Baseball Hall of Fame

kelmac07 · 01-10-2012, 06:04 AM

Congrats to Barry Larkin for being selected for induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Now a friendly word to the voters...WAKE UP!!! How the hell did Jeff Bagwell not make it in again this year? He played in an era where steriods were present, but never once was suspended or found guilty of using them. Yet, the voters shut him out once again. McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro...got it!! I wish the voters would use FACTS and not assumptions when casting their ballots.

Gophernut · 01-10-2012, 08:22 AM

I completely agree with you Mac. Bag's numbers say one thing about the guy. He should be in the Hall. He is simply guilty by association. He got bigger as his career went on and hit more home runs, therefore he must be juicing. What a crock. I also think it's a shame that Jack Morris isn't in yet either. He was simply the best pitcher of the 1980's. And if for nothing else, that game 7 of the 1991 World Series should get him in! I am biased about that one though.

yachties23 · 01-10-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gophernut

I completely agree with you Mac. Bag's numbers say one thing about the guy. He should be in the Hall. He is simply guilty by association. He got bigger as his career went on and hit more home runs, therefore he must be juicing. What a crock. I also think it's a shame that Jack Morris isn't in yet either. He was simply the best pitcher of the 1980's. And if for nothing else, that game 7 of the 1991 World Series should get him in! I am biased about that one though.

Maybe Its me but I kinda lump Bagwell in with those guys as well. I'm sorry but it is definitely guilt by association. I do agree that Morris should be in the hall, and that there are most certainly guys who are in the hall that weren't half as good as he was.

BigAsh · 01-10-2012, 08:29 AM

good blog on the topic....about the upcoming 2013 class...

http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbsspor...97882/34288363

357 · 01-10-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gophernut

I completely agree with you Mac. Bag's numbers say one thing about the guy. He should be in the Hall. He is simply guilty by association. He got bigger as his career went on and hit more home runs, therefore he must be juicing. What a crock. I also think it's a shame that Jack Morris isn't in yet either. He was simply the best pitcher of the 1980's. And if for nothing else, that game 7 of the 1991 World Series should get him in! I am biased about that one though.

I can't stand the "first ballot, second ballot" label these elitist voters slap these guys with. What's worse is when they wait until the guy dies then put him in post-mordem. Gee thanks.

There's no reason not to put Jack Morris in the hall. For that matter, look at Lou Whitaker's numbers compared to other 2nd basemen that are already in yet he's barely an afterthought.

BigAsh · 01-10-2012, 10:59 AM

Tigers fan Mike?

....big Sweet Lou fan.....Lou and Trammell made a great combo...

357 · 01-10-2012, 11:30 AM

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Tigers fan Mike?

....big Sweet Lou fan.....Lou and Trammell made a great combo...

You saw through me. But, I'm not arguing my feelings per se. The stats backup Lou and Morris. Tram, not as much, but it's not a huge strech. It would be nice for all three to get in.

chaase321 · 01-10-2012, 08:33 AM

I totally agree Mac! Larkin is one of my all time favs!

Also...I think some people who vote, simply vote based on names they know rather than how people played.

elderboy02 · 01-10-2012, 08:39 AM

Barry Larkin was my idol growing up here in Cincy. Glad to see him make it in!

Starscream · 01-10-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

Barry Larkin was my idol growing up here in Cincy. Glad to see him make it in!

Congrats to Barry!

shilala · 01-10-2012, 09:08 AM

I'm having a major brain block trying to figure out who else came out in that rookie class with Bagwell that was also a monster. All I keep coming up with is Royce Clayton, and he sure isn't it.

I had to look it up, it was Chuck Knoblauch for the AL, and his numbers weren't close to Bag's.

kelmac07 · 01-10-2012, 09:34 AM

Scott...Knoblauch? Mr "I can't throw the ball to first anymore".

BigAsh · 01-10-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

Scott...Knoblauch? Mr "I can't throw the ball to first anymore".

but it was FUN to watch!!

shilala · 01-10-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

Scott...Knoblauch? Mr "I can't throw the ball to first anymore".

I can just remember all the stroke flying around when Bagwell came up. It may have been the year before. For some reason I had it in my head that he was tied real close to another ball player with a name that started with B.
It's just another massive memory failure, that's all.

Bagwell and Biggio. Hah!!! I got it.

It's just that none of the other stuff that was swimming around in my head was remotely connected.

icehog3 · 01-10-2012, 09:45 AM

Where's Jerry Koosman!?

01-10-2012, 06:04 AM	#1
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Baseball Hall of Fame Congrats to Barry Larkin for being selected for induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Now a friendly word to the voters...WAKE UP!!! How the hell did Jeff Bagwell not make it in again this year? He played in an era where steriods were present, but never once was suspended or found guilty of using them. Yet, the voters shut him out once again. McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro...got it!! I wish the voters would use FACTS and not assumptions when casting their ballots. __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!" Last edited by kelmac07; 01-10-2012 at 06:10 AM.

01-10-2012, 08:22 AM	#2
Gophernut Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Steve Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,661 Trading: (15)	Re: Baseball Hall of Fame I completely agree with you Mac. Bag's numbers say one thing about the guy. He should be in the Hall. He is simply guilty by association. He got bigger as his career went on and hit more home runs, therefore he must be juicing. What a crock. I also think it's a shame that Jack Morris isn't in yet either. He was simply the best pitcher of the 1980's. And if for nothing else, that game 7 of the 1991 World Series should get him in! I am biased about that one though. __________________ "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson

01-10-2012, 08:29 AM	#4
BigAsh Don't knock the Ash... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Keith Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 5,046 Trading: (46)	Re: Baseball Hall of Fame good blog on the topic....about the upcoming 2013 class... http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbsspor...97882/34288363 __________________ Keith

01-10-2012, 10:59 AM	#6
BigAsh Don't knock the Ash... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Keith Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 5,046 Trading: (46)	Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Tigers fan Mike? ....big Sweet Lou fan.....Lou and Trammell made a great combo... __________________ Keith

01-10-2012, 08:33 AM	#8
chaase321 ZOTL's mmmmm brainssss Join Date: Oct 2011 First Name: Cole Location: Woodbridge VA Posts: 2,114 Trading: (81)	Re: Baseball Hall of Fame I totally agree Mac! Larkin is one of my all time favs! Also...I think some people who vote, simply vote based on names they know rather than how people played. __________________ ZOTL our appetites will ALWAYS be bigger than your braaaiiiins... Support the Troop Support Contest 2014!!!

01-10-2012, 08:39 AM	#9
elderboy02 Lets Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dan Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 12,509 Trading: (133)	Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Barry Larkin was my idol growing up here in Cincy. Glad to see him make it in!

01-10-2012, 09:08 AM	#11
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Baseball Hall of Fame I'm having a major brain block trying to figure out who else came out in that rookie class with Bagwell that was also a monster. All I keep coming up with is Royce Clayton, and he sure isn't it. I had to look it up, it was Chuck Knoblauch for the AL, and his numbers weren't close to Bag's. __________________ Last edited by shilala; 01-10-2012 at 09:14 AM.

01-10-2012, 09:34 AM	#12
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Scott...Knoblauch? Mr "I can't throw the ball to first anymore". __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

01-10-2012, 09:45 AM	#15
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,440 Trading: (60)	Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Where's Jerry Koosman!? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!