Hard Times CA support group

Superbad · 01-17-2011, 10:37 AM

I was thinking about Kgoings' post, regarding the BOTL's here who helped him out. I would have done what I could, if I had known. Maybe we could get a list going of people who are willing to help. We could keep it off board so people would have their privacy. If someone needed help with something, we could take the issue to the people on the list and those who wanted to, could help. This could be as simple as helping a BOTL raise some cash by selling off some cigars, or even just sending prayers their way. If you were away from home and had a problem, CA members are everywhere, we might be able to find someone nearby to help out. I know I am always ready to help a brother in need.

Just food for thought. If you want to talk about this via PM that is cool too.

Chingas · 01-17-2011, 10:40 AM

In in Bobby. Great idea. Thanks.

Smokin Gator · 01-17-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

In in Bobby. Great idea. Thanks.

Me too!!

hotreds · 01-17-2011, 11:15 AM

I like this idea. We need a point of contact- Bobby would you be willing to be this? That way someone could PM you with his "problem" if he didn't want to let the entire asylum know. Another thing is to get approval of the TOE for this.

Whee · 01-17-2011, 11:19 AM

Something similiar here

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11138

massphatness · 01-17-2011, 11:22 AM

There's a thread that kinda' addresses your idea, Bobby:

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showth...Tough+Economic

Not 100% in line with what you had in mind, but it is a thread where guys can go volunteer some spare cash to help a brother or sister out.

There was, at one time, an effort to get a group of samaritans together who would help out behind the scenes, but that ended up getting scuttled because the logistics involved. (It wasn't as easy as you would think.)

Superbad · 01-17-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hotreds

I like this idea. We need a point of contact- Bobby would you be willing to be this? That way someone could PM you with his "problem" if he didn't want to let the entire asylum know. Another thing is to get approval of the TOE for this.

I will see what the TOE have to say on this.

Ogre · 01-17-2011, 11:45 AM

Im In

WildBlueSooner · 01-17-2011, 11:46 AM

Standing by to assist

G G · 01-17-2011, 11:46 AM

I would sign on as well and i think its a great idea. I agree with Vin though that it could potentially become a logistical nightmare.

icehog3 · 01-17-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Superbad

I was thinking about Kgoings' post, regarding the BOTL's here who helped him out. I would have done what I could, if I had known. Maybe we could get a list going of people who are willing to help. We could keep it off board so people would have their privacy. If someone needed help with something, we could take the issue to the people on the list and those who wanted to, could help. This could be as simple as helping a BOTL raise some cash by selling off some cigars, or even just sending prayers their way. If you were away from home and had a problem, CA members are everywhere, we might be able to find someone nearby to help out. I know I am always ready to help a brother in need.

Just food for thought. If you want to talk about this via PM that is cool too.

If the list of good samaritans and the list of those in need were both kept off the board, and everything was handled via PM, I personally don't see how it will be an issue...the ToE won't even know it is happening unless they are involved. But that's my thoughts, I will see what the others chime in with.

BTcigars · 01-17-2011, 03:22 PM

Great idea!

Drez · 01-17-2011, 05:04 PM

I am In on this for sure. Anything to help out a Botl or Sotl.

massphatness · 01-17-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

If the list of good samaritans and the list of those in need were both kept off the board, and everything was handled via PM, I personally don't see how it will be an issue...

FYI Bobby -- I think this was the sticking point the last time. Can't speak for the TOE, but from my experience (and as weird as it may seem on the face of it), I don't think the open forums can be used as a conduit to facilitate this venture. I could be completely wrong about that (my memory isn't what it once was), and you may want to seek TOE guidance if you haven't already.

kelmac07 · 01-17-2011, 06:18 PM

Great idea...Bobby's heart is definetly in the right place.

pnoon · 01-17-2011, 06:24 PM

My

- fwiw.

