Plume or Bloom vs. Mold - Page 3

BlkDrew · 07-03-2012, 03:46 PM

The lighter color is the plume

cmitch · 07-03-2012, 03:55 PM

Sorry about the size of the picture. But both spots look round and fuzzy. I did not want to bias anyone's opinion as to what I thought it was (I said mold on this and several other sticks this BOTL says is plume). Not really worth arguing about but he is supposed to know the difference. From my experience, plume has always been somewhat scattered all over the stick with tiny crystalline specks. Not huge, round fuzzballs.

TheGiver · 03-03-2013, 08:30 PM

I'm new here and the original examples pictures now are dead links. So I thought I'd update with some rather epic plume pics.

Flawless cigar

Empty yellow plumed out cello

pnoon · 03-03-2013, 08:31 PM

Uh, that would be mold.

RevSmoke · 03-03-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGiver

I'm new here and the original examples pictures now are dead links. So I thought I'd update with some rather epic plume pics.

Flawless cigar

Empty yellow plumed out cello

Ummmm, sorry to disappoint, but plume does not grow on cellophane, mold does however.

TheGiver · 03-03-2013, 08:40 PM

Absolutely not. The cigar was perfect. New to the forum, not new to smoke'n.

T.G · 03-03-2013, 08:53 PM

Never seen patchy plume before. Mold, on the other hand...

AdamJoshua · 03-03-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Uh, that would be epic mold.

CigarNut · 03-03-2013, 09:39 PM

icehog3 · 03-03-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGiver

Absolutely not. The cigar was perfect. New to the forum, not new to smoke'n.

A more suspicious BOTL would see that this was your first post, and think that possibly you were trolling for a reaction, and know that it is indeed mold. But like you, I am a giver, so I will just assume you are mistaken.

TheGiver · 03-03-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

A more suspicious BOTL would see that this was your first post, and think that possibly you were trolling for a reaction, and know that it is indeed mold. But like you, I am a giver, so I will just assume you are mistaken.

Yea icehog3, I hear ya but definitely not the case.

So I'm clear here, the consensus is that mold will grow inside and outside of cello while never ever being on the cigars? Because that is exactly the case here. Rub the stuff with your finger and it comes right off. I'm not trying to argue here. Just asking more questions.

I've had mold on my cigars in the past(humi too full and too close to the humidifier) and this looks nothing like it. It's like a sticky dusty film on the cello. The cello actually feels dirty/sticky.

Here is a high res photo of another cigar, diff vitola but same year/blend. Again, the cigar is perfect with regards to any growth on it.
http://lookpic.com/O/i2/943/AWqPuIEp.jpeg

--TG

T.G · 03-03-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGiver

So I'm clear here, the consensus is that mold will grow inside and outside of cello while never ever being on the cigars?

No. Not sure where you got that from, but mold can occur on both the cello and the cigar. Plume, on the other hand, can only occur on the cigar.

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Originally Posted by TheGiver

Because that is exactly the case here. Rub the stuff with your finger and it comes right off. I'm not trying to argue here. Just asking more questions.

The rub test isn't a definitive test. If the surface is smooth, it's pretty much worthless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGiver

I've had mold on my cigars in the past(humi too full and too close to the humidifier) and this looks nothing like it. It's like a sticky dusty film on the cello. The cello actually feels dirty/sticky.

Plume is crystalline, not sticky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGiver

Here is a high res photo of another cigar, diff vitola but same year/blend. Again, the cigar is perfect with regards to any growth on it.
http://lookpic.com/O/i2/943/AWqPuIEp.jpeg

--TG

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dwoodward · 03-03-2013, 10:40 PM

Your new link is dead. But your old links look like mold... it's patchy, plume isn't patchy, mold tho.....

TheGiver · 03-03-2013, 11:11 PM

FFS!!!!!!!! no idea why that link is dead.

http://vvcap.net/db/JBv-IQPgj8MgFYM8nNSJ.png

T.G · 03-03-2013, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGiver

FFS!!!!!!!! no idea why that link is dead.

http://vvcap.net/db/JBv-IQPgj8MgFYM8nNSJ.png

Maybe it's just a bad photo, but I see nothing in this photo that would indicate the existence of plume or mold.

TheGiver · 03-03-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Maybe it's just a bad photo, but I see nothing in this photo that would indicate the existence of plume or mold.

