Partagas Cifuentes 2006?

[WittyUserName]

So after a quick search of the forums I came up with nothing resembling a review of the cigar mentioned in the title of this thread. This cigar is CI's weekly deal and they are selling aged boxes for $49.95 here:

http://www.cigarsinternational.com/h...?emailsrc=true

If anybody has experience with this stick please let me know what you think.

thank you,
Adam

[Tbagley]

They sure sound tasty, but then again most of those ad's reflect smokes of good taste.

[dave]

There's a reason that CI and ccom are routinely advertising these at very low prices.

They are BORING.

What little flavor you get is not entirely pleasant. Tried them couple times during CI's earlier purges about two years ago. Maybe two more years has improved them, but I seriously doubt it.

[Bax]

Not good would pretty much sum up this and most NC Partagas. Can honestly say I've never had one I've liked.

[Bill86]

Originally Posted by Bax

Not good would pretty much sum up this and most NC Partagas. Can honestly say I've never had one I've liked.

This.

Ive had a couple NC Partagas, like 6 or so, 5 were some of the worst cigars ever. One was not bad "limited Reserve 1999" or something like that.

[SvilleKid]

Originally Posted by Bax

Not good would pretty much sum up this and most NC Partagas. Can honestly say I've never had one I've liked.

But here, you haven't JUST given your opinion on the specific cigar. You have made a blanket statement on pretty much any other cigar in a WHOLE brand line.

"if the opinions of those you respect say something is a turd, then it's good chance it's a turd."

And as to them being a "turd", when you say that, do you also realize you are basically saying that anyone that therefore likes these must like turds??????

Just saying that when you make blanket judgmental statements, you are conveying many more opinions than about a single cigar. Sorry, but I like many of the NC Partagas lines, which I guess, by inference, means I like to smoke turds??!!??

Maybe the better tact here would be to do an in-depth review on a cigar, instead of a blanket statement that the cigar is a turd. This conveys no information what-so-ever about a cigar. Nor does it give the questioner anything to really base his decision on. And, to be fair, smoke that cigar at least three times in three different settings and circumstances before writing any review, so you can give the stick a fair shot. Is this a "rule of three" that doesn't exist, but that should? I don't know. I do know that I have smoked many cigars a second and third time, under varying circumstances, and had different impressions about many of them over all three times (many times better, but several times sometimes worse!)

Hopefully, you see where I'm going with this. I'm purposely being over-the-top simply to re-emphasis that the opinions of a few people on a cigar board DOES NOT mean someone won't like a specific cigar, or a whole line of cigars! And, If you happen to be someone that does like the line (or manufacturer, for that matter) that someone else has completely written off, that doesn't mean you are a smoker that likes to smoke "turds". That simply means that you have different tastes, and don't necessary find a cigar "boring" because it doesn't excite a specific taste profile that someone else finds "exciting".

It is impossible to judge someone elses' tastes, experiences, motivations, judgments if you do not know those people personally and extensively. Heck, I have people I interact with in person, and have known for years, but I don't know enough about them to truly judge their abilities to have the same specific likes and dislikes as I have. I have had many people I know tell me I'd like a certain beer, only to find it too bitter for my tastes! It just goes to show that you need to listen to others opinions, but don't forget that opinions are like ....... Well, you know this one!

Again, NEVER take another smoker's opinion (even mine!) as gospel. Heck, this is a generous board. Ask for one to try before you buy. Chances are, if it is such a dog-rocket as several have portrayed, someone must have boxes of un-smoked ones they are just looking to give away!

And, if CI offers it on a regular basis, as seems to be the case, then the deal will come around again. And, if in the meantime, you have been gifted one or two, you may be in a position to judge for yourself.

[Bax]

Originally Posted by SvilleKid

But here, you haven't JUST given your opinion on the specific cigar. You have made a blanket statement on pretty much any other cigar in a WHOLE brand line. Yes, in my opinion. Isn't that what was asked for? By your definition all reviews are pointless unless your taste is the exact same as the reviewer.

"if the opinions of those you respect say something is a turd, then it's good chance it's a turd."

