65% HF beads reading 70%???

03-20-2011, 04:50 AM

I know yet another bead thread, but this is a strange one. I have 2 ounces of 65% HF beads in my 100 ct desktop humidor that I seasoned for a week (see thread) and both of my digitals (both recently calibrated with boveda calibration kit) are reading between 69-70%

I used the formula to see if I'm using enough beads and according to my humidor dimensions, 2 OZ. is plenty.

In my 54 ct. coolidor with four cedar trays, and 5-6 boxes of sticks, I am using the remaining 14 oz. of beads in a dish and my digital is reading 65%. I swapped out digital hygrometers just to see if there was a difference, and the desktop digital (from my cooler) ended up going up to 70%, and the digital in my desktop (that I moved to my cooler) ended up going down to 65%. It's my understanding that adding more than enough beads won't increase RH but will only improve the overall efficiency of said beads...........so what gives? How is it possible that 65% beads are holding RH in a seasoned humidor half full of sticks at 70%?

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=42972

03-20-2011, 05:48 AM

Some photos for clarification.

My only conclusion is that there aren't enough un-moistened beads to collect excess swings in humidity.

Emjaysmash · 03-20-2011, 05:49 AM

Did you have the beads in the humi while seasoning or add them once it was seasoned?

03-20-2011, 05:56 AM

No, I used bowls of DW and a seasoning packet from Boveda during the week long seasoning.........the beads, I just added a couple days ago. Maybe things will settle over time?

Emjaysmash · 03-20-2011, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatch83

No, I used bowls of DW and a seasoning packet from Boveda during the week long seasoning.........the beads, I just added a couple days ago. Maybe things will settle over time?

That's what I'm thinking. Give it time to level out as I think the humidor(s) are seasoned to 70%. Might be faster if you leave the beads out for a few hours to let some of the moisture in them go, then put them back in so they can pull in the "extra" humidity.\

Also, if your cigars are smoking up to par, then I wouldn't worry yourself too much. As long as you're enjoying your cigars then it really doesn't matter what RH you have.

76GTFan · 03-20-2011, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecatch83

No, I used bowls of DW and a seasoning packet from Boveda during the week long seasoning.........the beads, I just added a couple days ago. Maybe things will settle over time?

I have found that when seasoning a humi, it usually is in excess and the RH is higher than needed. My vino trays were close to 80RH when I seasoned. I had to open the door for 24 hours and then put my sticks back in.

Give it time to drop and it will stabilize.

03-20-2011, 06:12 AM

Precisely what I was thinking MJ.....furthermore, the last couple of cigars I have smoked both needed a relight, and smoked a little too green for my liking. I'm going to pull out my HF tube from my desktop for a day or two and reevaluate the RH.

Emjaysmash · 03-20-2011, 06:27 AM

Just remember to have patience with it. I've been in your situation a bunch of times and I always tried cutting corners to get the RH to exactly where I wanted it (the opposite of you though, I alway had to bring up the RH) and it never ended up the way I wanted it to. I ended up waiting anyway for the RH to come back naturally, only it took 2-3 days longer because I had to deal with my screw up.

Rest assured, your humi WILL reach your desired RH. Its only a matter of time. If your cigars feel a bit too squishy or moister overall, I'd plan ahead and drybox a cigar or 3 for when you'll be wanting a smoke later on.

03-20-2011, 06:39 AM

Thanks MJ....great advice and input! The beauty of it is, I have nothing but time. I have done all the research, taken all the right steps in regards to seasoning, humidification, digital hygrometers etc., and I know the rewards will be great!

03-20-2011, 09:00 AM

One note, what is the fine white powder at the bottom of my dish? Is this a normal byproduct of the beads when you add DW?

md4958 · 03-20-2011, 09:45 AM

You should have purchased Shilala beads!!

The fine white powder is dust from broken beads.

BigCat · 03-20-2011, 10:27 AM

If your beads are over-saturated, they will not pull humidity out of the air. I don't know if that is the case, but if you pull them out and leave them sitting out, they will release some of the moisture in them and presumably have more capacity for pulling excess moisture out of your humidor.

bobarian · 03-20-2011, 12:39 PM

Patience. If your cigars or humidor are above 65% it will take days or weeks to bring the Rh down to the desired range.

markem · 03-20-2011, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobarian

Patience. If your cigars or humidor are above 65% it will take days or weeks to bring the Rh down to the desired range.

also, the beads won't magically make the humidity 65% if there is more humidity than that amount can absorb. Full beads means no more lowering of the RH via that route. Your pics seem to indicate that the beads are mostly full.

