Open Box Cellar Storage

mosesbotbol · 04-07-2020, 08:59 AM

Anyone here store an open box in their cellar? My cellar is primarily for wine storage, but I thought why not throw any open box and see how it goes?

I was down to two Monte No 2's left in a box and brought it into the cellar. Added two SP Belicoso & two JL No. 2's to see how they smoke at lower storage temp, but higher humidity. My cabinet is at 65% RH. Figure if this is a failure, the impact is 6 cigars at best...

I keep plenty of sealed boxes in my cellar, but not non-sealed.

Current setting this morning:

icehog3 · 04-07-2020, 11:31 AM

Following.

hotreds · 04-07-2020, 11:39 AM

Is it in a sealed container? I'd be afraid of bugs getting in an open box. Don't think I 'down want much above 75% humidity.

mosesbotbol · 04-07-2020, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hotreds

Is it in a sealed container? I'd be afraid of bugs getting in an open box. Don't think I 'down want much above 75% humidity.

No, they are not a sealed box. I am not worried about bugs. Too humid? Yes, that is a concern, but curious how a lower temperature plays into the actual humidity.

How long should I wait until trying the first cigar? Two weeks? A month?

Wharf Rat · 04-07-2020, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

No, they are not a sealed box. I am not worried about bugs. Too humid? Yes, that is a concern, but curious how a lower temperature plays into the actual humidity.

How long should I wait until trying the first cigar? Two weeks? A month?

The absolute humidity (same as concentration) has a nonlinear relationship with temperature and relative humidity. You can google it. Back during the cigar boom, there were constant flame wars over whether absolute or relative humidity was more important. It was largely agreed that the relative humidity was the key. People who make their living selling cigars or other agricultural products all use RH.

Geez, I hope we haven’t started the wars again!

mosesbotbol · 04-07-2020, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

The absolute humidity (same as concentration) has a nonlinear relationship with temperature and relative humidity. You can google it. Back during the cigar boom, there were constant flame wars over whether absolute or relative humidity was more important. It was largely agreed that the relative humidity was the key. People who make their living selling cigars or other agricultural products all use RH.

Geez, I hope we haven’t started the wars again!

My thought on doing this was I know of old timers who kept their cigars in their wine cellars, so why not give it a try? Could there be some flora that effects the cigars in the cellar? Maybe. The culatello's are inoculated with a starter culture. I don't mind a touch of mold on cigars.

I am very familiar with the cigars I put in the cellar. I have plenty of SP and JL's from the same cab's in my cabinet to compare.

Weelok · 04-07-2020, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

My thought on doing this was I know of old timers who kept their cigars in their wine cellars, so why not give it a try? Could there be some flora that effects the cigars in the cellar? Maybe. The culatello's are inoculated with a starter culture. I don't mind a touch of mold on cigars.

I am very familiar with the cigars I put in the cellar. I have plenty of SP and JL's from the same cab's in my cabinet to compare.

Gosh damn, that is my kind of dream cave. Your missing some Scotch and Whisky but I will assume that’s in your Spirits Attic

Some damn nice Port there!!!!!! Love a nice Port and cigar. Well, I love most anything and a cigar.

icehog3 · 04-07-2020, 11:57 AM

I'd say why not give it a month? They should definitely have acclimated to their new digs by then.

mosesbotbol · 04-07-2020, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I'd say why not give it a month? They should definitely have acclimated to their new digs by then.

Ok, I'll report back in a month, but if I have one earlier I will update as well.

markem · 04-07-2020, 11:59 AM

I agree with Tom about time, Moses. I, too, am following this thread. I assume that you have a finished basement? Sounds like it anyway.

I love these experiments. They so enrich our knowledge of our hobby. Thank you for doing this.

Havanaaddict · 04-07-2020, 12:42 PM

Low temp I would not worry about at all. I used to run my 7' Vinotemp cabinet at 55 temp for all my boxes sealed and open. But I ran the humidity in the low 60's even the high 50's. I have found 70% RH + all I get is tight bitter cigars. But this was in a cabinet you may get a different result cellar I will be fallowing this also!

mosesbotbol · 04-07-2020, 12:54 PM

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...I assume that you have a finished basement? Sounds like it anyway.

