What makes me sick is........

12-08-2008, 12:24 PM

No, really.

I've been wondering for a while what actually makes one sick

when smoking a cigar. As far as I can recall, I've only become nauseous once and certainly never threw up, although I mostly smoke after I've at least eaten something. I know some on here have certainly had their fair share of 'cigar-sickness' so I look to you for some words of wisdom.

1) What actually makes you sick? We put the cigar to our lips, take a puff & exhale, either all through the mouth or partially through the mouth and nose and don't inhale. The smoke can't be in our bodies for more than 10 seconds and that's even a stretch, I think. Of course, we repeat the process for a good hour, hour and a half so 'something' must build up.

I'm looking for some scientific explanation....like what do you absorb or breathe in in that short time that would make your body react physically? And why....how?

2) Are there particular cigars that are more likely to make us sick? Why?

3) Why would eating something really make a difference? Again, I'm looking for the scientific/biological perspective... and I imagine it's much like with drinking...something in your stomach slows the absorption process....(I may have just answered my own question.)

4) Since we're on the topic, what is it that physiologically gives you that buzz, if it does? What takes place to give you that buzz from this short intake of smoke?

5) Do you grow a tolerance for this buzz much like with alcohol based on the amount you smoke so that after awhile you don't necessarily get that buzz you did earlier in your hobby?

Mugen910 · 12-08-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreindeer

1) What actually makes you sick?

It's the nicotine and combination of not having enough clean air in my system.

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Originally Posted by mrreindeer

2) Are there particular cigars that are more likely to make us sick? Why?

Stronger ones to my recollection. I'd be more likely to get sick of off a JdN Antanes versus say a Padron 2000. I would also say it's the compiling effect of the cigars too. Smoking one is fine but 3-5 makes a huge difference.

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Originally Posted by mrreindeer

3) Why would eating something really make a difference?

I'm not fully sure but IMHO it has the same effect as alcohol on an empty stomach. I would assume the food in your system helps absorb the nicotine better?

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Originally Posted by mrreindeer

4) Since we're on the topic, what is it that physiologically gives you that buzz, if it does? What takes place to give you that buzz from this short intake of smoke?

Too much "Vitamin N."

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Originally Posted by mrreindeer

5) Do you grow a tolerance for this buzz much like with alcohol based on the amount you smoke so that after awhile you don't necessarily get that buzz you did earlier in your hobby?

Yes...and on the same token your tolerance goes away fast if you don't keep it up. I was smoking JdN Antanes and MK Ultras just fine during the warmer time of year..now that I do not get out to smoke much I seem to have a had time with 2-3 party shorts or RS12s.

12-08-2008, 12:37 PM

Thanks Bao! What is it about that dang JdN Antano? That was the one that made me queezy too!

Swampper · 12-08-2008, 12:50 PM

Nicotine.

Try this experiment:
Go bum a big pinch of Copenhagen off of someone.
Make sure you have a trash can near by.
Let us know how that worked out.

12-08-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Swampper

Nicotine.

Try this experiment:
Go bum a big pinch of Copenhagen off of someone.
Make sure you have a trash can near by.
Let us know how that worked out.

Fo Show,
I had a buddy quit smoking cigarettes for 3 months, he wanted a pinch of my Cope, two minutes he was

like a dog. He still doesn't smoke cigs and won't touch the Cope. Major kick.

Genetic Defect · 12-08-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreindeer

Thanks Bao! What is it about that dang JdN Antano? That was the one that made me queezy too!

nic tolerance is low.

Buena Fortuna · 12-08-2008, 07:50 PM

Wouldn't know...never been sick smoking a cigar

GKitty · 12-08-2008, 12:35 PM

Well done, Bao. You're so smart!

Mugen910 · 12-08-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GKitty

Well done, Bao. You're so smart!

Thanks..now convince others the same please..

Whee · 12-08-2008, 12:37 PM

I would venture to say it's the nicotine...some people have more tolerance for it than others.

I have only been sickened by two cigars. One was a RP Edge that I smoked on an empty stomach...was cigar #2 in my smoking career. I missed the "eat before you smoke" memo.

The other was a private label at the Bull and Bear in Naperviile. Tchariya can attest that about half through, i started to turn a little green. Had to set it down for a bit, then smoked a little more.

Normally, I just get a little buzz from the stronger sticks. But no..

