Do Our Prejudices Show? - Page 2

OLS · 01-09-2013, 08:15 AM

I quit reading their reviews and stopped buying their magazine when I realized finally that
they don't really SAY anything. They tend to re-use the same tired phrases and use a
large portion of the already tiny blurb to tell me the wrapper was rumpled or the cigar LOOKED
uniform. Who the hell cares how it looks? Its clear they are just trying to fill space in a
review that is already woefully short. I liked Treasure Island very, very, very, very, very, very,
very, very, very, very, very, much. Its about a pirate who owns this island that has some
treasure on it.

Couple that crap with the whole lifestyle yacht coverage and 10,000 dollar pens and you
can take ALL of it and cram it. I don't really care WHAT the factor is that causes them
to sell out and say such useless things. I only know they do it.

iaMkcK · 01-09-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

often the hype makes the first experience less than stellar, the cigar doesn't live up to expectations.

This has been every experience I've had with CCs...

Skywalker · 01-09-2013, 10:59 AM

Tell us how you really feel, Brad!

Emjaysmash · 01-09-2013, 11:41 AM

Nice topic Todd. Might make it fun next herf if we all exchanged a blind stick and did a review.

RevSmoke · 01-09-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

Nice topic Todd. Might make it fun next herf if we all exchanged a blind stick and did a review.

I was thinking about posting up a blind review option. This would be an interesting thing. I'd get 4 different cigars and 6 different reviewer. All the cigars would be the same size, but kept in 4 different sample baggies. Each baggie/sample would contain between 3 & 5 cigars. That way, someone tries a few of the same cigar to get a true "taste" of each. As I am not independently wealthy, this would cost each reviewer $75.

Funny thing is, I thought about this earlier - I already have the cigars picked out. I know the cost because I figured out what to buy, shipping to me and then shipping out to others. That cost would get everybody 15 decent cigars. These are all cigars I personally enjoy and would have no problem spending the money to buy them.

But, I don't think anybody would want to spend $75 to get in on a blind tast test.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

Emjaysmash · 01-09-2013, 12:34 PM

Yeah, excellent idea but you're right, I wouldnt spend money on a blind taste test.

Weelok · 01-09-2013, 12:43 PM

Hmm I'd be interested in paying to participate in the blind taste test.

RevSmoke · 01-09-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

I was thinking about posting up a blind review option. This would be an interesting thing. I'd get 4 different cigars and 6 different reviewer. All the cigars would be the same size, but kept in 4 different sample baggies. Each baggie/sample would contain between 3 & 5 cigars. That way, someone tries a few of the same cigar to get a true "taste" of each. As I am not independently wealthy, this would cost each reviewer $75.

Funny thing is, I thought about this earlier - I already have the cigars picked out. I know the cost because I figured out what to buy, shipping to me and then shipping out to others. That cost would get everybody 15 decent cigars. These are all cigars I personally enjoy and would have no problem spending the money to buy them.

But, I don't think anybody would want to spend $75 to get in on a blind tast test.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

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Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

Yeah, excellent idea but you're right, I wouldnt spend money on a blind taste test.

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Originally Posted by Weelok

Hmm I'd be interested in paying to participate in the blind taste test.

But some might. Do I start such a thread? It'd definitely be a unique deal.

OLS · 01-09-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

Tell us how you really feel, Brad!

I always do, right? I used to buy that magazine religiously every two months
and I wanted to know about cuban cigars. But I wasn't learning too much about
cigars from that rag. Your average cigar review is what, 40 words? What is
this, cigar-twitter? I know what you are thinking...Brad, why don't YOU try to
trim the words down a bit?

Nah.

What used to get me the maddest was this typical line (from a 'blind' taste test.)
"The cigar shows signs of being poorly rolled, in fact, the whole box looks that way."

shilala · 01-09-2013, 01:22 PM

I'd be happy to put together a couple blind review fivers, Todd.
It's been a long time since I've done anything like this, I think the last was with the old value smokes I had put back for a few years. (They didn't fare well.)