No, the basement is with bare concrete on purpose to hold the humidity better

This years Culatello's.

Havanaaddict · 04-07-2020, 01:02 PM

you just need some cheese and crackers and we can Quarantine in there for a few years!!!

mosesbotbol · 04-07-2020, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Havanaaddict

you just need some cheese and crackers and we can Quarantine in there for a few years!!!

This is a better view

Havanaaddict · 04-07-2020, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

This is a better view

Like wine and port much

WOW

T.G · 12-31-2021, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

This years Culatello's.

Mmmmm.....

Meat infused cigars. Jon Drew has nothing on you.

gomeitsmybday · 04-07-2020, 01:51 PM

Wowwww Moses good for you man, that is one hell of a cellar

hotreds · 04-07-2020, 05:07 PM

Anybody with a Corgi is A-OK in my book!

Scottw · 04-07-2020, 05:57 PM

I kept all my humidors with sealed and unsealed boxes in my cellar for 10 year with no humidification devices at all. The RH was always 63-65. Never a single problem

icehog3 · 04-07-2020, 08:22 PM

PARTY AT MOSES'!!

04-07-2020, 08:59 AM	#1
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Open Box Cellar Storage Anyone here store an open box in their cellar? My cellar is primarily for wine storage, but I thought why not throw any open box and see how it goes? I was down to two Monte No 2's left in a box and brought it into the cellar. Added two SP Belicoso & two JL No. 2's to see how they smoke at lower storage temp, but higher humidity. My cabinet is at 65% RH. Figure if this is a failure, the impact is 6 cigars at best... I keep plenty of sealed boxes in my cellar, but not non-sealed. Current setting this morning: __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

04-07-2020, 11:31 AM	#2
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,440 Trading: (60)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage Following. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

04-07-2020, 11:39 AM	#3
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,664 Trading: (63)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage Is it in a sealed container? I'd be afraid of bugs getting in an open box. Don't think I 'down want much above 75% humidity. __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

04-07-2020, 11:57 AM	#8
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,440 Trading: (60)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage I'd say why not give it a month? They should definitely have acclimated to their new digs by then. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

04-07-2020, 11:59 AM	#10
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,625 Trading: (47)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage I agree with Tom about time, Moses. I, too, am following this thread. I assume that you have a finished basement? Sounds like it anyway. I love these experiments. They so enrich our knowledge of our hobby. Thank you for doing this. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

04-07-2020, 12:42 PM	#11
Havanaaddict Man in Black!!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: V.I.P Room Partagas Factory Posts: 3,465 Trading: (1)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage Low temp I would not worry about at all. I used to run my 7' Vinotemp cabinet at 55 temp for all my boxes sealed and open. But I ran the humidity in the low 60's even the high 50's. I have found 70% RH + all I get is tight bitter cigars. But this was in a cabinet you may get a different result cellar I will be fallowing this also! __________________ "If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions." "Hav-a-na nice day"

04-07-2020, 01:02 PM	#13
Havanaaddict Man in Black!!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: V.I.P Room Partagas Factory Posts: 3,465 Trading: (1)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage you just need some cheese and crackers and we can Quarantine in there for a few years!!! __________________ "If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions." "Hav-a-na nice day"

04-07-2020, 01:51 PM	#17
gomeitsmybday Feeling at Home Join Date: Aug 2018 First Name: Michael Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 945 Trading: (5)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage Wowwww Moses good for you man, that is one hell of a cellar

04-07-2020, 05:07 PM	#18
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,664 Trading: (63)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage Anybody with a Corgi is A-OK in my book! __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

04-07-2020, 05:57 PM	#19
Scottw Going Commando Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Location: Sussex, NJ Posts: 2,815 Trading: (6)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage I kept all my humidors with sealed and unsealed boxes in my cellar for 10 year with no humidification devices at all. The RH was always 63-65. Never a single problem __________________ "Ray when someone asks you if your a GOD you say yes."

04-07-2020, 08:22 PM	#20
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,440 Trading: (60)	Re: Open Box Cellar Storage PARTY AT MOSES'!! __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!