No smoking on college campus?- Any place else?

Dukeuni · 08-28-2012, 05:28 PM

I am a alumni of Oregon State University. I was on a sports board today and found out that the ENTIRE Oregon State Campus has outlawed smoking of any kind. There is NO "smoking areas" for employees or staff. They have even outlawed smoking in your own vehicle (windows up and everything).

I had not heard about this being done before. I know there has been limitations on smoking within a certain distance from windows and building entrances, but I never heard of a complete, 100% ban on smoking on the entire campus.

This new rule really bothers me. There is nothing I like to do more when I visit the campus then light up a nice cigar and walk around campus to see the changes and remember my time at OSU.

I will continue to light up a cigar, but now I will always be looking out for "campus security" and I am sure some yuppy student will decide they need to "educate" me on the negative effects of smoking and that it is outlawed on campus.

http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/life...arting-sept-1/

hotreds · 08-28-2012, 06:10 PM

Don't see how they can stop you from smoking in your vehicle.

cjhalbrooks · 08-28-2012, 06:12 PM

Whats next, this band bullshat is fukcing nuts. Why dosent all these law makers work on "cleaning the air" by really pushing cleaner cars. i mean the US has so many problems like i dont know the FED budget. Last i check that is a really big problem. Can't they just leave us alone. Go chase some hackers or something.

Sorry bad day... and i hate this stuff. CUBA here i come

Dukeuni · 08-28-2012, 06:13 PM

I thought that part was really surprising:

Q&A from the website:

Q: Can I smoke in my personal vehicle on campus?
A: No. The policy prohibits smoking within personal vehicles anywhere within the campus boundaries.

Also another interesting answer:

Q: Is a smoke-free policy a violation of civil and Constitutional rights?
A: No, there is no Constitutional "right" to smoke or use tobacco. Tobacco users are not a category protected under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, nor is tobacco use a protected liberty right under the Due Process clause of the Constitution.

Basically, it is the University saying: "You are not smart enough to stop smoking, so we need to force you to stop....."

hotreds · 08-28-2012, 06:17 PM

Tell them you and a bunch of other alums will no longer give any money to them. Would be great if you could get some really big donor to do the same. Money talks, BS walks!

cjhalbrooks · 08-28-2012, 06:19 PM

ask if they can dip

DaBear · 08-28-2012, 06:23 PM

Not outlawed here at NC State yet, but they're working on it. I typically have a stick a day on campus nowadays and have never once had a complaint. Just have some common sense with it. I never exhale when walking by people, and never puff when in an enclosed space(we have a number of tunnels on campus).

replicant_argent · 08-28-2012, 06:28 PM

I think it is amusing they also "prohibit" those electronic cigarettes. I would LOVE to hear their reason for that.
I would also like to know what the consequences for breaking their silly little rule if you are not a student or faculty.
Double Secret Probation?

Hem · 08-28-2012, 07:13 PM

What about tailgating????? That's all that really matters!

jjirons69 · 08-28-2012, 07:17 PM

Crazy days indeed! College stressed me to the point of needing to smoke to take a well-deserved break. Smoking the crazy weed wasn't allowed on campus either, but we somehow got our fill of it. I'm sure if push-come-to-shove I could find a way to have a relaxing smoke if I so desired, also. Wait until they outlaw booze.

floydpink · 08-28-2012, 07:19 PM

Many hotel chains have gone smoke free and even fine $250 if you are caught smoking on the balcony. I know this from first hand experience

It was a long time ago I was in college but it was rare that there wasn't something being smoked in the dorms back then

CigarNut · 08-28-2012, 07:24 PM

My son it at the University of Oregon and they have the same rule (it is a rule rather than a law, but then they govern absolutely within the campus).

I used to walk around the campus with a cigar. Now I visit less. It will be interesting to see how this new rule goes at the football games...

