Sabathia to the Yankees... probably

King James · 12-10-2008, 08:49 AM

Guess they still want to just keep throwing $$ at big name players instead of developing their young guys like they did when they were actually good.

Maybe I'm also just bitter cuz I want him to stay in Milwaukee.

icehog3 · 12-10-2008, 09:36 AM

The big man has big plans, and Milwaukee ain't in them.

If he isn't going to be a Cub, then I will be happy to see him out of the National League.....the guy was stellar last season.

chippewastud79 · 12-10-2008, 09:52 AM

Money talks. For what its worth, I hope they suck again this year. Never been a big fan of buying players just because you have the money. Its always nice to see them fail on the field when they shell out a gazillion dollars for their players.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by King James

Guess they still want to just keep throwing $$ at big name players instead of developing their young guys like they did when they were actually good.

Maybe I'm also just bitter cuz I want him to stay in Milwaukee.

The problem is the Yankees are expected to win year in and year out. Rebuilding isn't an option in NY. And in all fairness, they tried to build around their draft players. Chen Meng Wang, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Phil Coke, Darrel Rasner, Joba Chamberlain, all Yankees picks. The problem was Hughes sucked, Kennedy sucked, Wang got hurt, Rasner was only ok, and Joba got hurt. With Moose retired, Rasners contract sold to a Japanese team, and Petite unsgined as of yet they need pitching right now to compete in the American League East. Sabathia is the best of the bunch available right now, if elects to go somewhere else I wouldn't be surprised if they signed Lowe, Garland, or Ben Sheets. Although by the looks of things we've got Sabathia all wrapped up

In all honesty though James, the Brewers never had a chance at resigning him. He turned down a 100 million dollar contract when he was still with the Indians, the Brewers just don't have that kind of money to throw around.

King James · 12-10-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

The problem is the Yankees are expected to win year in and year out. Rebuilding isn't an option in NY. And in all fairness, they tried to build around their draft players. Chen Meng Wang, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Phil Coke, Darrel Rasner, Joba Chamberlain, all Yankees picks. The problem was Hughes sucked, Kennedy sucked, Wang got hurt, Rasner was only ok, and Joba got hurt. With Moose retired, Rasners contract sold to a Japanese team, and Petite unsgined as of yet they need pitching right now to compete in the American League East. Sabathia is the best of the bunch available right now, if elects to go somewhere else I wouldn't be surprised if they signed Lowe, Garland, or that other Brewers pitcher who name escapes me.

In all honesty though James, the Brewers never had a chance at resigning him. He turned down a 100 million dollar contract when he was still with the Indians, the Brewers just don't have that kind of money to throw around.

Brewers were even offering part ownership of the team I heard, guaranteeing Sabathia $$ after he retires even (not that he will have money problems). And I remember seeing a program on how after the success of the late 90's early 2000's that the Yankees began the pattern of dealing away their young guys for established players and have had problems ever since.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by King James

Brewers were even offering part ownership of the team I heard, guaranteeing Sabathia $$ after he retires even (not that he will have money problems). And I remember seeing a program on how after the success of the late 90's early 2000's that the Yankees began the pattern of dealing away their young guys for established players and have had problems ever since.

False, false, and false. First of all no player can be offered a piece of ownership in any team. There was a big to do about that if you recall when A-Rod was a free agent and the Cubs wanted him. But they didn't have the cash and wanted to offer him a piece of the team, and MLB said no.

Secondly, the Yankees generally haven't dealt any of their good young players for vets. We specialize in signing over the hill free agents, not trading for them. In fact, the Yanks dealt more of their young talent during the dynasty years , not after. Really the only name that stands out from this era is Alfonso Soriano, but considering that we got A-Rod, you can write that one off. Both are great players, neither can hit worth a damn during the postseason. Find me the name of one other Yankees prospect that's turned into a great player as of late that we've traded away.

King James · 12-10-2008, 10:44 AM

I believe the show (or may even have been a report on SportsCenter) said they did start dealing away in the dynasty era, causing the bad past several seasons. Don't have any specific examples unfortunately, just remember that was the jist of what they were saying.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by King James

I believe the show (or may even have been a report on SportsCenter) said they did start dealing away in the dynasty era, causing the bad past several seasons. Don't have any specific examples unfortunately, just remember that was the jist of what they were saying.

Depends how you look at it James. The Yanks still made the playoffs every season up until the last one, made the WS twice, and even last season they had a winning record. It just wasn't enough, too many injuries. But i wouldn't call the last several seasons bad ones.

taltos · 12-10-2008, 02:09 PM

The Yankees just signed a whole bunch of dead money when Sabathia either eats himself out of the rotation or breaks down in a couple of years. Glad to see the Yankees sign him. Hope that they sign Lowe also and watch him have problems in an east coast pressure cooker as he did in Boston. Pressure and 4am closing times. Great choice.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by taltos

The Yankees just signed a whole bunch of dead money when Sabathia either eats himself out of the rotation or breaks down in a couple of years. Glad to see the Yankees sign him. Hope that they sign Lowe also and watch him have problems in an east coast pressure cooker as he did in Boston. Pressure and 4am closing times. Great choice.

Your just jealous Boston didn't get him. Only 28 years old and the most dominating pitcher in baseball the last two years in a row. If the Yanks had signed Burnett it would have been dead money, Sabathia 'fraid not.