And as to them being a "turd", when you say that, do you also realize you are basically saying that anyone that therefore likes these must like turds??????
Did I say it was a turd? No, That is what you implied. I simply said that if the concensus of a cigar s bad then it should be taken as advice to those wanting to try the product.

Just saying that when you make blanket judgmental statements, you are conveying many more opinions than about a single cigar. Sorry, but I like many of the NC Partagas lines, which I guess, by inference, means I like to smoke turds??!!??

You may like to smoke turds.I don't know but if you like them then enjoy.
By the same token you're saying I like them so they aren't bad. Aren't you saying the same thing from the other side?

Maybe the better tact here would be to do an in-depth review on a cigar, instead of a blanket statement that the cigar is a turd. This conveys no information what-so-ever about a cigar. Nor does it give the questioner anything to really base his decision on. And, to be fair, smoke that cigar at least three times in three different settings and circumstances before writing any review, so you can give the stick a fair shot. Is this a "rule of three" that doesn't exist, but that should? I don't know. I do know that I have smoked many cigars a second and third time, under varying circumstances, and had different impressions about many of them over all three times (many times better, but several times sometimes worse!)Why? Why can't someone post a review of a single cigar if they want to?

Hopefully, you see where I'm going with this. I'm purposely being over-the-top simply to re-emphasis that the opinions of a few people on a cigar board DOES NOT mean someone won't like a specific cigar, or a whole line of cigars! And, If you happen to be someone that does like the line (or manufacturer, for that matter) that someone else has completely written off, that doesn't mean you are a smoker that likes to smoke "turds". That simply means that you have different tastes, and don't necessary find a cigar "boring" because it doesn't excite a specific taste profile that someone else finds "exciting".

Of course not and no one on here said they won't enjoy it. A little comon sense here goes a long way. Very few people on here ask for opinions on a single stick. Let me re-emphasize that all of these recomendations are personal thoughts. AS WAS ASKED FOR! To me, yes, NC Partagas are turds, as are CAO and Rocky Patel. Haven't had a single one I've liked. Doesn't mean that anyone else that likes them shouldn't smoke them or give them a shot.

It is impossible to judge someone elses' tastes, experiences, motivations, judgments if you do not know those people personally and extensively. Heck, I have people I interact with in person, and have known for years, but I don't know enough about them to truly judge their abilities to have the same specific likes and dislikes as I have. I have had many people I know tell me I'd like a certain beer, only to find it too bitter for my tastes! It just goes to show that you need to listen to others opinions, but don't forget that opinions are like ....... Well, you know this one!

Which is what I pretty much said in my last reply. Try it for yourself. So I'm not sure where you're going here.

Again, NEVER take another smoker's opinion (even mine!) as gospel. Heck, this is a generous board. Ask for one to try before you buy. Chances are, if it is such a dog-rocket as several have portrayed, someone must have boxes of un-smoked ones they are just looking to give away!
Sure, but was that what was asked? No... what was asked were peoples thoughts on the cigar. Which should be treated as opinions. Which was also mentioned before.

And, if CI offers it on a regular basis, as seems to be the case, then the deal will come around again. And, if in the meantime, you have been gifted one or two, you may be in a position to judge for yourself.

Hope this clears a little up. If you ask a question about anything you'll get answers yes and no. It's up to the asker to figure out what they'll do with the info. We're big boys and girls on here, I think we can figure out little things like this without people having to remind us that one single person doesn't know it all

[bobarian]

"By your definition all reviews are pointless unless your taste is the exact same as the reviewer."

This is quoted from the above post and emphasized here for truth.

Reviews are meaningless attempts to persuade others to see your point of view and gain their attention and admiration. There are no reviews of any kind which do not come from the subjective experiences of the reviewer.

In any field the most popular reviewers are either loved or hated by the majority of people. Some examples would be Suckling on cigars, Robert Parker on wine, Zagat on restaurants, etc. Although their reviews and others may be helpful, they are indeed pointless.

[ninjavanish]

Originally Posted by Bax

Hope this clears a little up. If you ask a question about anything you'll get answers yes and no. It's up to the asker to figure out what they'll do with the info. We're big boys and girls on here, I think we can figure out little things like this without people having to remind us that one single person doesn't know it all

I think you should apologize.

