So what's the line on Farve retiring for good mid-season?

[Bunker]

Minny is now 1-3, Farve looks like his December worst already, and now there are pictures of him holding his hog circulating the net with a potential suspension looming.

Randy Moss or not, I don't see him finishing this year.

[massphatness]

I see rainbows to Moss as why he DOES finish the year. The self-absorbed, narcissist cares only about the TDs he throws and seemingly not at all about the picks. The national media reverentially refers to him as a "gunslinger" -- a more apt moniker would be "dream killer".

[Bunker]

Originally Posted by massphatness

I see rainbows to Moss as why he DOES finish the year. The self-absorbed, narcissist cares only about the TDs he throws and seemingly not at all about the picks. The national media reverentially refers to him as a "gunslinger" -- a more apt moniker would be "dream killer".

When my wife found the pictures online, "I didn't know Farve was Irish"

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by Bunker

When my wife found the pictures online, "I didn't know Farve was Irish"

And this was on topic?

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by massphatness

The self-absorbed, narcissist cares only about the TDs he throws and seemingly not at all about the picks.

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Your statement is such an easy one to let ramble, but couldn't be further from the truth.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Your statement is such an easy one to let ramble, but couldn't be further from the truth.

Let's keep the discussion about the topic. Leave the personal jabs out of it.
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[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by pnoon

Let's keep the discussion about the topic. Leave the personal jabs out of it.
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ROFLMAO, where's the personal jab? My comment was 100% on topic.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

ROFLMAO, where's the personal jab? My comment was 100% on topic.

"You obviously have no clue what you are talking about."
Sounds to me like a comment on the poster.
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[shilala]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

ROFLMAO, where's the personal jab? My comment was 100% on topic.

I think the point was that everyone is allowed an opinion without being told "they have no clue what they're talking about."
I know Vin pretty good. I'm absolutely certain he has a real good clue about everything he's talking about.
If I disagreed with him, I'd ask him why he thought that way, because I'd value his input, and appreciate his insight. It's probably a more respectful way to handle a disagreement, whatever it may be.

In my own self-absorbed way I hope Favre makes it all the way through this season. I've said since his bullshit prima donna pre-season behavior that he wasn't going to lead the Vikings anywhere but down this season. As a Bear fan this comes in handy to only have two teams that matter in the NFC North.

However I don't think his body is going to hold up. One more good shot to that ankle like he got from the Bears at the end of last season and it's doneski.

Plus he isn't bright enough to realize that taking pictures of your junk only impresses 13 year old girls and possibly 5% of the female population over the age of 18. Flag on the play.

[massphatness]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Your statement is such an easy one to let ramble, but couldn't be further from the truth.

Trying to do this on my phone, so I apologize in advance for any sloppiness.*

First off, no offense taken. Not having a clue is often how Grace describes me. I didn't take it as a personal shot but rather thought I may have touched a nerve based on the response. If Volusianator and Favre are buds, I can understand his jumping to #4s defense. *I am just as prone to sometimes blindly defending my friends even when the situation may not be fully warranted.*

I do not know Brett Favre. I am not in a position to have first-hand knowledge of his motivations and interactions with any of his four NFL teams. *In that sense, I suppose I don't have a clue.*

I do know what my eyeballs tell me though. *And my eyeballs tell me Favre is a me-first player who's agenda begins and ends with Brett Favre. *Does he have a passion for the game? *Probably, but it's not mutually exclusive of his narcissitic personality. Favre's all about winning? *Maybe. *So long as he's the reason for the winning. My eyeballs tell me he wants to be throwing the football and scoring on spectular, improvised plays. *He does not, for example, want to hand the ball off to AP 25 times a game - even if that gives the TEAM the best shot at winning. *There are guys who crave the ball in their hand with the game on the line. I believe Favre is one of those guys. But I also believe he consistently puts his team in the position where he needs to "lead" them back because he doesn't play smart: *he plays for the greater glory of Brett Favre.

I used to respect the guy. I used to buy the whole aw-shucks, gunslinger personnae. But after riding a river of crocodile tears out of Green Bay followed by the pathetic is he or isn't he retirement charades the last few years, I've changed my opinion of the guy. I stand by my assertion that he is a dream killer, and any title chances the Vikes have rest more in the legs of AP than the arm of #4. *Were it not for a guy named Desmond Howard, we'd talk about Favre being the greatest QB never to have won anything.*
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[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by massphatness

Trying to do this on my phone, so I apologize in advance for any sloppiness.*

First off, no offense taken. Not having a clue is often how Grace describes me. I didn't take it as a personal shot but rather thought I may have touched a nerve based on the response. If Volusianator and Favre are buds, I can understand his jumping to #4s defense. *I am just as prone to sometimes blindly defending my friends even when the situation may not be fully warranted.*

I do not know Brett Favre. I am not in a position to have first-hand knowledge of his motivations and interactions with any of his four NFL teams. *In that sense, I suppose I don't have a clue.*

