Tom Brady

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by The Poet

I tried to be nice and let it slide, but if you really insist on

That Sir, is not the same thing. It would happen to anyone, any team that achieved as much. Had the, oh I don't know, Browns achieved as much, they would be the target and it would be just as slimy. My issue is the nebulous standard of "proof", not the Pats, as such. As I wrote, I don't really watch football much; I am a baseball fan. Someone once said that when society discovers just how much injustice we will take, that's just how much we're gonna get. As an aside, what does it say about the NFL's standard of justice when a batterer gets only a two game suspension? It says a lot.

And one more time: Why were the under-inflated Indy game balls seemingly ignored? Are they not subject to the same standards? That in itself points to extreme bias. Same day. Same rule. Same "infraction". Different results. One more thing: The Combined Gas Law precisely accounts for the pressure discrepancy as observed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_gas_law

[Blueface]

I could be wrong and if I am, please correct me.
The Indy balls were not affected. The balls were presented to the officials to be used for the game and after inspected, NE deflated them. I am confused as to how Indy deflated balls keeps coming up in this discussion as theirs were not deflated.

Also, repeat offenders are punished more severely. That happens in our legal system all the time. There is no argument NE is a repeat offender. I think the punishment is a clear message to the Patriots and the league that these types of unethical repeated offenses will not be tolerated.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by Blueface

I could be wrong and if I am, please correct me.
The Indy balls were not affected. The balls were presented to the officials to be used for the game and after inspected, NE deflated them. I am confused as to how Indy deflated balls keeps coming up in this discussion as theirs were not deflated.

Also, repeat offenders are punished more severely. That happens in our legal system all the time. There is no argument NE is a repeat offender. I think the punishment is a clear message to the Patriots and the league that these types of unethical repeated offenses will not be tolerated.

12.5 psi is the minimum allowed pressure. Page 73 of the Wells report states that the 4 randomly selected Indy balls after the game measured out at:

12.5 psi
12.1 psi
12.45 psi
12.35 psi

Where the Patriots balls measured out at:

13.15 psi
12.95 psi
12.95 psi
13.25 psi

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

12.5 psi is the minimum allowed pressure. Page 73 of the Wells report states that the 4 randomly selected Indy balls after the game measured out at:

12.5 psi
12.1 psi
12.45 psi
12.35 psi

Where the Patriots balls measured out at:

13.15 psi
12.95 psi
12.95 psi
13.25 psi

Ahh....thanks.

Fear not, while there may be disagreement on level of punishment, I think many if not all will agree it will be reduced.

[mosesbotbol]

On appeal, Brady will be suspended 0-2 games is my prediction.

[14holestogie]

Here's a thought that may help explain the punishment.

Bill Clinton was not impeached for the BJ.
He was impeached for lying about it.

Yup, poor Tom.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by 14holestogie

Here's a thought that may help explain the punishment.

Bill Clinton was not impeached for the BJ.
He was impeached for lying about it.

Yup, poor Tom.

The Starr Report outlined a case for impeaching Clinton on 11 grounds, including perjury, obstruction of justice, witness-tampering, and abuse of power.

[Dave128]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

12.5 psi is the minimum allowed pressure. Page 73 of the Wells report states that the 4 randomly selected Indy balls after the game measured out at:

12.5 psi
12.1 psi
12.45 psi
12.35 psi

Where the Patriots balls measured out at:

13.15 psi
12.95 psi
12.95 psi
13.25 psi

What were they at half time for the Patriots? Isn't that what started this entire debacle?

[AdamJoshua]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

I should have stipulated Boston.

Born in breed in Boston, well my mother family was from Lynn, but father's side all Boston.


Oh course I was the only southerner in the bunch I was born in Miami Beach, like all good Jews should be. Oi!

[Dave128]

Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

Born in breed in Boston, well my mother family was from Lynn, but father's side all Boston.


Oh course I was the only southerner in the bunch I was born in Miami Beach, like all good Jews should be. Oi!

We all knew you had issues......

[icehog3]

If only we could be so passionate about real issues.

[AdamJoshua]

Originally Posted by Dave128

We all knew you had issues......

I think my phone knows something I don't

You know, Boston blue bloods and all.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by icehog3

If only we could be so passionate about real issues.

Justice is a real issue, Admiral. If we continue to accept lower and lower standards of it that's just what we'll get; that's why I'm so passionate about it. The news has been filled with reports of people convicted of murder being released because they've been exonerated by DNA evidence. Those people were convicted by a pretty high standard, "beyond a reasonable doubt" and that standard failed as well. Innocent people lost decades of their lives. If we expect justice for ourselves we must be scrupulous about defending it in all cases, no matter how small. Eternal vigilance, as Jefferson said.

[massphatness]

Originally Posted by 14holestogie

Bill Clinton was not impeached for the BJ.

BJ's! Now that's what I'm talking about!

[AdamJoshua]

Originally Posted by massphatness

BJ's! Now that's what I'm talking about!

[mhailey]

We need to start a movement to protest this blatant and pervasive corruption.

OCCUPY NFL.

WE can make signs, camp out in parking lots of the stadiums, break out our grills and cook on our tailgates, put up shade canopies, entertain ourselves by throwing a football to each other, maybe paint team logos on our bodies. That will get the message out that we will not tolerate this injustice.

[SD Beerman]

Originally Posted by massphatness

BJ's! Now that's what I'm talking about!

Serious issues......

[Dave128]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

12.5 psi is the minimum allowed pressure. Page 73 of the Wells report states that the 4 randomly selected Indy balls after the game measured out at:

12.5 psi
12.1 psi
12.45 psi
12.35 psi

Where the Patriots balls measured out at:

13.15 psi
12.95 psi
12.95 psi
13.25 psi

Originally Posted by Dave128

What were they at half time for the Patriots? Isn't that what started this entire debacle?

?????????????

[The Poet]

You're half right there, Adam. This thread is worthless. I'm out.

[14holestogie]

Originally Posted by massphatness

BJ's! Now that's what I'm talking about!

I talk about it a lot. That's as far as it goes.