To be perfectly clear, I think you should apologize to everyone that works/worked on the NC Partagas line.

I find the tone of your previous comment calling the cigar and most others in the line "Turds" to be quite offensive and aggressive in nature.

I don't care if you don't like the cigar. That's fine, and if you'd like to provide an opinion to someone who's asked for it... that's fine as well. However, being rude and insulting of a product that many people have toiled, sweated and sacrificed over goes far beyond any of those things. I think you are a "big boy or girl" and understand when I say you should have known better. In fact, I'm quite content to say that you've got a serious issue with manners. You can give an opinion on a cigar, even a negative opinion without likening the cigar to fecal matter.

When it boils down to it, I feel like if you can't say something good, don't say anything at all.

[SvilleKid]

Originally Posted by Bax

Not good would pretty much sum up this and most NC Partagas. Can honestly say I've never had one I've liked.

My point about the review potential is missed, I guess! "not good... sums it up" to me, is just kinda saying nothing. How about "it's not good for me because: I find it one dimensional. Or, I have found, after trying half a dozen of these, after they sat for several weeks, to still have major draw issues. Or, some quantitive reason that you don't like them.

You point out that you enjoy reading a good review. I also find it much easier to give a cigar a chance (or cross it off my try-list if I have a good idea what to expect. For example, if I read several guys say that a cigar is spicy, then I have a pretty good idea it might taste like red pepper to me. Obviously, some descriptors are going to be more subjective, and not as useful. But, there is a multitude of descriptions that can be given, and are much more helpful than "they are bad".

That is the point I'm trying to make about reviews.

As to the other issues, I'm glad you're in agreement with my original posting that personal preference is best decided by each smoker. That's been said a lot on CA, I'm by no means the original thought on that. I'm sure that same thought will be posted again in the next day or week.

[bdgile]

Originally Posted by dave

There's a reason that CI and ccom are routinely advertising these at very low prices.

They are BORING.

What little flavor you get is not entirely pleasant. Tried them couple times during CI's earlier purges about two years ago. Maybe two more years has improved them, but I seriously doubt it.

I agree... Boring! I was sucked in by the description also and bought a box a few months ago.

[WittyUserName]

Thanks a ton guys!! That is exactly what I was look for from you all. These have been removed from my cart and CI tab has been closed. I have made it through the 3rd day in a row of not ordering cigars.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by WittyUserName

Thanks a ton guys!! That is exactly what I was look for from you all. These have been removed from my cart and CI tab has been closed. I have made it through the 3rd day in a row of not ordering cigars.

Still on the Wagon

[SvilleKid]

Originally Posted by WittyUserName

Thanks a ton guys!! That is exactly what I was look for from you all. These have been removed from my cart and CI tab has been closed. I have made it through the 3rd day in a row of not ordering cigars.

PLEASE, be aware that cigar tastes vary widely from person to person, and that one, two or three people that HATE a cigar (and it's entire line) does NOT mean you will dislike it. There are people on here that will readily tell you that they prefer sticks spicy or really strong, and that nothing else registers on their taste buds. The really smart guys like this will also tell you that this is their tastes only, and should NOT be taken to mean that you won't like something different. DO NOT let brand "haters" sway you from trying a cigar and deciding for yourself! If I went with what the nay-nay birds say, I'd have missed dozens of good smokes in my past, and dozens of good deals!

Take a chance on a fiver or a box, especially if they are very well priced, and judge for yourself! If you don't like them, send them to the troops. As can be seen in the posts after the one I'm quoting, there are several people that gave these a chance, and found them okay. There are guys in the cigar world that only like what they like, and anything else is automatically "bad", and NOT to be smoked. NEVER let those people sway you from trying a stick for yourself!!

BTW, for what it's worth, I have smoked a dozen or more Partagas of different sizes and composition. To date, I've NEVER had one plugged!!!. While some did not have flavor profiles I enjoyed, several did, and several were enjoyable, but not my cup of tea. Again, DO NOT be swayed by mine, or any other opinions. Your OWN tastes are important here! Unless you know for sure that your tastes are the same as stranger giving a biased review, decide for yourself!! (remember, everyone has a biased opinion about their own taste. That's the nature of opinions!)