I do know what my eyeballs tell me though. *And my eyeballs tell me Favre is a me-first player who's agenda begins and ends with Brett Favre. *Does he have a passion for the game? *Probably, but it's not mutually exclusive of his narcissitic personality. Favre's all about winning? *Maybe. *So long as he's the reason for the winning. My eyeballs tell me he wants to be throwing the football and scoring on spectular, improvised plays. *He does not, for example, want to hand the ball off to AP 25 times a game - even if that gives the TEAM the best shot at winning. *There are guys who crave the ball in their hand with the game on the line. I believe Favre is one of those guys. But I also believe he consistently puts his team in the position where he needs to "lead" them back because he doesn't play smart: *he plays for the greater glory of Brett Favre.

I used to respect the guy. I used to buy the whole aw-shucks, gunslinger personnae. But after riding a river of crocodile tears out of Green Bay followed by the pathetic is he or isn't he retirement charades the last few years, I've changed my opinion of the guy. I stand by my assertion that he is a dream killer, and any title chances the Vikes have rest more in the legs of AP than the arm of #4. *Were it not for a guy named Desmond Howard, we'd talk about Favre being the greatest QB never to have won anything.*
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I was looking for the footnotes as well!

We all have the right to our opinions, and at the end of the day, all that matters is that we enjoyed our cigars.

[replicant_argent]

Between the dope smoker and the octogenarian I don't really care if they become the LA Drag Queens.
The Vikings are perennial annoyances to any fans that have hope they will ever hold the Lombardi, and they never will.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Between the dope smoker and the octogenarian I don't really care if they become the LA Drag Queens.
The Vikings are perennial annoyances to any fans that have hope they will ever hold the Lombardi, and they never will.

Or this was on topic?

[shilala]

If Farve sits down, what's the Vikes option? Byron Leftwich?
The Vikings organization is committed to spending big money to win, or at least to put asses in seats.
Do I think Farve/Moss is the answer? I don't think anyone does. Brett went 60 yards downfield to Moss last night, and that's likely the longest ball he's gonna throw for the rest of his life.
You can't "buy" a football team, you gotta build one. If the Vikes spent all that money on building a club, chasing some young studs and making some smart moves, they'd be truly dangerous.
Farve wants to play ball, and someone wants to pay him 26 million to do it this year. I don't see him sitting down unless he gets busted in half.

[chachee52]

I didn't see much of last nights game, but the parts i did see it doesn't look like Farve can throw the deep ball to Moss to make him affective. 5 shots into his ankle already? I think that he's done!!! Now I don't know what the "shots" are that he's getting but being in the medical field, that can't be good!!!!!

[Bunker]

Originally Posted by chachee52

I didn't see much of last nights game, but the parts i did see it doesn't look like Farve can throw the deep ball to Moss to make him affective. 5 shots into his ankle already? I think that he's done!!! Now I don't know what the "shots" are that he's getting but being in the medical field, that can't be good!!!!!

Most likely cortisone, I have had several in my elbows and shoulders over the last few years. They are just a band-aid that wears off in a couple of months.

If he's upright...he'll finish the year. He's had injuries every season in the league, it seems. There was the one year he played with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. His year with the Jets playing about half a year with a torn tendon in his throwing arm.

Honestly, the biggest obstacle for this team is the head coach. I've been saying this for Chili's entire tenure here. I don't see him as having what it takes to be able to bring a team to the promised land. Look at how they started the game last night. That HAS to be the most unprepared I have ever seen a team coming out of a bye week to a big game (or any game, honestly). THAT, my friends, is on the coaching staff. They seemed completely unprepared to come out and play. That had nothing to do with Donglegate or the addition of Moss to the Vikes. I'm of the opinion that they did well last year despite Childress, not because of him. He's generally a horrible coach at making adjustments, and gets outcoached on a regular basis, IMO.

As for Faereeevervarvervarveravrevravervarve and his ankle, it's not 100%. How could it be at his age, with the beating he's taken over the years. The injections are not a painkiller, but a series of lubricant injections to help keep what little range of motion he has left. What exactly were those injections? I'm not sure, but it was supposed to help keep movement possible there.

[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by Wanger

As for Faereeevervarvervarveravrevravervarve and his ankle, it's not 100%. How could it be at his age, with the beating he's taken over the years. The injections are not a painkiller, but a series of lubricant injections to help keep what little range of motion he has left. What exactly were those injections? I'm not sure, but it was supposed to help keep movement possible there.

If it is the lubrication shots, its a product like SynVisc or Supparts. I've tried both, neither worked for me. They are a made of chicken goo. People can have severe reactions to them, particularly if they are allergic to poultry.

[14holestogie]

Favre's too proud to retire, but I'd wager he doesn't finish the year.
Injury or suspension ends his career before the season is half over.

Love the player, hate the person he's become.