03-20-2011, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markem

also, the beads won't magically make the humidity 65% if there is more humidity than that amount can absorb. Full beads means no more lowering of the RH via that route. Your pics seem to indicate that the beads are mostly full.

Update: I pulled apart my bead tube in my desktop and they were almost entirely clear (which would explain the humidity spike), so I infused some heat from a hair dryer, and turned 25% of them back to white. Time will tell....and in regards to the dish of beads in my coolidor, they are holding RH at 65% (see hygrometer) and should be good to go.

Humpdebump · 03-20-2011, 06:54 PM

I have the total opposite. I just got done seasoning my new Humidor, had a bowl of distiller water in for 2 weeks and it pretty much stayed at 70%. I then added my beads for a day or two then added cigars. My Humidor is 150 ct and I have the extra large 70% heartfelt tube and my hygrometer is reading at 60 - 61 %. I know some people like their sticks around that but I'm curious as to why it's not 70%, and yes my seal is tight, it's from waxing moon

forgot to add that I did test my hygrometer and it's 5% off

03-21-2011, 05:51 AM

There have been several issues with HF beads not holding their prescribed humidity. Over at BOTL, numerous brothers have beads that are showing 70% on calibrated digitals despite being 65% beads.......a possible mix up at the factory?

Humpdebump · 03-21-2011, 11:37 PM

It seems like it's still holding at 60%, I wonder if it's because it's so dry in my house or what. Like I said, I figured the extra large would be sufficient. I just don't want ot to fall below 60%.

03-22-2011, 01:29 AM

I guess I would rather take 70% over 60% because you can always dry box......but after all this trouble of doing extensive research, and buying supplies etc. I would much rather prefer to have the luxury of just pulling out a stick on a moments notice and have it smoke perfectly......planning out what I will be smoking three days down the road is too much work for me right now with all the Nuclear BS and Tsunami relief flights I have been making here in Japan.

03-22-2011, 08:49 AM

I'm having the same issue. I ordered a large 65% puck in January and it has been reading closer to 70%. I am storing my sticks in tupperware with a few sheets of cedar. But, they're smoking okay for now. Just wondering what will happen when the temperature goes up in a couple months.

03-20-2011, 04:50 AM	#1
thecatch83 Guest Posts: n/a	65% HF beads reading 70%??? I know yet another bead thread, but this is a strange one. I have 2 ounces of 65% HF beads in my 100 ct desktop humidor that I seasoned for a week (see thread) and both of my digitals (both recently calibrated with boveda calibration kit) are reading between 69-70% I used the formula to see if I'm using enough beads and according to my humidor dimensions, 2 OZ. is plenty. In my 54 ct. coolidor with four cedar trays, and 5-6 boxes of sticks, I am using the remaining 14 oz. of beads in a dish and my digital is reading 65%. I swapped out digital hygrometers just to see if there was a difference, and the desktop digital (from my cooler) ended up going up to 70%, and the digital in my desktop (that I moved to my cooler) ended up going down to 65%. It's my understanding that adding more than enough beads won't increase RH but will only improve the overall efficiency of said beads...........so what gives? How is it possible that 65% beads are holding RH in a seasoned humidor half full of sticks at 70%? http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=42972

03-20-2011, 05:48 AM	#2
thecatch83 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? Some photos for clarification. My only conclusion is that there aren't enough un-moistened beads to collect excess swings in humidity.

03-20-2011, 05:49 AM	#3
Emjaysmash The Hebrew Hammer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: M.J. Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 7,025 Trading: (76)	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? Did you have the beads in the humi while seasoning or add them once it was seasoned? __________________

03-20-2011, 05:56 AM	#4
thecatch83 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? No, I used bowls of DW and a seasoning packet from Boveda during the week long seasoning.........the beads, I just added a couple days ago. Maybe things will settle over time?

03-20-2011, 06:12 AM	#7
thecatch83 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? Precisely what I was thinking MJ.....furthermore, the last couple of cigars I have smoked both needed a relight, and smoked a little too green for my liking. I'm going to pull out my HF tube from my desktop for a day or two and reevaluate the RH.

