More shakeup at CAO - Page 2

BTcigars · 11-09-2010, 12:02 PM

Im not to surprised to hear that Tim is staying in TN. Thats his home and when there was talk of moving CAO to Virgina, I had a hard time thinking that he would move. Maybe we have another E.P. Carrillo situation brewing.

ninjavanish · 11-09-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JJG

haha, I gotta agree with you there. I haven't bought one in years.

It seems like he did for CAO what Steve Jobs did for Apple; put an average product in a stylish and attractive package. Step 2: collect profit. No matter what you think of the cigars themselves, I don't think anyone can argue that he's not a successful business person.

I have to disagree with the average product... I think CAO makes an excellent product. Though it may not appeal to everyone's taste... and though you may grow tired of them after a while... who can truthfully say that their product is average? It's been my experience that with CAO you have quite a few selections of better than average or even exceptional quality. (CAO Brazilia anyone?)

They propelled themselves out of the cigar boom... innovated and even revolutionized the way the entire industry thinks about packaging and POS materials... as you mentioned.

They may not have lead the world in cigar sales but they are good at what they do... I think to compare CAO as a whole to an "Average Cigar" is like comparing a Xikar or a Palio to an Average Cutter... Sure there are better cutters out there. And Sure... there are more expensive cutters out there. But to get a cutter of very high quality at an average price... that's the miracle of the modern cigar maker... if you paid what you really should for a cigar... I guarantee none of us would be smoking nearly as much as we do. Either that or we'd all be smoking White Owl Grape.

I'm not trying to get on anyone's case... or taking it personally or anything... but it really is the end of an era... with the exit of Tim Ozgener from CAO... the number of cigar makers that were actually around and kicking during the boom is dwindling lower and lower everyday... that's not to say we should all live in the past but it's like a part of our culture as cigar smokers. And when our culture loses a pioneer, it takes it's toll. Whether you like the cigars or not... respect is due.

I hope that he does well in whatever he decides to pursue... but hopefully we will not lose his experience and contributions to our passion of cigars. As we all know... once the black leaf is in your blood... you can quit... but you'll never forget.

OHRD · 11-09-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

I have to disagree with the average product... I think CAO makes an excellent product. Though it may not appeal to everyone's taste... and though you may grow tired of them after a while... who can truthfully say that their product is average? It's been my experience that with CAO you have quite a few selections of better than average or even exceptional quality. (CAO Brazilia anyone?)

They propelled themselves out of the cigar boom... innovated and even revolutionized the way the entire industry thinks about packaging and POS materials... as you mentioned.

They may not have lead the world in cigar sales but they are good at what they do... I think to compare CAO as a whole to an "Average Cigar" is like comparing a Xikar or a Palio to an Average Cutter... Sure there are better cutters out there. And Sure... there are more expensive cutters out there. But to get a cutter of very high quality at an average price... that's the miracle of the modern cigar maker... if you paid what you really should for a cigar... I guarantee none of us would be smoking nearly as much as we do. Either that or we'd all be smoking White Owl Grape.

I'm not trying to get on anyone's case... or taking it personally or anything... but it really is the end of an era... with the exit of Tim Ozgener from CAO... the number of cigar makers that were actually around and kicking during the boom is dwindling lower and lower everyday... that's not to say we should all live in the past but it's like a part of our culture as cigar smokers. And when our culture loses a pioneer, it takes it's toll. Whether you like the cigars or not... respect is due.

I hope that he does well in whatever he decides to pursue... but hopefully we will not lose his experience and contributions to our passion of cigars. As we all know... once the black leaf is in your blood... you can quit... but you'll never forget.

They are above average in my opinion; the Gold series is solid (Regular, Maduro, Vintage), and the Traviata is excellent by most all accounts. Add in the regulars like Brazilia and Italia, I think they are a solid company.

Brian D. · 11-09-2010, 12:34 PM

When CAO and General merged a couple years back I couldn't help but make a bad joke:

"Let's see, CAO has made the Brazilia, Italia, and hybrid Bratalia lines. Can we expect to see a new cigar called the Gen-Italia soon?"

loki · 11-09-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

I have to disagree with the average product... I think CAO makes an excellent product. Though it may not appeal to everyone's taste... and though you may grow tired of them after a while... who can truthfully say that their product is average? It's been my experience that with CAO you have quite a few selections of better than average or even exceptional quality. (CAO Brazilia anyone?)