12-08-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by illinoishoosier

I would venture to say it's the nicotine...some people have more tolerance for it than others.

I have only been sickened by two cigars. One was a RP Edge that I smoked on an empty stomach...was cigar #2 in my smoking career. I missed the "eat before you smoke" memo.

The other was a private label at the Bull and Bear in Naperviile. Tchariya can attest that about half through, i started to turn a little green. Had to set it down for a bit, then smoked a little more.

Normally, I just get a little buzz from the stronger sticks. But no..

I can testify that the man is a smoking machine! If you didn't get sick in Charleston, I would doubt what can make you sick...

I'm jealous however. I've gotten to smoke a few of Than's cigars but have never met him in person. Now he's an Illini fan!

BTW, at least you turned GREEN and not red and white!

dannyboy · 12-08-2008, 02:27 PM

As for why the nicotine can enter your body so quickly, the answer I have was found in this article (thank gettysburgfreak for finding it). It says that the smoke from cigars is more alkaline than from cigarettes, this alkalinity allows for more rapid absorption of the nicotine through the membranes in the mouth. No need to inhale, and still get the nic like you would from inhaling a cigarette.

Here is the link if you wanna read it:
http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/tcrb...phs/9/m9_1.PDF

Whee · 12-08-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jbo57

I can testify that the man is a smoking machine! If you didn't get sick in Charleston, I would doubt what can make you sick...

I'm jealous however. I've gotten to smoke a few of Than's cigars but have never met him in person. Now he's an Illini fan!

BTW, at least you turned GREEN and not red and white!

or Blue and Orange...

12-08-2008, 12:46 PM

I think I need to get one of those JdN Antano. I don't get a buzz anymore but I also dip Copenhagen, STRONG on "Vitamin N".

Mugen910 · 12-08-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kdog

I think I need to get one of those JdN Antano. I don't get a buzz anymore but I also dip Copenhagen, STRONG on "Vitamin N".

PM Sent.

12-08-2008, 12:48 PM

nicotine plays havoc with your blood sugar levels, eating helps to combat this. Simplest solution to nicotine sickness is a sugar cube.

NCRadioMan · 12-08-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scimmia

nicotine plays havoc with your blood sugar levels, eating helps to combat this. Simplest solution to nicotine sickness is a sugar cube.

Yep! Nicotine lowers you levels and the effects you feel are the symptoms of that low-blood sugar. That's why a full stomache and/or a sugary drink or sugar packet will help combat this.

Lucky_Hippo · 12-08-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scimmia

nicotine plays havoc with your blood sugar levels, eating helps to combat this. Simplest solution to nicotine sickness is a sugar cube.

A box of sugar cubes tossed in your Herf kit is a bright idea indeed!

ucla695 · 12-08-2008, 12:53 PM

1. I agree, it’s definitely the nicotine, which is absorbed by the mouth. I imagine it’s similar to the mechanism in which sub-lingual medications are absorbed into the blood stream.

2. Cigars with more nicotine are more likely to cause people to get sick.

3. I’m not sure, but it might have to do with sugar content in the blood and the way it’s processed by the body.

4. See Psychoactive effects in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

5. Yes, your tolerance to nicotine will increase.

12-08-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Swampper

Nicotine.

Try this experiment:
Go bum a big pinch of Copenhagen off of someone.
Make sure you have a trash can near by.
Let us know how that worked out.

uh, I think I'll pass.....although it sounds wonderful!

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Originally Posted by ucla695

1. I agree, it’s definitely the nicotine, which is absorbed by the mouth. I imagine it’s similar to the mechanism in which sub-lingual medications are absorbed into the blood stream.

2. Cigars with more nicotine are more likely to cause people to get sick.

3. I’m not sure, but it might have to do with sugar content in the blood and the way it’s processed by the body.

4. See Psychoactive effects in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

5. Yes, your tolerance to nicotine will increase.

Thanks Mike; so what makes one cigar have more nicotine than another?