TJtorpedo · 08-28-2012, 07:52 PM

When I was in college in Florida you could smoke right in your dorm room. In fact as an incoming freshman, you had to note your smoking preference so you wouldn't get roomed with a smoker if you didn't smoke (cigarettes that is). Of course, all the kids lied because they didn't want their parents to know they smoked, so basically everyone got stuck with a cigarette smoking roomie. That's when I started smoking cigars and gassed them out by smoking Garcia y Vegas non-stop.

St. Lou Stu · 08-28-2012, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotreds

Don't see how they can stop you from smoking in your vehicle.

The entire University of Missouri system went smoke free including in your own personal vehicle unless the windows are up and no smoke is allowed to escape.

Campus police actually sit in the parking lot and look for offenders.

markem · 08-28-2012, 08:29 PM

Most campuses have private roads. As such, they can enforce their policies even on the roadway. Smokers have the ability to drive on other roads, etc. to not violate the policy. It has been upheld in state and federal courts.

I happen not to agree with the policy, since it is extreme and putative. But they never asked my opinion when they did it. One more example of schools being forced to play mommy and daddy instead of focusing on education.

RobR1205 · 08-28-2012, 08:43 PM

Yeah security here at the academy is getting a lot stricter. They have limited us to only 4 sporadically placed "smoking sections" (and when you look at the size of the entire base, you really have to do some walking just to get to one). Additionally, all 4/c's (freshmen) are prohibited from ANY and ALL tobacco use, which wasn't a rule up until this year. The Academy says they are doing this because they want cadets to live healthier lives, but when you consider that some of freshmen can be as old as 24 years old with prior enlisted time in the coast guard, you gotta realize that they are old enough and experienced to make their own decisions about what is healthy and what is not. Their intentions are good, but hardly beneficial when you consider we are just going to do it off-base or after graduation.

hscmit · 08-28-2012, 11:13 PM

hospital campus is the same way
my son was born I had a few friends stop by and we tried to go to one of the sitting areas outside where no one was around and were informed by a nurse walking by and then soon after by security that smoking was banned on all the property owned by the hospital

area51 · 08-29-2012, 01:13 AM

The only way I can see them getting away with the personal vehicles and such is because you are on private property.

emopunker2004 · 08-29-2012, 01:21 AM

Glad we can smoke on the rec fields at work still. But because many officers can't get away all the time to get their fix there are MANY CO's that have taken to dip.

08-29-2012, 02:05 AM

The two community colleges I went to have a no-smoking policy. You have to go out to the parking lot, where ashtrays are provided, to smoke. The problem is that at least one of them students smoke in certain areas anyway, but they toss butts everywhere. When I was a student there I spoke to staff at the health office and suggested they place receptacles there. Also, since there is no law prohibiting smoking in the city, the campus police cannot issue citations.

At my current school, San Jose State University, there are no specific rules about smoking, except for the standard 20 feet from any door or window. I sometimes smoke on campus and have even had a discussion with a professor while he puffed away on his briar.

08-28-2012, 05:28 PM	#1
Dukeuni RIP CS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fields of rolling wheat Posts: 509 Trading: (32)	No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? I am a alumni of Oregon State University. I was on a sports board today and found out that the ENTIRE Oregon State Campus has outlawed smoking of any kind. There is NO "smoking areas" for employees or staff. They have even outlawed smoking in your own vehicle (windows up and everything). I had not heard about this being done before. I know there has been limitations on smoking within a certain distance from windows and building entrances, but I never heard of a complete, 100% ban on smoking on the entire campus. This new rule really bothers me. There is nothing I like to do more when I visit the campus then light up a nice cigar and walk around campus to see the changes and remember my time at OSU. I will continue to light up a cigar, but now I will always be looking out for "campus security" and I am sure some yuppy student will decide they need to "educate" me on the negative effects of smoking and that it is outlawed on campus. http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/life...arting-sept-1/