They propelled themselves out of the cigar boom... innovated and even revolutionized the way the entire industry thinks about packaging and POS materials... as you mentioned.

They may not have lead the world in cigar sales but they are good at what they do... I think to compare CAO as a whole to an "Average Cigar" is like comparing a Xikar or a Palio to an Average Cutter... Sure there are better cutters out there. And Sure... there are more expensive cutters out there. But to get a cutter of very high quality at an average price... that's the miracle of the modern cigar maker... if you paid what you really should for a cigar... I guarantee none of us would be smoking nearly as much as we do. Either that or we'd all be smoking White Owl Grape.

I'm not trying to get on anyone's case... or taking it personally or anything... but it really is the end of an era... with the exit of Tim Ozgener from CAO... the number of cigar makers that were actually around and kicking during the boom is dwindling lower and lower everyday... that's not to say we should all live in the past but it's like a part of our culture as cigar smokers. And when our culture loses a pioneer, it takes it's toll. Whether you like the cigars or not... respect is due.

I hope that he does well in whatever he decides to pursue... but hopefully we will not lose his experience and contributions to our passion of cigars. As we all know... once the black leaf is in your blood... you can quit... but you'll never forget.

hey, get your facts and logic outa here.

NorcalMark · 11-09-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by area51

wow that's nuts whats going on with people leaving lately?

money!

Skywalker · 11-09-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sikk50

I'm greatful I got to meet him while he was still working for them. He's a great guy and I'm sure he has great things in store for the future!

Who knows maybe he's going to finally pursue that career as a comedian!!

The man does have talent!!!

elderboy02 · 11-09-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian D.

When CAO and General merged a couple years back I couldn't help but make a bad joke:

"Let's see, CAO has made the Brazilia, Italia, and hybrid Bratalia lines. Can we expect to see a new cigar called the Gen-Italia soon?"

OHRD · 11-09-2010, 02:33 PM

Tim Ozgener
tim@tozgener.com

Today, I find myself in need of clarifying several matters pursuant to the recent press release that was distributed regarding my departure from CAO. It is true that after 16 years I am stepping down from my position at CAO and will no longer be involved with the company effective immediately. The reasons that lead me to this most difficult decision, however, may not be as transparent.

The reality of the matter is that due to the recent merger between Scandinavian Tobacco Group (ST) and Swedish Match, a decision was made to fold CAO into General Cigar Co. (GCC), resulting in a physical relocation of CAO headquarters to Richmond, VA, from its current location of Nashville, TN. After conferring with my family, my decision was made to remain in Nashville.

Furthermore, while I have stepped down from my role as CAO President, it is a misnomer to say that I have completely abandoned the premium Cigar industry. While I am leaving the manufacturer side of this great business, I will continue my efforts on the political and social fronts in aiding to lobby against egregious anti-smoking legislation and taxation wherever and whenever I am able, as I have done during the past several years. In addition, I will continue to serve on the board of several trade organizations.

In closing, my wish is that the CAO brand will continue to prosper and grow under the watch of General Cigar Co., and that CAO loyalists will continue to enjoy their brand of choice for years to come. As I stand upon the closing page of this chapter, however, I do so with a desire in my heart to make certain that the epilogue is written with accuracy and goodwill.

Sincerely yours,

Tim Ozgener

marge796 · 11-09-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Da Klugs

No... leaving the premium business would be consistent with teaming up with Sam.

Just messing with the word play here so dont get all worked up Sam fans.

SvilleKid · 11-09-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjavanish

I have to disagree with the average product... I think CAO makes an excellent product. Though it may not appeal to everyone's taste... and though you may grow tired of them after a while... who can truthfully say that their product is average? It's been my experience that with CAO you have quite a few selections of better than average or even exceptional quality. (CAO Brazilia anyone?)

They propelled themselves out of the cigar boom... innovated and even revolutionized the way the entire industry thinks about packaging and POS materials... as you mentioned.

They may not have lead the world in cigar sales but they are good at what they do... I think to compare CAO as a whole to an "Average Cigar" is like comparing a Xikar or a Palio to an Average Cutter... Sure there are better cutters out there. And Sure... there are more expensive cutters out there. But to get a cutter of very high quality at an average price... that's the miracle of the modern cigar maker... if you paid what you really should for a cigar... I guarantee none of us would be smoking nearly as much as we do. Either that or we'd all be smoking White Owl Grape.