If you have a list of smokes in mind, pm me. I'll do the best I can to match them up.
Even if we just do one reviewer at a time, that'd be fun. If you have a reviewer in mind, that'd be good. I think Jamie would do a good job, Brad would, too.

Whipper Snapper · 01-09-2013, 01:47 PM

Said before and said it again- I've always been interested in blind reviews/doing one.
Let me know if one comes up and the price, and I'd most likely be in.

jjirons69 · 01-09-2013, 01:51 PM

Blind taste test - for all those that want to give it a whirl, we already have an active thread. It's a lot of fun if you've never tried it.

Blind Taste Test

Weelok · 01-09-2013, 02:15 PM

I think what is being proposed is quite a bit different then the blind taste thread above. This is more of a blind review panel. I'm in for a new thread and pay to be a panel reviewer.

hazydat620 · 01-09-2013, 03:11 PM

Why so many sticks? we do a blind review on another forum with pipe tobacco and cigars. a fiver out of your personal stash would be enough I think. sending diff. vitolas of the same would be expensive. send him one vitola, get him interested, and he seeks out the others on his own if he enjoys it or just sticks with that one. he would in turn send out five of his own out of his humi. The only real cost to play should be the postage for each send. post everything here on your thread so everyone keeps everyone honest, and keeps interest with constant bumps.pics are always fun.

RevSmoke · 01-09-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jjirons69

Blind taste test - for all those that want to give it a whirl, we already have an active thread. It's a lot of fun if you've never tried it.

Blind Taste Test

I'd suggest that anybody who is interested in this, get in on this taste test.

Jamie, this isn't a replacement for that thread in any way shape or form.

RevSmoke · 01-09-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hazydat620

Why so many sticks? we do a blind review on another forum with pipe tobacco and cigars. a fiver out of your personal stash would be enough I think. sending diff. vitolas of the same would be expensive. send him one vitola, get him interested, and he seeks out the others on his own if he enjoys it or just sticks with that one. he would in turn send out five of his own out of his humi. The only real cost to play should be the postage for each send. post everything here on your thread so everyone keeps everyone honest, and keeps interest with constant bumps.pics are always fun.

This wouldn't be a blind taste test to get the reviewers to try something outside their own experience. This is beyond that. This is a review panel to get some perspective to all of us. Frankly, I have done exactly what you are stating, been the one sending out the sticks - been on the receiving end. Even did one where I sent out 5 different stick to 3 different people to see how they compared the same sticks. With one cigar of a particular vitola, sometimes there are issues, every once in a while a cigar escapes to get into our hands that is completely unsmokable. More than one cigar of a sample will hopefully alleviate that.

Hey, if you don't like the idea, you don't need to play.

mosesbotbol · 01-09-2013, 03:24 PM

I can say from being in many blind wine tasting, people are all over the place. There is prejudice at all levels of the experience. Just like people assume color implies certain characteristics. I've always want to drink or smoke with someone who is blind and get a feel for their perspective.

Tredegar · 01-09-2013, 04:37 PM

I like reading CA at the local B & M while having a smoke. Do their ratings count? Not really. It seems that they review many cigar lines that I have never heard of and will never try.

hazydat620 · 01-09-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Hey, if you don't like the idea, you don't need to play.

no,no,no, I think you took it the wrong way, it's not that I don't " like" your idea, I thought you were trying to get a feel for some ideas or feedback of what has worked in the past and what has not. I apologize, after reading through you post it seems it is a little different than a "taste" test.

RevSmoke · 01-09-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hazydat620

no,no,no, I think you took it the wrong way, it's not that I don't " like" your idea, I thought you were trying to get a feel for some ideas or feedback of what has worked in the past and what has not. I apologize, after reading through you post it seems it is a little different than a "taste" test.

Nota problem, it is forgiven.

If you, or anybody else is interested in getting in on this, look in on the other thread.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=60169

Peace of The Lord be with you.