I applaud the generosity, charity and thoughtfulness of our members. It is part of what makes this place so special. But I think an organized venture is not a good idea for a couple of reasons. First, most folks don't want a public declaration of their "problem". Even privately, it is difficult for many folks to ask for help. Another thing to consider is there are unscrupulous people who might try and take advantage of the charity. Who would decide if someone gets help or not? And how would that determination be made? You may have members of the group at odds over who and how to help. From back in the CS days to the present here in Cigar Asylum, people have stepped forward on an as needed or case-by-case basis. Honestly, I think that works well.

Please take my feedback above as a member (not as an admin) who has a fair amount of experience in this area. I have seen legitimate needs and I've seen scams.

Now, as an admin, I will say that if this moves forward all of the mechanics and logistics need to stay off the public forums and be conducted via PM or outside of CA.

Chingas · 01-18-2011, 06:25 AM

How sad is it that someone would try to scam or take advantage of something like this. It's really sad.

Thanks for the words Peter and Tom. Vin as well.

Bobby, I'm still game for helping out a Brother/Sister in need. It's obvious this goes off the board. At the point where someone creates a post, telling the board their problem, I think you can step in with a handful of cats and offer assistance.

As far as Inmates contacting you in private for help, I don't think that will be an issue being that no one would really know we exist.

I stand behind you Brother. Just let me know what you wanna do.

icehog3 · 01-18-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

How sad is it that someone would try to scam or take advantage of something like this. It's really sad.

It truly is Chingas, but some of us who have been around a lot of years have seen it more than once.

I still applaud the efforts that many have made over that time to some who truly were in need.

floydpink · 01-18-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

It truly is Chingas, but some of us who have been around a lot of years have seen it more than once.

I still applaud the efforts that many have made over that time to some who truly were in need.

Sadly, I witnessed one of these events a couple years ago with the guy whose house "burning down" lead to an outpouring of support and turned out to be a hoax. (everypipe.com)

I love the giving culture of the board, and seeing that still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I hope the culture never dies.

Starscream · 01-18-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

How sad is it that someone would try to scam or take advantage of something like this. It's really sad.

It's happened. I remember a thread at CS where some guy said his house had burned down or something and a lot of people sent money and items to help out. Turned out the guy was scamming the board and made off pretty well.

01-17-2011, 10:37 AM	#1
Superbad Have My Own Room Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Bobby Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 1,784 Trading: (53)	Hard Times CA support group I was thinking about Kgoings' post, regarding the BOTL's here who helped him out. I would have done what I could, if I had known. Maybe we could get a list going of people who are willing to help. We could keep it off board so people would have their privacy. If someone needed help with something, we could take the issue to the people on the list and those who wanted to, could help. This could be as simple as helping a BOTL raise some cash by selling off some cigars, or even just sending prayers their way. If you were away from home and had a problem, CA members are everywhere, we might be able to find someone nearby to help out. I know I am always ready to help a brother in need. Just food for thought. If you want to talk about this via PM that is cool too. __________________ Some say he can whistle dixie whilst drinking a chocolate milkshake and that moss can grow on all sides of him at the same time.. all I know is that he's called: The SuperBad! - Ninjavanish

01-17-2011, 10:40 AM	#2
Chingas Death Is Waiting Join Date: Jun 2010 First Name: Chingas Location: Slayerville, Jersey Posts: 5,295 Trading: (35)	Re: Hard Times CA support group In in Bobby. Great idea. Thanks. __________________ ---Chingas--- ---Team Death Bomb Squad: Captain---

01-17-2011, 11:15 AM	#4
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,665 Trading: (63)	Re: Hard Times CA support group I like this idea. We need a point of contact- Bobby would you be willing to be this? That way someone could PM you with his "problem" if he didn't want to let the entire asylum know. Another thing is to get approval of the TOE for this. __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