08-28-2012, 06:10 PM	#2
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,662 Trading: (63)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Don't see how they can stop you from smoking in your vehicle. __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

08-28-2012, 06:12 PM	#3
cjhalbrooks I am behind you. SHHHHH Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Cory Location: Under a Bridge, trying to find the troll who stole my soul. Posts: 1,370 Trading: (20)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Whats next, this band bullshat is fukcing nuts. Why dosent all these law makers work on "cleaning the air" by really pushing cleaner cars. i mean the US has so many problems like i dont know the FED budget. Last i check that is a really big problem. Can't they just leave us alone. Go chase some hackers or something. Sorry bad day... and i hate this stuff. CUBA here i come __________________ GMCGTPWHAF Tennessee Chapter. Down with the bloody BIG HEAD

08-28-2012, 06:13 PM	#4
Dukeuni RIP CS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fields of rolling wheat Posts: 509 Trading: (32)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? I thought that part was really surprising: Q&A from the website: Q: Can I smoke in my personal vehicle on campus? A: No. The policy prohibits smoking within personal vehicles anywhere within the campus boundaries. Also another interesting answer: Q: Is a smoke-free policy a violation of civil and Constitutional rights? A: No, there is no Constitutional "right" to smoke or use tobacco. Tobacco users are not a category protected under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, nor is tobacco use a protected liberty right under the Due Process clause of the Constitution. Basically, it is the University saying: "You are not smart enough to stop smoking, so we need to force you to stop....."

08-28-2012, 06:17 PM	#5
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,662 Trading: (63)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Tell them you and a bunch of other alums will no longer give any money to them. Would be great if you could get some really big donor to do the same. Money talks, BS walks! __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

08-28-2012, 06:19 PM	#6
cjhalbrooks I am behind you. SHHHHH Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Cory Location: Under a Bridge, trying to find the troll who stole my soul. Posts: 1,370 Trading: (20)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? ask if they can dip __________________ GMCGTPWHAF Tennessee Chapter. Down with the bloody BIG HEAD

08-28-2012, 06:23 PM	#7
DaBear Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Bear Location: Raleigh, NC(NC State) Posts: 2,010 Trading: (26)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Not outlawed here at NC State yet, but they're working on it. I typically have a stick a day on campus nowadays and have never once had a complaint. Just have some common sense with it. I never exhale when walking by people, and never puff when in an enclosed space(we have a number of tunnels on campus).

08-28-2012, 06:28 PM	#8
replicant_argent Gravy Boat Winnah. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: my attorney has advised against giving this information to insane people Posts: 5,326 Trading: (22)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? I think it is amusing they also "prohibit" those electronic cigarettes. I would LOVE to hear their reason for that. I would also like to know what the consequences for breaking their silly little rule if you are not a student or faculty. Double Secret Probation? __________________ www.stogietorch.com Some days call for a stiff Pomade.

08-28-2012, 07:13 PM	#9
Hem Feeling at Home Join Date: Jan 2012 First Name: Bill Location: Tampa (Cigar City) Posts: 826 Trading: (13)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? What about tailgating????? That's all that really matters!

08-28-2012, 07:17 PM	#10
jjirons69 Haberdasher Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jamie Location: Chucktown, SC Posts: 4,120 Trading: (94)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Crazy days indeed! College stressed me to the point of needing to smoke to take a well-deserved break. Smoking the crazy weed wasn't allowed on campus either, but we somehow got our fill of it. I'm sure if push-come-to-shove I could find a way to have a relaxing smoke if I so desired, also. Wait until they outlaw booze. __________________ Somebody has to go back and get a chitload of dimes

08-28-2012, 07:19 PM	#11
floydpink crazy diamond Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: Orlando Posts: 1,955 Trading: (17)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Many hotel chains have gone smoke free and even fine $250 if you are caught smoking on the balcony. I know this from first hand experience It was a long time ago I was in college but it was rare that there wasn't something being smoked in the dorms back then __________________ "If we weren't all crazy we would go insane"