03-20-2011, 06:27 AM	#8
Emjaysmash The Hebrew Hammer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: M.J. Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 7,025 Trading: (76)	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? Just remember to have patience with it. I've been in your situation a bunch of times and I always tried cutting corners to get the RH to exactly where I wanted it (the opposite of you though, I alway had to bring up the RH) and it never ended up the way I wanted it to. I ended up waiting anyway for the RH to come back naturally, only it took 2-3 days longer because I had to deal with my screw up. Rest assured, your humi WILL reach your desired RH. Its only a matter of time. If your cigars feel a bit too squishy or moister overall, I'd plan ahead and drybox a cigar or 3 for when you'll be wanting a smoke later on. __________________

03-20-2011, 06:39 AM	#9
thecatch83 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? Thanks MJ....great advice and input! The beauty of it is, I have nothing but time. I have done all the research, taken all the right steps in regards to seasoning, humidification, digital hygrometers etc., and I know the rewards will be great!

03-20-2011, 09:00 AM	#10
thecatch83 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? One note, what is the fine white powder at the bottom of my dish? Is this a normal byproduct of the beads when you add DW?

03-20-2011, 09:45 AM	#11
md4958 Captain Cannoli Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moe Location: Suffield, CT Posts: 5,712 Trading: (62)	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? You should have purchased Shilala beads!! The fine white powder is dust from broken beads. __________________ "One fart can foul the air for everyone" - Esteemed philosopher "If avoiding the nasty $hit is being a snob, them I am guilty as charged."- Same esteemed philosopher.

03-20-2011, 10:27 AM	#12
BigCat My back is now unwatched. Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Colin Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 723 Trading: (5)	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? If your beads are over-saturated, they will not pull humidity out of the air. I don't know if that is the case, but if you pull them out and leave them sitting out, they will release some of the moisture in them and presumably have more capacity for pulling excess moisture out of your humidor. __________________ "Now, I don't approve of dissipation, and I don't indulge in it either; but I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices." Mark Twain

03-20-2011, 12:39 PM	#13
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? Patience. If your cigars or humidor are above 65% it will take days or weeks to bring the Rh down to the desired range.

03-20-2011, 06:54 PM	#16
Humpdebump Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Chris Location: Ct Posts: 263 Trading: (1)	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? I have the total opposite. I just got done seasoning my new Humidor, had a bowl of distiller water in for 2 weeks and it pretty much stayed at 70%. I then added my beads for a day or two then added cigars. My Humidor is 150 ct and I have the extra large 70% heartfelt tube and my hygrometer is reading at 60 - 61 %. I know some people like their sticks around that but I'm curious as to why it's not 70%, and yes my seal is tight, it's from waxing moon forgot to add that I did test my hygrometer and it's 5% off Last edited by Humpdebump; 03-20-2011 at 06:57 PM. Reason: Forgot

03-21-2011, 05:51 AM	#17
thecatch83 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? There have been several issues with HF beads not holding their prescribed humidity. Over at BOTL, numerous brothers have beads that are showing 70% on calibrated digitals despite being 65% beads.......a possible mix up at the factory?

03-21-2011, 11:37 PM	#18
Humpdebump Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Chris Location: Ct Posts: 263 Trading: (1)	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? It seems like it's still holding at 60%, I wonder if it's because it's so dry in my house or what. Like I said, I figured the extra large would be sufficient. I just don't want ot to fall below 60%.

03-22-2011, 01:29 AM	#19
thecatch83 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? I guess I would rather take 70% over 60% because you can always dry box......but after all this trouble of doing extensive research, and buying supplies etc. I would much rather prefer to have the luxury of just pulling out a stick on a moments notice and have it smoke perfectly......planning out what I will be smoking three days down the road is too much work for me right now with all the Nuclear BS and Tsunami relief flights I have been making here in Japan.

03-22-2011, 08:49 AM	#20
Ruggshod Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 65% HF beads reading 70%??? I'm having the same issue. I ordered a large 65% puck in January and it has been reading closer to 70%. I am storing my sticks in tupperware with a few sheets of cedar. But, they're smoking okay for now. Just wondering what will happen when the temperature goes up in a couple months.