01-17-2011, 11:19 AM	#5
Whee formerly illinoishoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Sean Location: Bishopville, SC Posts: 3,591 Trading: (17)	Re: Hard Times CA support group Something similiar here http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11138 __________________ "Maybe I'm wrong, when they tell me they're right…..naaaaahhhhhh, I'm an asshooooooleeee"--Denis Leary

01-17-2011, 11:22 AM	#6
massphatness Where's my buffaloooo ... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Vin Location: MassHolia Posts: 12,690 Trading: (206)	Re: Hard Times CA support group There's a thread that kinda' addresses your idea, Bobby: http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showth...Tough+Economic Not 100% in line with what you had in mind, but it is a thread where guys can go volunteer some spare cash to help a brother or sister out. There was, at one time, an effort to get a group of samaritans together who would help out behind the scenes, but that ended up getting scuttled because the logistics involved. (It wasn't as easy as you would think.) __________________ *Help Support The Navy SEAL Foundation: HERE*

01-17-2011, 11:45 AM	#8
Ogre **CENSORED** Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Larry Location: Central Florida Posts: 12,068 Trading: (46)	Re: Hard Times CA support group Im In __________________

01-17-2011, 11:46 AM	#9
WildBlueSooner I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: James Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 3,322 Trading: (19)	Re: Hard Times CA support group Standing by to assist __________________ "To dilute the will to win is to destroy the purpose of the game. There is no substitute for victory"-- Douglas MacArthur

01-17-2011, 11:46 AM	#10
G G BR549 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: Taylor, FL. Posts: 12,730 Trading: (10)	Re: Hard Times CA support group I would sign on as well and i think its a great idea. I agree with Vin though that it could potentially become a logistical nightmare.

01-17-2011, 03:22 PM	#12
BTcigars Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 486 Trading: (1)	Re: Hard Times CA support group Great idea! __________________ Be sure to chek out my blog.

01-17-2011, 05:04 PM	#13
Drez The Warden Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Frank Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,768 Trading: (35)	Re: Hard Times CA support group I am In on this for sure. Anything to help out a Botl or Sotl. __________________ They aren't going to multiply....burn that b!tch!

01-17-2011, 06:18 PM	#15
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: Hard Times CA support group Great idea...Bobby's heart is definetly in the right place. __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

01-17-2011, 06:24 PM	#16
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Hard Times CA support group My - fwiw. I applaud the generosity, charity and thoughtfulness of our members. It is part of what makes this place so special. But I think an organized venture is not a good idea for a couple of reasons. First, most folks don't want a public declaration of their "problem". Even privately, it is difficult for many folks to ask for help. Another thing to consider is there are unscrupulous people who might try and take advantage of the charity. Who would decide if someone gets help or not? And how would that determination be made? You may have members of the group at odds over who and how to help. From back in the CS days to the present here in Cigar Asylum, people have stepped forward on an as needed or case-by-case basis. Honestly, I think that works well. Please take my feedback above as a member (not as an admin) who has a fair amount of experience in this area. I have seen legitimate needs and I've seen scams. Now, as an admin, I will say that if this moves forward all of the mechanics and logistics need to stay off the public forums and be conducted via PM or outside of CA. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

01-18-2011, 06:25 AM	#17
Chingas Death Is Waiting Join Date: Jun 2010 First Name: Chingas Location: Slayerville, Jersey Posts: 5,295 Trading: (35)	Re: Hard Times CA support group How sad is it that someone would try to scam or take advantage of something like this. It's really sad. Thanks for the words Peter and Tom. Vin as well. Bobby, I'm still game for helping out a Brother/Sister in need. It's obvious this goes off the board. At the point where someone creates a post, telling the board their problem, I think you can step in with a handful of cats and offer assistance. As far as Inmates contacting you in private for help, I don't think that will be an issue being that no one would really know we exist. I stand behind you Brother. Just let me know what you wanna do. __________________ ---Chingas--- ---Team Death Bomb Squad: Captain---