Braun wins appeal

14holestogie · 02-23-2012, 05:07 PM

Did not expect this, but welcome news to Brewer's fans.

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...ension-drugs/1

02-23-2012, 05:08 PM

Big for the Brew Crew

GreekGodX · 02-23-2012, 05:10 PM

Heard it was because a courier didn't take positive test to fed ex building thought it was closed Saturday night. Huge win for Braun and the Brewers.

kelmac07 · 02-23-2012, 08:31 PM

This is HUGE for the Brew Crew. I must admit, I didn't think he had a chance in hell to win this appeal.

yourchoice · 02-23-2012, 10:22 PM

Wow, didn't see that coming.

elderboy02 · 02-23-2012, 10:36 PM

I wonder how much Braun paid the courier to mess up the delivery

Braun will always be a cheater in my book. Test positive, you are guilty. Stupid technicalities.

chippewastud79 · 02-23-2012, 10:40 PM

The test administrator followed protocol, kept the specimen sealed and put it in the mail the next business day. Somehow, because protocol told him to wait until he can send it FedEx, Braun gets to walk because the sample stayed sealed for 2 days.

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

I wonder how much Braun paid the courier to mess up the delivery

Braun will always be a cheater in my book. Test positive, you are guilty. Stupid technicalities.

I wonder if your attitude would be the same if he played for the Reds.

elderboy02 · 02-23-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79

I wonder if your attitude would be the same if he played for the Reds.

Yep. I don't like cheaters.

chippewastud79 · 02-23-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

Yep. I don't like cheaters.

Unfortunately, you like a lot of cheaters, just some of them haven't/won't be caught.

icehog3 · 02-23-2012, 11:24 PM

I watch Cheaters on TV all the time, and I've never seen Ryan Braun on it.

Good news for the Brew Crew.

never_enough · 02-24-2012, 07:13 AM

More power to him for finding a hole in the system. Now it can be fixed for future potential offenders.

The Poet · 02-24-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by never_enough

More power to him for finding a hole in the system. Now it can be fixed for future potential offenders.

That's just it, and the reason MLB should, IMHO, challenge this in federal court to get the decision overturned. From now on, every player will seek whatever loopholes he can find, or construct, to avoid the consequences of his poor choices.

Don't get me wrong . . . I'm not saying Braun is guilty, and skated on a mere technicality (though that second part is certainly true). What I am saying is that the matter of guilt or innocence should be determined by the truth, and not the facts. There is a difference.

icehog3 · 02-24-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poet

That's just it, and the reason MLB should, IMHO, challenge this in federal court to get the decision overturned. From now on, every player will seek whatever loopholes he can find, or construct, to avoid the consequences of his poor choices.

Don't get me wrong . . . I'm not saying Braun is guilty, and skated on a mere technicality (though that second part is certainly true). What I am saying is that the matter of guilt or innocence should be determined by the truth, and not the facts. There is a difference.

I agree with your logic, regardless of guilt in this particular case.

02-24-2012, 09:07 AM

Pretty pathetic that a loophole like that allows him to get off. As for a 20:1 ratio in the sample (as stated in the article), it's pretty damning. The likelihood that it was tampered with is slim to none. If any of you have taken a drug test, you'd know that the sample is supposed to be sealed in front of you, and you have forms to sign which match up with the seal tag on the vial. Overnight storage in a refrigerator will NOT affect the results. The metabolites won't be created, nor destroyed in the sample. As I'm sure most of you know, samples are preserved in refrigeration for years, so overnight before shipping to the testing facility is not an issue at all.

Hopefully the loophole is closed and other cheaters like Braun get the punishment they deserve. Look for a lot of backlash if he has a poor season. As I've seen others state, I'd bet that he'll come up a lot in the "random" testing throughout the year.

massphatness · 02-24-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanger

The likelihood that it was tampered with is slim to none.

This is what chain of custody is all about, right?

larryinlc · 02-24-2012, 11:03 AM

Aaron Rodgers says he's innocent so that's good enough for me.

14holestogie · 02-24-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by massphatness

This is what chain of custody is all about, right?