I'm not trying to get on anyone's case... or taking it personally or anything... but it really is the end of an era... with the exit of Tim Ozgener from CAO... the number of cigar makers that were actually around and kicking during the boom is dwindling lower and lower everyday... that's not to say we should all live in the past but it's like a part of our culture as cigar smokers. And when our culture loses a pioneer, it takes it's toll. Whether you like the cigars or not... respect is due.

I hope that he does well in whatever he decides to pursue... but hopefully we will not lose his experience and contributions to our passion of cigars. As we all know... once the black leaf is in your blood... you can quit... but you'll never forget.

Well Said!!

Though I don't purchase them as often as I used to, I still have a drawer in my humi with all CAO sticks (have 8-10 different types). When I smoke one on occasion, it is still enjoyable to me!!

Skywalker · 11-09-2010, 03:01 PM

I just smoked a Brazilia Chango last night!!!

Not bad at all!!!

Brutus2600 · 11-09-2010, 03:17 PM

While I don't enjoy all CAO cigars, I do enjoy some of their lines. Recently found out I really like the Soprano "Boss" cigar (didn't care as much for the Soldier or Associate). On the other hand, their highly rated Vision cigar fell completely flat for me

But yeah...I've gotta say, whether or not you like CAO cigars, the guy has done a really good job of making it a successful company, and he seems like a good guy supporting cigar rights as well. Sad to see somebody like this leave the business.

11-09-2010, 12:02 PM	#21
BTcigars Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 486 Trading: (1)	Re: More shakeup at CAO Im not to surprised to hear that Tim is staying in TN. Thats his home and when there was talk of moving CAO to Virgina, I had a hard time thinking that he would move. Maybe we have another E.P. Carrillo situation brewing. __________________ Be sure to chek out my blog.

11-09-2010, 12:34 PM	#24
Brian D. Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Brian Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,625 Trading: (1)	Re: More shakeup at CAO When CAO and General merged a couple years back I couldn't help but make a bad joke: "Let's see, CAO has made the Brazilia, Italia, and hybrid Bratalia lines. Can we expect to see a new cigar called the Gen-Italia soon?" __________________ Any gathering that includes Elderboy02 is "NKA"-- --No Ketchup Allowed.

11-09-2010, 02:33 PM	#29
OHRD Garage w/ couch & ashtray Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Matt Posts: 1,377 Trading: (39)	Re: More shakeup at CAO Tim Ozgener tim@tozgener.com Today, I find myself in need of clarifying several matters pursuant to the recent press release that was distributed regarding my departure from CAO. It is true that after 16 years I am stepping down from my position at CAO and will no longer be involved with the company effective immediately. The reasons that lead me to this most difficult decision, however, may not be as transparent. The reality of the matter is that due to the recent merger between Scandinavian Tobacco Group (ST) and Swedish Match, a decision was made to fold CAO into General Cigar Co. (GCC), resulting in a physical relocation of CAO headquarters to Richmond, VA, from its current location of Nashville, TN. After conferring with my family, my decision was made to remain in Nashville. Furthermore, while I have stepped down from my role as CAO President, it is a misnomer to say that I have completely abandoned the premium Cigar industry. While I am leaving the manufacturer side of this great business, I will continue my efforts on the political and social fronts in aiding to lobby against egregious anti-smoking legislation and taxation wherever and whenever I am able, as I have done during the past several years. In addition, I will continue to serve on the board of several trade organizations. In closing, my wish is that the CAO brand will continue to prosper and grow under the watch of General Cigar Co., and that CAO loyalists will continue to enjoy their brand of choice for years to come. As I stand upon the closing page of this chapter, however, I do so with a desire in my heart to make certain that the epilogue is written with accuracy and goodwill. Sincerely yours, Tim Ozgener __________________ Did I tell you my garage has a couch and an ashtray? My wife doesn't let me sleep or smoke inside.

11-09-2010, 03:01 PM	#32
Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: More shakeup at CAO I just smoked a Brazilia Chango last night!!! Not bad at all!!! __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

11-09-2010, 03:17 PM	#33
Brutus2600 Your resident lancerHO Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Brian Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,063 Trading: (46)	Re: More shakeup at CAO While I don't enjoy all CAO cigars, I do enjoy some of their lines. Recently found out I really like the Soprano "Boss" cigar (didn't care as much for the Soldier or Associate). On the other hand, their highly rated Vision cigar fell completely flat for me But yeah...I've gotta say, whether or not you like CAO cigars, the guy has done a really good job of making it a successful company, and he seems like a good guy supporting cigar rights as well. Sad to see somebody like this leave the business.