Joya Cabinetta Series

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

I find Camachos on a mild side, FYI, and milder than this stick (Corona size). There is enough maduro there to get a decent taste of it, spice and all. Once you leave the Criollo wrapper and get into Maduro, you DO notice a flavor change and I was happy to nub it. Smoke one on an empty stomach, let me know how mild it is. Had it been mild, I'd have tossed it pretty early (had it after a meal).
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If there is one negative there, it is the slight underfill, which leads to ash breaking off at about 2/3 of an inch (even though there is a solid feel to the cigar?).

the criollo is the maduro.
and a cigar doesn't change it's strength because your stomach is empty or full.

Originally Posted by mariogolbee

I like cake.

me too! and when i eat red velvet my cigars decide all on their own that they are going to be stronger.

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

the criollo is the maduro.
and a cigar doesn't change it's strength because your stomach is empty or full.

After bringing us your "Authentic" Habana Clube cigars, your word is gospel.

i never claimed authenticity. in the end, i shared the words of an authority from davidoff stating they were fake. you obviously need to reread the threads on that topic.
as far as my statements here, the leaf varieties and shade are quoted from the info in the link AND from Marvin Samel. and it doesn't even take common sense to tell us that cigars do not change strength because of outside conditions, but only from time.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

i never claimed authenticity.

How quickly you forget. Sounds like a claim of authenticity to me.

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

these have been authenticated by:
1. the managing director of these establishments:
C.Gars Ltd (London and Norfolk)
Modern,Vintage and Rare Havana Cigar Specialists

La Casa Del Habano-Hamburg

Turmeaus Tobacconist Est. 1817 (Liverpool and Chester)

Robert Graham Ltd Est. 1874 ( Glasgow ,Edinburgh and London)

2. Paul Palmer

3. Jeff Borysiewicz

Common sense does, indeed, tell us that cigar strength does not change due to outside conditions. But common sense also tells us that things like drinking alcohol and smoking (nicotine) will effect us differently whether or not we have eaten recently.

i admit, i did forget my statement there or i would have my rephrased my statement here. however, i don't claim to be a cigar professional and the authenticity was not my claim either, but rather that of these 3. who were wrong.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

i admit, i did forget my statement there or i would have my rephrased my statement here. however, i don't claim to be a cigar professional and the authenticity was not my claim either, but rather that of these 3. who were wrong.

Sorry. I call BS here.

It's obvious you did not do the authentication. But using the feedback you received from them, you were claiming they were authentic. Common sense tells us that.

[Emjaysmash]

I'd argue the strength and body of a cigar is subjective, much like flavor. I know people who never get buzzed on cigars that, after I smoke them, send me reeling.

The Press-release claims these are mild-medium, and other BOTLs claim they are full or Med or just mild. Same with flavor. One thinks it's complex the other thinks it's one-dimensional. You can state you own opinion, but you can't refute another as completely wrong.

[weak_link]

That's one high horse.

[BlackIrish]

Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

I'd argue the strength and body of a cigar is subjective, much like flavor. I know people who never get buzzed on cigars that, after I smoke them, send me reeling.

The Press-release claims these are mild-medium, and other BOTLs claim they are full or Med or just mild. Same with flavor. One thinks it's complex the other thinks it's one-dimensional. You can state you own opinion, but you can't refute another as completely wrong.

What's struck me, and, it seems, others, is the tenor of the remarks. There's plenty of room for disagreement here, and yor opinion of the cigar can be valuable to those of us who are curious about it.

Unfortunately, your tone seriously undermines the value of your contribution. Instead of telling someone they're wrong about a cigar's strength and complexity (see the post above that starts "Um, no.") You might have prefaced it by saying something like, "That's interesting. My experience was the opposite . . . .".

This is a lively but friendly community, and a little ordinary politeness goes a long way.

Just my .
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[Ratters]

I'm just wondering if he actually tried the smoke. I've smoked several, and while I prefer the flavor of the Antano, it is a nice medium bodied stick with some very interesting flavor changes throughout. Someone who would call it mild hasn't smoked one. It may not have a bunch of vitamin N, but the smoke has a nice flavorful body to it. I'll definitely smoke more.

[Tuxguy]

Originally Posted by mariogolbee

I like cake.

Oh Boy, I remember on another far off board someone saying this. Outcome was not good!

[T.G]

Originally Posted by Tuxguy

Oh Boy, I remember on another far off board someone saying this. Outcome was not good!

Please forgive him, for he is young and knows not the power of the mystic words which he speaks.

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by T.G

Please forgive him, for he is young and knows not the power of the mystic words which he speaks.

[T.G]

So, I'm trading a few posts on another board with Dr. Cuenca right now about this cigar and he just stated that the filler and binder are the same as the classical line (the gold roundel band).

Believe me I new from the moment I decided to go for such a blend, mixing the connecticut wrapper with the Habano criollo wrapper, and maintaing the same filler and binder that I use for the Classical line, that would give a very special smoke. It is a very interest and dynamic smoke, since as the cigar burns,it is in a very dynamic process that changes tastes and strength mainting its total balance. I like it, and I am using it as my early morning cigar.

Originally Posted by T.G

So, I'm trading a few posts on another board with Dr. Cuenca right now about this cigar and he just stated that the filler and binder are the same as the classical line (the gold roundel band).

Thank you for your further investigation into this matter Adam.