Exactly. The end result is Braun appealed, based on a bargained procedure that was not followed, and won his appeal based on that lack of procedure being followed. If you want to ban based on the rules you have to follow the rules.

Of course, Scott said it much more eloquently above. What can I say. I'm at work and I don't like to think that hard here.

Stephen · 02-24-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

I wonder how much Braun paid the courier to mess up the delivery

Braun will always be a cheater in my book. Test positive, you are guilty. Stupid technicalities.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wanger

Hopefully the loophole is closed and other cheaters like Braun get the punishment they deserve. Look for a lot of backlash if he has a poor season.

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Originally Posted by Wanger

As I've seen others state, I'd bet that he'll come up a lot in the "random" testing throughout the year.

Like the three he passed during the regular season, or the one he passed immediately after the, "positive" test?

larryinlc · 02-24-2012, 02:08 PM

This would have been interesting.....

"He and his lawyers, sources say, offered a DNA sample that could have been compared to the urine sample to determine whether the urine came from Braun. It was a bold move by Braun attorneys David Cornwell and Christopher Lyons. But instead of agreeing to a DNA test that would have determined conclusively whether it was Braun's urine that tested positive, MLB declined the offer. The refusal to agree to the DNA test likely pushed the arbitrator toward a ruling for Braun. It was also a major first step for Braun in the effort to clear his name. He and his attorneys can now argue that he was clean and that MLB deliberately denied him the opportunity to prove that scientifically"

02-24-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by larryinlc

This would have been interesting.....

"He and his lawyers, sources say, offered a DNA sample that could have been compared to the urine sample to determine whether the urine came from Braun. It was a bold move by Braun attorneys David Cornwell and Christopher Lyons. But instead of agreeing to a DNA test that would have determined conclusively whether it was Braun's urine that tested positive, MLB declined the offer. The refusal to agree to the DNA test likely pushed the arbitrator toward a ruling for Braun. It was also a major first step for Braun in the effort to clear his name. He and his attorneys can now argue that he was clean and that MLB deliberately denied him the opportunity to prove that scientifically"

Didn't the MLB agree to the DNA test after they at first declined? I thought the ball was back in Braun's court and his party declined.

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elderboy02 Lets Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dan Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 12,509 Trading: (133)	Re: Braun wins appeal I wonder how much Braun paid the courier to mess up the delivery Braun will always be a cheater in my book. Test positive, you are guilty. Stupid technicalities.

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icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,440 Trading: (60)	Re: Braun wins appeal I watch Cheaters on TV all the time, and I've never seen Ryan Braun on it. Good news for the Brew Crew. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

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Wanger Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Braun wins appeal Pretty pathetic that a loophole like that allows him to get off. As for a 20:1 ratio in the sample (as stated in the article), it's pretty damning. The likelihood that it was tampered with is slim to none. If any of you have taken a drug test, you'd know that the sample is supposed to be sealed in front of you, and you have forms to sign which match up with the seal tag on the vial. Overnight storage in a refrigerator will NOT affect the results. The metabolites won't be created, nor destroyed in the sample. As I'm sure most of you know, samples are preserved in refrigeration for years, so overnight before shipping to the testing facility is not an issue at all. Hopefully the loophole is closed and other cheaters like Braun get the punishment they deserve. Look for a lot of backlash if he has a poor season. As I've seen others state, I'd bet that he'll come up a lot in the "random" testing throughout the year.

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larryinlc Angry Packer Fan Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Larry Location: Starvalley Posts: 325 Trading: (15)	Re: Braun wins appeal This would have been interesting..... "He and his lawyers, sources say, offered a DNA sample that could have been compared to the urine sample to determine whether the urine came from Braun. It was a bold move by Braun attorneys David Cornwell and Christopher Lyons. But instead of agreeing to a DNA test that would have determined conclusively whether it was Braun's urine that tested positive, MLB declined the offer. The refusal to agree to the DNA test likely pushed the arbitrator toward a ruling for Braun. It was also a major first step for Braun in the effort to clear his name. He and his attorneys can now argue that he was clean and that MLB deliberately denied him the opportunity to prove that scientifically"