A darker background may bring out the residue that is now in question. The top cell is from the original photos above, the lonsdale. The bottom is cello from the figurado, pic above.

http://vvcap.net/db/ywKA_gm6Vz75VriFL0vK.png

RobR1205 · 03-03-2013, 11:42 PM

T.G · 03-03-2013, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGiver

A darker background may bring out the residue that is now in question. The top cell is from the original photos above, the lonsdale. The bottom is cello from the figurado, pic above.

http://vvcap.net/db/ywKA_gm6Vz75VriFL0vK.png

Could be water spots or other deposits, possibly old/dead mold colonies.

Plume is a very fine crystalline deposit that will typically occur evenly across the entire capa (wrapper) leaf of a cigar. It can, in theory occur on any tobacco, but for obvious reasons, if it occurs elsewhere in the cigar, we won't be able to see it. It's oil/mineral/sugars coming out of the leaf and crystallizing on it's surface.

pnoon · 03-04-2013, 12:00 AM

bobarian · 03-04-2013, 12:02 AM

Plume or bloom is are crystalline structures formed by the oils of tobacco. There is no evidence positive or negative that show any benefits to taste or flavor. Even light mold really has no detrimental effect unless it has penetrated the foot and corrupted the filler or binder.

07-03-2012, 03:46 PM	#41
BlkDrew Rolling my own... Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Andrew Location: Rochester NY Posts: 807 Trading: (43)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold The lighter color is the plume

07-03-2012, 03:55 PM	#42
cmitch Heads up get down Join Date: Oct 2010 First Name: Clayton Location: NW Alabama by the river Posts: 2,720 Trading: (25)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold Sorry about the size of the picture. But both spots look round and fuzzy. I did not want to bias anyone's opinion as to what I thought it was (I said mold on this and several other sticks this BOTL says is plume). Not really worth arguing about but he is supposed to know the difference. From my experience, plume has always been somewhat scattered all over the stick with tiny crystalline specks. Not huge, round fuzzballs. __________________ No matter what one's status is in society, cigars are the great equalizer where the affluent and common share a love for the leaf. - Me.

03-03-2013, 08:30 PM	#43
TheGiver Just in from the Storm Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 23 Trading: (0)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold I'm new here and the original examples pictures now are dead links. So I thought I'd update with some rather epic plume pics. Flawless cigar Empty yellow plumed out cello Last edited by TheGiver; 03-03-2013 at 08:35 PM.

03-03-2013, 08:31 PM	#44
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold Uh, that would be mold. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

03-03-2013, 08:40 PM	#46
TheGiver Just in from the Storm Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 23 Trading: (0)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold Absolutely not. The cigar was perfect. New to the forum, not new to smoke'n.

03-03-2013, 08:53 PM	#47
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,557 Trading: (37)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold Never seen patchy plume before. Mold, on the other hand...

03-03-2013, 09:39 PM	#49
CigarNut Fck Cancer! Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Michael Location: Clermont, Florida Posts: 18,042 Trading: (111*)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold __________________ Need Beads? Need Five Finger Bags? 2 of 3 Requirements for use of the CA Rolodex: 100 posts/ 60 day membership/ participation in trade (trader rating). New members can be added at any time.

03-03-2013, 10:40 PM	#53
dwoodward Gentlemen, you may smoke! Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Derrick Location: South Dakota Posts: 1,868 Trading: (26)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold Your new link is dead. But your old links look like mold... it's patchy, plume isn't patchy, mold tho.....

03-03-2013, 11:11 PM	#54
TheGiver Just in from the Storm Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 23 Trading: (0)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold FFS!!!!!!!! no idea why that link is dead. http://vvcap.net/db/JBv-IQPgj8MgFYM8nNSJ.png

03-03-2013, 11:42 PM	#57
RobR1205 Starting a new chapter Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Rob Location: Texas Posts: 1,158 Trading: (19)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold

03-04-2013, 12:00 AM	#59
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

03-04-2013, 12:02 AM	#60
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Plume or Bloom vs. Mold Plume or bloom is are crystalline structures formed by the oils of tobacco. There is no evidence positive or negative that show any benefits to taste or flavor. Even light mold really has no detrimental effect unless it has penetrated the foot and corrupted the filler or binder.