08-28-2012, 07:24 PM	#12
CigarNut Fck Cancer! Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Michael Location: Clermont, Florida Posts: 18,042 Trading: (111*)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? My son it at the University of Oregon and they have the same rule (it is a rule rather than a law, but then they govern absolutely within the campus). I used to walk around the campus with a cigar. Now I visit less. It will be interesting to see how this new rule goes at the football games... __________________ Need Beads? Need Five Finger Bags? 2 of 3 Requirements for use of the CA Rolodex: 100 posts/ 60 day membership/ participation in trade (trader rating). New members can be added at any time.

08-28-2012, 07:52 PM	#13
TJtorpedo Feeling at Home Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Tim Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 600 Trading: (4)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? When I was in college in Florida you could smoke right in your dorm room. In fact as an incoming freshman, you had to note your smoking preference so you wouldn't get roomed with a smoker if you didn't smoke (cigarettes that is). Of course, all the kids lied because they didn't want their parents to know they smoked, so basically everyone got stuck with a cigarette smoking roomie. That's when I started smoking cigars and gassed them out by smoking Garcia y Vegas non-stop. __________________

08-28-2012, 08:29 PM	#15
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,622 Trading: (47)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Most campuses have private roads. As such, they can enforce their policies even on the roadway. Smokers have the ability to drive on other roads, etc. to not violate the policy. It has been upheld in state and federal courts. I happen not to agree with the policy, since it is extreme and putative. But they never asked my opinion when they did it. One more example of schools being forced to play mommy and daddy instead of focusing on education. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

08-28-2012, 08:43 PM	#16
RobR1205 Starting a new chapter Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Rob Location: Texas Posts: 1,158 Trading: (19)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Yeah security here at the academy is getting a lot stricter. They have limited us to only 4 sporadically placed "smoking sections" (and when you look at the size of the entire base, you really have to do some walking just to get to one). Additionally, all 4/c's (freshmen) are prohibited from ANY and ALL tobacco use, which wasn't a rule up until this year. The Academy says they are doing this because they want cadets to live healthier lives, but when you consider that some of freshmen can be as old as 24 years old with prior enlisted time in the coast guard, you gotta realize that they are old enough and experienced to make their own decisions about what is healthy and what is not. Their intentions are good, but hardly beneficial when you consider we are just going to do it off-base or after graduation.

08-28-2012, 11:13 PM	#17
hscmit Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: James Location: no where Posts: 2,200 Trading: (4)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? hospital campus is the same way my son was born I had a few friends stop by and we tried to go to one of the sitting areas outside where no one was around and were informed by a nurse walking by and then soon after by security that smoking was banned on all the property owned by the hospital

08-29-2012, 01:13 AM	#18
area51 Blowing Smoke Rings Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Ken Location: Tejas Posts: 1,259 Trading: (3)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? The only way I can see them getting away with the personal vehicles and such is because you are on private property. __________________

08-29-2012, 01:21 AM	#19
emopunker2004 Central Fla rollin Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Justin Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 6,171 Trading: (46)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Glad we can smoke on the rec fields at work still. But because many officers can't get away all the time to get their fix there are MANY CO's that have taken to dip. __________________ Cigar Asylum: Where all are equal, unless you are from CA, then you are more equal.

08-29-2012, 02:05 AM	#20
mariogolbee Guest Posts: n/a	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? The two community colleges I went to have a no-smoking policy. You have to go out to the parking lot, where ashtrays are provided, to smoke. The problem is that at least one of them students smoke in certain areas anyway, but they toss butts everywhere. When I was a student there I spoke to staff at the health office and suggested they place receptacles there. Also, since there is no law prohibiting smoking in the city, the campus police cannot issue citations. At my current school, San Jose State University, there are no specific rules about smoking, except for the standard 20 feet from any door or window. I sometimes smoke on campus and have even had a discussion with a professor while he puffed away on his briar.