to them in the main humidor. There's really nothing that should prevent you from smoking a cigar with the haze on it, but it's visually unappealing. It often wipes of with ease. Perhaps your local B&M could use some help?

03-06-2013, 06:01 PM	#11
xxx_busa Still Watching My Back Join Date: Mar 2011 First Name: Mark Location: Irvine Posts: 52 Trading: (0)	Re: White precipitate on cigar wrappers interesting - dry vapor............