Does "Icing" the kicker really work?

Tonight the Eagles beat the Giants in a nail biter. But, with 15 seconds left the Giants had a chance to take the lead but missed the kick. BUT WAIT, Andy Ried called a timeout. He missed the first, and the second attempt.

The question is. "Isn't this whole concept bush-league, and shouldn't it be stopped?"

[NeuRon]

I think its one of the stupidest strategies in all of sports; not just football..

Besides the fact that it doesnt really work, it is kind of common sense. In most cases, your giving the kicker a practice kick anyways..

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by Justinphilly

Tonight the Eagles beat the Giants in a nail biter. But, with 15 seconds left the Giants had a chance to take the lead but missed the kick. BUT WAIT, Andy Ried called a timeout. He missed the first, and the second attempt.

The question is. "Isn't this whole concept bush-league, and shouldn't it be stopped?"

How is it "bush league" to use a timeout that would otherwise go to waste?
It doesnt matter if it works or not.

Originally Posted by NeuRon

I think its one of the stupidest strategies in all of sports; not just football..

What other sport is it used to make a kicker delay a kick?

Besides the fact that it doesnt really work, it is kind of common sense. In most cases, your giving the kicker a practice kick anyways..

If it worked once in the history of football, then it works. Your statement is just silly.

[NeuRon]

All sports involve niche strategies.. And out of all of them, i believe this to be the dumbest..

BTW, This is a thread based on opinion, is it not? So to me, YOUR statement is silly..

[NeuRon]

So by your submission, doing something once (out of a million tries) successfully means it will work (yes), but does that make it smart? (nope)

Alot of people have tried to rob banks.. Sure its worked plenty of times, and people get away with it.. does that make it a gleaming idea?

[bobarian]

Your statements are completely void of facts. If a team has a timeout why not use it before the game ends? Please give me a viable reason or something based upon fact that would show this to be a flawed strategy and a waste of time?

Please cite another sports example of such a "niche" strategy? Maybe a batter stepping out the box to get the pitcher out of his rhythm? "The Shift"?
A golfer using his putter as a plumb bob? Deferring a winning coin toss to the second half? Spiking the ball to stop the clock?

[NeuRon]

Originally Posted by bobarian

Your statements are completely void of facts.

Thats because it was my opinion....

Originally Posted by bobarian

Please cite another sports example of such a "niche" strategy? Maybe a batter stepping out the box to get the pitcher out of his rhythm? "The Shift"?
A golfer using his putter as a plumb bob? Deferring a winning coin toss to the second half? Spiking the ball to stop the clock?

Oh, and you forgot Hack a Shaq

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by bobarian

Please cite another sports example of such a "niche" strategy?

As dumb as, "icing" the kicker? That's easy. Sliding into first base.

[NeuRon]

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...ctive-practice

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ng-kicker-work

[elderboy02]

Icing doesn't work. I have read many articles where in fact, not icing the kicker usually works in favor of the team who didn't call a time out.

[OLS]

Originally Posted by elderboy02

Icing doesn't work. I have read many articles where in fact, not icing the kicker usually works in favor of the team who didn't call a time out.

I tend to believe THIS. I think they have always said kickers are mini-mental cases to begin with.
If the kicker KNOWS there is a timeout remaining, and he is going through his routine, RIGHT UP TO
SECOND that ball is snapped, the kicker is waiting for the whistle to blow, and NOT thinking about the kick.

"IS LUCY GOING TO PULL THAT FOOTBALL OUT OF THERE??"

To me it's like running to set up play action. You HAVE to run now and again to make the play action a viable
threat. I see not calling that timeout most of the time as a strategy. Provided of course that you occasionally
DO call one.

[Blak Smyth]

Depends on the kicker and situation, it works occasionaly. If I was a kicker, I would hate it. As a fan I don't care as long as it doesn't work against my team

[BlkDrew]

The packers and saints game last night was a great example. In the last 3 minutes of the game.

[NeuRon]

^^guys we are gonna need more evidence and facts!! Opinion doesnt matter!!

[Blak Smyth]

From wiki:
"A study was undertaken by Scott Berry, a statistician and the former chairman of the Statistics in Sports section of the American Statistical Association, and Craig Wood, a biostatistician and the Henry Hood Center for Health Research Pillar Award winner, which was published in 2004 in the journal Chance. Berry and Wood looked at every field-goal attempt made in the 2002 and 2003 NFL seasons, including playoffs, and concluded that, for "pressure kicks" – those made with 3 minutes or less remaining in the game or overtime period which would tie the game up or put the kicking team in the lead – in the 40-55 yard range, icing the kicker caused the percentage of successful attempts to drop by about ten percent for an average kicker on a sunny day. On shorter kicks, the effect was found to be negligible. However, the statistical signficance of the difference found – which amounted to four kicks out of 39 attempts – has been questioned, and an examination by Nick Stamms of STATS, Inc. found that "pressure kicks" (defined as above except within two minutes, not three) in the NFL regular season from 1991 to 2005 showed an insignificant difference between non-iced kicks (457 out of 637, or 71.7%) and iced kicks (152 out of 211 or 72%)."

Take it for what it is worth.

[CigarNut]

Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

From wiki:
"A study was undertaken by Scott Berry, a statistician and the former chairman of the Statistics in Sports section of the American Statistical Association, and Craig Wood, a biostatistician and the Henry Hood Center for Health Research Pillar Award winner, which was published in 2004 in the journal Chance. Berry and Wood looked at every field-goal attempt made in the 2002 and 2003 NFL seasons, including playoffs, and concluded that, for "pressure kicks" – those made with 3 minutes or less remaining in the game or overtime period which would tie the game up or put the kicking team in the lead – in the 40-55 yard range, icing the kicker caused the percentage of successful attempts to drop by about ten percent for an average kicker on a sunny day. On shorter kicks, the effect was found to be negligible. However, the statistical signficance of the difference found – which amounted to four kicks out of 39 attempts – has been questioned, and an examination by Nick Stamms of STATS, Inc. found that "pressure kicks" (defined as above except within two minutes, not three) in the NFL regular season from 1991 to 2005 showed an insignificant difference between non-iced kicks (457 out of 637, or 71.7%) and iced kicks (152 out of 211 or 72%)."

Take it for what it is worth.

Thanks for siting factual information Shane!

[NeuRon]

Ask Pete Carroll how he feels abot icing a kicker now

Unreal. They would have won that game... DUMB

[Ubiquitous]

Originally Posted by NeuRon

Ask Pete Carroll how he feels abot icing a kicker now

Unreal. They would have won that game... DUMB

Don't let that take away from Russell Wilson playing like a ROCKSTAR

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by NeuRon

Ask Pete Carroll how he feels abot icing a kicker now

Unreal. They would have won that game... DUMB

FWIW, that timeout came well before the snap of the ball, and so did the whistle.
I think when it was snapped, and subsequently kicked, the center, holder, and kicker were well aware that it was a "practice try".

[forgop]

What does work is getting the timeout called only for the kicker to miss and be granted the timeout, only then to go on and kick the game winning FG.