Now we only need three more pitchers and we'll be able to compete with the Sox and Rays

taltos · 12-10-2008, 02:36 PM

Actually pitching is a spot where we are ok right now. Would like Burnett on a short term deal, 3 years or less. I just think that with the innings pitched the last couple of years and the weight he is carrying, Sabathia is a good candidate for a breakdown in the next couple of years. Lowe was a bit of a head case here in Boston as the team got better and more competitive. Good luck with these guys, the season is more fun when we are in a good race together.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by taltos

Actually pitching is a spot where we are ok right now. Would like Burnett on a short term deal, 3 years or less. I just think that with the innings pitched the last couple of years and the weight he is carrying, Sabathia is a good candidate for a breakdown in the next couple of years. Lowe was a bit of a head case here in Boston as the team got better and more competitive. Good luck with these guys, the season is more fun when we are in a good race together.

I hope the Sox sign Burnett. He can be your Carl Pavano

taltos · 12-10-2008, 02:59 PM

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I hope the Sox sign Burnett. He can be your Carl Pavano

To this day I would like to understand what happened to Pavano. He showed incredible potential with us, got what was supposed to be a minor injury and then his career went to hell. Thought that he was going to be very good for a long while.

VirtualSmitty · 12-10-2008, 03:40 PM

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To this day I would like to understand what happened to Pavano. He showed incredible potential with us, got what was supposed to be a minor injury and then his career went to hell. Thought that he was going to be very good for a long while.

Hell if I know. When we signed him I thought it was a good move. Young, good arm, playoff experience, WS win under his belt. Then every little injury resulted in him needing season ending surgery. I don't think he pitched much over 12 games his whole 4 year tenure with the Yanks. He milked us for 40 mil!

taltos · 12-10-2008, 04:04 PM

Funny to think that Pavano was the lead player (Tony Armas Jr was the other) in the trade that got the Red Sox Pedro Martinez.

bigloo · 12-10-2008, 04:07 PM

apparently baseball is recession proof!

VirtualSmitty · 12-12-2008, 06:55 PM

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Actually pitching is a spot where we are ok right now. Would like Burnett on a short term deal, 3 years or less.

Looks like Burnett is coming to NY as well. I pray he stays healthy.

taltos · 12-12-2008, 07:09 PM

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Looks like Burnett is coming to NY as well. I pray he stays healthy.

You're not laughing now! I wonder how much in luxury taxes these signings will cost.

gettysburgfreak · 12-12-2008, 07:15 PM

no way is his fat ass worth 160 million, hes good but not that good. Yanks overspent for AJ Burnett also, 5 yrs at 82 million. 3 years at 40 million would have been a better deal. Boston needs to land Texiera.

VirtualSmitty · 12-12-2008, 08:36 PM

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no way is his fat ass worth 160 million, hes good but not that good. Yanks overspent for AJ Burnett also, 5 yrs at 82 million. 3 years at 40 million would have been a better deal. Boston needs to land Texiera.

if you look at the figures he has been the best pitcher in baseball for the last two years running. They overpaid, but he was going to cost a pretty penny no matter who signed him. Burnett worries me, but he had a solid year last, maybe his arm will hold together for another year or two lol.

From what i've read the Nats are actually offering Tex the most money right now.

12-10-2008, 08:49 AM	#1
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icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,274 Trading: (60)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably The big man has big plans, and Milwaukee ain't in them. If he isn't going to be a Cub, then I will be happy to see him out of the National League.....the guy was stellar last season. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

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King James Regard Me! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jim Location: Dark Side Of The Moon Posts: 2,565 Trading: (2)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably I believe the show (or may even have been a report on SportsCenter) said they did start dealing away in the dynasty era, causing the bad past several seasons. Don't have any specific examples unfortunately, just remember that was the jist of what they were saying. __________________ Mob Herfin' Since 2006

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taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably The Yankees just signed a whole bunch of dead money when Sabathia either eats himself out of the rotation or breaks down in a couple of years. Glad to see the Yankees sign him. Hope that they sign Lowe also and watch him have problems in an east coast pressure cooker as he did in Boston. Pressure and 4am closing times. Great choice.

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taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably Actually pitching is a spot where we are ok right now. Would like Burnett on a short term deal, 3 years or less. I just think that with the innings pitched the last couple of years and the weight he is carrying, Sabathia is a good candidate for a breakdown in the next couple of years. Lowe was a bit of a head case here in Boston as the team got better and more competitive. Good luck with these guys, the season is more fun when we are in a good race together.

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taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably Funny to think that Pavano was the lead player (Tony Armas Jr was the other) in the trade that got the Red Sox Pedro Martinez.

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bigloo Crazy like a fox Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Lu Location: Rose City Posts: 905 Trading: (27)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably apparently baseball is recession proof!

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gettysburgfreak Patriot Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Mitten Posts: 1,442 Trading: (2)	Re: Sabathia to the Yankees... probably no way is his fat ass worth 160 million, hes good but not that good. Yanks overspent for AJ Burnett also, 5 yrs at 82 million. 3 years at 40 million would have been a better deal. Boston needs to land Texiera. __________________ Author ofeath, Disease, and Life at War: The Civil War Letters of Surgeon James D. Benton, 111th and 98th New York Infantry Regiments, 1862-1865.