01-09-2013, 08:15 AM	#21
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? I quit reading their reviews and stopped buying their magazine when I realized finally that they don't really *SAY* anything. They tend to re-use the same tired phrases and use a large portion of the already tiny blurb to tell me the wrapper was rumpled or the cigar LOOKED uniform. Who the hell cares how it looks? Its clear they are just trying to fill space in a review that is already woefully short. I liked Treasure Island very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, much. Its about a pirate who owns this island that has some treasure on it. Couple that crap with the whole lifestyle yacht coverage and 10,000 dollar pens and you can take ALL of it and cram it. I don't really care WHAT the factor is that causes them to sell out and say such useless things. I only know they do it.

01-09-2013, 10:59 AM	#23
Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? Tell us how you really feel, Brad! __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

01-09-2013, 11:41 AM	#24
Emjaysmash The Hebrew Hammer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: M.J. Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 7,025 Trading: (76)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? Nice topic Todd. Might make it fun next herf if we all exchanged a blind stick and did a review. __________________

01-09-2013, 12:34 PM	#26
Emjaysmash The Hebrew Hammer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: M.J. Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 7,025 Trading: (76)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? Yeah, excellent idea but you're right, I wouldnt spend money on a blind taste test. __________________

01-09-2013, 12:43 PM	#27
Weelok I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Jul 2011 First Name: Dave Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,106 Trading: (21)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? Hmm I'd be interested in paying to participate in the blind taste test.

01-09-2013, 01:22 PM	#30
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? I'd be happy to put together a couple blind review fivers, Todd. It's been a long time since I've done anything like this, I think the last was with the old value smokes I had put back for a few years. (They didn't fare well.) If you have a list of smokes in mind, pm me. I'll do the best I can to match them up. Even if we just do one reviewer at a time, that'd be fun. If you have a reviewer in mind, that'd be good. I think Jamie would do a good job, Brad would, too. __________________

01-09-2013, 01:47 PM	#31
Whipper Snapper 95% Banter 5% MMM Habanos Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Blake Location: Shawnee Posts: 1,037 Trading: (0)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? Said before and said it again- I've always been interested in blind reviews/doing one. Let me know if one comes up and the price, and I'd most likely be in. __________________ "I don't feel that smoking makes me ashamed, and therefore I mean to smoke to the glory of God." -Charles Spurgeon.

01-09-2013, 01:51 PM	#32
jjirons69 Haberdasher Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jamie Location: Chucktown, SC Posts: 4,120 Trading: (94)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? Blind taste test - for all those that want to give it a whirl, we already have an active thread. It's a lot of fun if you've never tried it. Blind Taste Test __________________ Somebody has to go back and get a chitload of dimes

01-09-2013, 02:15 PM	#33
Weelok I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Jul 2011 First Name: Dave Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,106 Trading: (21)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? I think what is being proposed is quite a bit different then the blind taste thread above. This is more of a blind review panel. I'm in for a new thread and pay to be a panel reviewer.

01-09-2013, 03:11 PM	#34
hazydat620 Still Watching My Back Join Date: Dec 2012 First Name: Chad(choad, schoad) Location: PDX, the great Northwest Posts: 241 Trading: (10)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? Why so many sticks? we do a blind review on another forum with pipe tobacco and cigars. a fiver out of your personal stash would be enough I think. sending diff. vitolas of the same would be expensive. send him one vitola, get him interested, and he seeks out the others on his own if he enjoys it or just sticks with that one. he would in turn send out five of his own out of his humi. The only real cost to play should be the postage for each send. post everything here on your thread so everyone keeps everyone honest, and keeps interest with constant bumps.pics are always fun. __________________ " Buy the ticket, take the ride"- Hunter S. Thompson

01-09-2013, 03:24 PM	#37
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? I can say from being in many blind wine tasting, people are all over the place. There is prejudice at all levels of the experience. Just like people assume color implies certain characteristics. I've always want to drink or smoke with someone who is blind and get a feel for their perspective. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

01-09-2013, 04:37 PM	#38
Tredegar Sing along with me Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 670 Trading: (9)	Re: Do Our Prejudices Show? I like reading CA at the local B & M while having a smoke. Do their ratings count? Not really. It seems that they review many cigar lines that I have never heard of and will never try.