12-08-2008, 12:24 PM	#1
mrreindeer Guest Posts: n/a	What makes me sick is........ No, really. I've been wondering for a while what actually makes one sick when smoking a cigar. As far as I can recall, I've only become nauseous once and certainly never threw up, although I mostly smoke after I've at least eaten something. I know some on here have certainly had their fair share of 'cigar-sickness' so I look to you for some words of wisdom. 1) What actually makes you sick? We put the cigar to our lips, take a puff & exhale, either all through the mouth or partially through the mouth and nose and don't inhale. The smoke can't be in our bodies for more than 10 seconds and that's even a stretch, I think. Of course, we repeat the process for a good hour, hour and a half so 'something' must build up. I'm looking for some scientific explanation....like what do you absorb or breathe in in that short time that would make your body react physically? And why....how? 2) Are there particular cigars that are more likely to make us sick? Why? 3) Why would eating something really make a difference? Again, I'm looking for the scientific/biological perspective... and I imagine it's much like with drinking...something in your stomach slows the absorption process....(I may have just answered my own question.) 4) Since we're on the topic, what is it that physiologically gives you that buzz, if it does? What takes place to give you that buzz from this short intake of smoke? 5) Do you grow a tolerance for this buzz much like with alcohol based on the amount you smoke so that after awhile you don't necessarily get that buzz you did earlier in your hobby?

12-08-2008, 12:37 PM	#3
mrreindeer Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What makes me sick is........ Thanks Bao! What is it about that dang JdN Antano? That was the one that made me queezy too!

12-08-2008, 12:50 PM	#4
Swampper Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indian Territory Posts: 108 Trading: (0)	Re: What makes me sick is........ Nicotine. Try this experiment: Go bum a big pinch of Copenhagen off of someone. Make sure you have a trash can near by. Let us know how that worked out.

12-08-2008, 07:50 PM	#7
Buena Fortuna Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Sam Location: SE Michigan Posts: 637 Trading: (18)	Re: What makes me sick is........ Wouldn't know...never been sick smoking a cigar __________________ Build a man a fire and he will be warm for hours. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

12-08-2008, 12:35 PM	#8
GKitty JAFO Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Crystal Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 1,938 Trading: (8)	Re: What makes me sick is........ Well done, Bao. You're so smart! __________________ A lost SOTL wandering the weird landscape of domesticity.

12-08-2008, 12:37 PM	#10
Whee formerly illinoishoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Sean Location: Bishopville, SC Posts: 3,591 Trading: (17)	Re: What makes me sick is........ I would venture to say it's the nicotine...some people have more tolerance for it than others. I have only been sickened by two cigars. One was a RP Edge that I smoked on an empty stomach...was cigar #2 in my smoking career. I missed the "eat before you smoke" memo. The other was a private label at the Bull and Bear in Naperviile. Tchariya can attest that about half through, i started to turn a little green. Had to set it down for a bit, then smoked a little more. Normally, I just get a little buzz from the stronger sticks. But no.. __________________ "Maybe I'm wrong, when they tell me they're right…..naaaaahhhhhh, I'm an asshooooooleeee"--Denis Leary

12-08-2008, 02:27 PM	#12
dannyboy Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Daniel Location: Maui, HI Posts: 202 Trading: (31)	Re: What makes me sick is........ As for why the nicotine can enter your body so quickly, the answer I have was found in this article (thank gettysburgfreak for finding it). It says that the smoke from cigars is more alkaline than from cigarettes, this alkalinity allows for more rapid absorption of the nicotine through the membranes in the mouth. No need to inhale, and still get the nic like you would from inhaling a cigarette. Here is the link if you wanna read it: http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/tcrb...phs/9/m9_1.PDF

12-08-2008, 12:46 PM	#14
kdog Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What makes me sick is........ I think I need to get one of those JdN Antano. I don't get a buzz anymore but I also dip Copenhagen, STRONG on "Vitamin N".

12-08-2008, 12:48 PM	#16
Scimmia Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What makes me sick is........ nicotine plays havoc with your blood sugar levels, eating helps to combat this. Simplest solution to nicotine sickness is a sugar cube.

12-08-2008, 12:53 PM	#19
ucla695 Neither here, nor there Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pool Posts: 3,696 Trading: (5)	Re: What makes me sick is........ 1. I agree, it’s definitely the nicotine, which is absorbed by the mouth. I imagine it’s similar to the mechanism in which sub-lingual medications are absorbed into the blood stream. 2. Cigars with more nicotine are more likely to cause people to get sick. 3. I’m not sure, but it might have to do with sugar content in the blood and the way it’s processed by the body. 4. See Psychoactive effects in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine 5. Yes, your tolerance to nicotine will increase.