A good research tool is to go to other posts of people giving their opinion about cigars. See if they like or pan cigars you've had already. This might give you a clue as to how their tastes might stack up against yours. Of course, you might find that some of the reviewers have many, many more cigars that they hate than they (apparently) enjoy.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by SvilleKid

PLEASE, be aware that cigar tastes vary widely from person to person, and that one, two or three people that HATE a cigar (and it's entire line) does NOT mean you will dislike it. There are people on here that will readily tell you that they prefer sticks spicy or really strong, and that nothing else registers on their taste buds. The really smart guys like this will also tell you that this is their tastes only, and should NOT be taken to mean that you won't like something different. DO NOT let brand "haters" sway you from trying a cigar and deciding for yourself! If I went with what the nay-nay birds say, I'd have missed dozens of good smokes in my past, and dozens of good deals!

Take a chance on a fiver or a box, especially if they are very well priced, and judge for yourself! If you don't like them, send them to the troops. As can be seen in the posts after the one I'm quoting, there are several people that gave these a chance, and found them okay. There are guys in the cigar world that only like what they like, and anything else is automatically "bad", and NOT to be smoked. NEVER let those people sway you from trying a stick for yourself!!

BTW, for what it's worth, I have smoked a dozen or more Partagas of different sizes and composition. To date, I've NEVER had one plugged!!!. While some did not have flavor profiles I enjoyed, several did, and several were enjoyable, but not my cup of tea. Again, DO NOT be swayed by mine, or any other opinions. Your OWN tastes are important here! Unless you know for sure that your tastes are the same as stranger giving a biased review, decide for yourself!! (remember, everyone has a biased opinion about their own taste. That's the nature of opinions!)

A good research tool is to go to other posts of people giving their opinion about cigars. See if they like or pan cigars you've had already. This might give you a clue as to how their tastes might stack up against yours. Of course, you might find that some of the reviewers have many, many more cigars that they hate than they (apparently) enjoy.

Excellent post Cliff. Great advice for the new guys.

[Bax]

PLEASE, be aware that cigar tastes vary widely from person to person, and that one, two or three people that HATE a cigar (and it's entire line) does NOT mean you will dislike it. There are people on here that will readily tell you that they prefer sticks spicy or really strong, and that nothing else registers on their taste buds. The really smart guys like this will also tell you that this is their tastes only, and should NOT be taken to mean that you won't like something different. DO NOT let brand "haters" sway you from trying a cigar and deciding for yourself! If I went with what the nay-nay birds say, I'd have missed dozens of good smokes in my past, and dozens of good deals!

Take a chance on a fiver or a box, especially if they are very well priced, and judge for yourself! If you don't like them, send them to the troops. As can be seen in the posts after the one I'm quoting, there are several people that gave these a chance, and found them okay. There are guys in the cigar world that only like what they like, and anything else is automatically "bad", and NOT to be smoked. NEVER let those people sway you from trying a stick for yourself!!

Yes, but the OP specificlly asked for opinoins of those who have tried these. All we can do is give an opinion and so far the majority gives it a . You should always make your own judgement about a stick but if the opinions of those you respect say something is a turd, then it's good chance it's a turd. Many of us have rolled the dice on cheap boxes and later wished we'd have asked around a bit, many people don't have extra cash to waste on a box that will never get smoked.

[Newbie_nick]

Originally Posted by WittyUserName

Thanks a ton guys!! That is exactly what I was look for from you all. These have been removed from my cart and CI tab has been closed. I have made it through the 3rd day in a row of not ordering cigars.

You're doing better than I am. I've only made it 2 days...

I've had them and I thought they were okay. I did end my smoking a little early.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by dave

There's a reason that CI and ccom are routinely advertising these at very low prices.

They are BORING.

What little flavor you get is not entirely pleasant. Tried them couple times during CI's earlier purges about two years ago. Maybe two more years has improved them, but I seriously doubt it.

You were let down by the rule of 3s?

[WittyUserName]

Thanks cliff, I looked through my Humi when I got home and found one of these. I am going to give it a try and see what I think.