RPG Games: What's good about them?

Starscream · 08-06-2010, 05:35 PM

I've attempted to play some RPG games throughout the years but can't seem to get into them. Everyone who is a hardcore gamer seems to like at least one of the Final Fantasy games, but I just can't get into them. Am I missing something? The main thing I don't get (maybe it's b/c I haven't fully grasped the understanding of how to sucessfully do so) is fight in an rpg game. Someone give me some info or tell me what I'm missing.

kaisersozei · 08-06-2010, 05:49 PM

Are you talking about RPG video games for platform systems? Not trying to be a "rules lawyer" (heh--old inside joke to RPGers

) but I find a big difference between

1) the classic pen & paper RPGs (like D&D) where the interaction is between real live people sitting together,
2) computer-based RPGs, which are usually just 1-person affairs that use a classic mathematical RPG-based engine to make decisions, process outcomes, guide pre-set conversations, etc,
3) computer-based multiplayer on-line RPGs (like World of Warcraft) and
4) platform based RPGs.

I'm old school, so I prefer 1 & 2, especially when the computer-based game can be adapted for small party on-line play (like the Baldurs Gate & Neverwinter Night series.)

Combat is a bit different for each of those, but should be based on some mathematical or statistical formula. Values are given to attack and defend, and then dice or some other random number generator is used to help calculate a probability value that indicates a chance to hit. Most video games just have enhanced graphics to demonstrate the outcome of that equation (hits, misses, critical hits, etc.)

As I am rambling, it occured to me that you might be asking something entirely different.

So I'm just gonna stop here and say: I've been a big RPG fan for more than 20 years, and I've never played any of the Final Fantasy series!

Starscream · 08-06-2010, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaisersozei

Are you talking about RPG video games for platform systems? Not trying to be a "rules lawyer" (heh--old inside joke to RPGers

) but I find a big difference between

1) the classic pen & paper RPGs (like D&D) where the interaction is between real live people sitting together,
2) computer-based RPGs, which are usually just 1-person affairs that use a classic mathematical RPG-based engine to make decisions, process outcomes, guide pre-set conversations, etc,
3) computer-based multiplayer on-line RPGs (like World of Warcraft) and
4) platform based RPGs.

I'm old school, so I prefer 1 & 2, especially when the computer-based game can be adapted for small party on-line play (like the Baldurs Gate & Neverwinter Night series.)

Combat is a bit different for each of those, but should be based on some mathematical or statistical formula. Values are given to attack and defend, and then dice or some other random number generator is used to help calculate a probability value that indicates a chance to hit. Most video games just have enhanced graphics to demonstrate the outcome of that equation (hits, misses, critical hits, etc.)

As I am rambling, it occured to me that you might be asking something entirely different.

So I'm just gonna stop here and say: I've been a big RPG fan for more than 20 years, and I've never played any of the Final Fantasy series!

I assume I'm talking about option number 4. All of the Final Fantasy games from the NES on up, the old Ultima games, and Dragon Quest. The only RPG game I liked so far is Kingdom Hearts (I) but I suck majorly at it. I can't get past the jungle (Tarzan) level.

Brutus2600 · 08-06-2010, 06:03 PM

I love the Final Fantasy games, IX being the first I played and also one of my favorites. However, if you've never played any RPG video games before, they are probably going to be the most overwhelming game you could try first. They are just so LARGE in the whole scope of things.

Try something simpler, but still fun, such as the entire Fallout series (Fallout is a classic, albeit very old graphics, Fallout 2 was ok, and the newest one, Fallout 3, has some great graphics and a really great storyline too). I've heard very good things about the Mass Effect series (1 & 2) however I haven't played them. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is a classic as well.

While the Fallout series, for instance, is still a very large world, it's a little more fast paced and not as annoying to play as the FF series can be with their random encounters.

If these games don't grab your attention, you might just not be an RPG guy

Nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of other games you can play

kaisersozei · 08-06-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutus2600

Try something simpler, but still fun, such as the entire Fallout series (Fallout is a classic, albeit very old graphics, Fallout 2 was ok, and the newest one, Fallout 3, has some great graphics and a really great storyline too). I've heard very good things about the Mass Effect series (1 & 2) however I haven't played them. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is a classic as well.

I would echo these suggestions. The original Fallout is one of my all-time favorite RPGs, and Mass Effect tops that list hands-down.

Starscream · 08-06-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutus2600

I love the Final Fantasy games, IX being the first I played and also one of my favorites. However, if you've never played any RPG video games before, they are probably going to be the most overwhelming game you could try first. They are just so LARGE in the whole scope of things.

Try something simpler, but still fun, such as the entire Fallout series (Fallout is a classic, albeit very old graphics, Fallout 2 was ok, and the newest one, Fallout 3, has some great graphics and a really great storyline too). I've heard very good things about the Mass Effect series (1 & 2) however I haven't played them. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is a classic as well.

While the Fallout series, for instance, is still a very large world, it's a little more fast paced and not as annoying to play as the FF series can be with their random encounters.

If these games don't grab your attention, you might just not be an RPG guy

Nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of other games you can play

I love KOTOR but I wouldn't consider it an RPG game in my opinion.

Let me change my original question to not just RPG games, but Final Fantasy style games in general. My major issue is the combat/fight screens and leveling up.

shilala · 08-06-2010, 09:50 PM

They're all suck to me, Andy.
My daughter loves them, I like simple FPS and racing games.
I don't wanna think when I'm playing video games, and I could jut never get beside the D&D stuff, either.

Starscream · 08-07-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala

They're all suck to me, Andy.
My daughter loves them, I like simple FPS and racing games.
I don't wanna think when I'm playing video games, and I could jut never get beside the D&D stuff, either.

I'm a big fan of side scrollers (Super Mario type games) but I also am a major Zelda fan as well. Many people put Zelda and FF games in the same category but Zelda has more action during the fighting sequences, not just attack, magic, defend, run, and whatever else RPG games have (if that makes any sense).

I'm not here to attack RPG games such as FF games, I'm asking a serious question b/c I want to get into them but can't.

Brutus2600 · 08-06-2010, 10:01 PM

Yeah...I wouldn't either but when I did a quick search for RPG so I could cull a few of of the list that came up *shrug* I'd consider that more of an FPS with a good storyline. Oh well

It's a good game regardless, haha

I really do think you should consider checking out the Fallout series. Great RPG, but it doesn't get nearly as technical as the FF series does in leveling up and as boring as the fights are (yeah...I'm not a fan of the FF fights)

Starscream · 08-07-2010, 01:32 AM

Let me break it down a bit more:

I have heard great things about all of the Final Fantasy games. I hear there is not a bad one out of all of the series. So I started off playing FF3 (I think it's FF6 in the series but for the NES it's 3). Old NES gamers such as me say that the Final Fantasy games on the NES are great jumping on points but I just don't get it. Here's a link to where I was playing FF3 on the NES:

http://www.everyvideogame.com/arcade...lay&gameid=308

If you are an old school gamer you will love the site. I linked just FF3 but there are a plethora of old NES games at that site.

I tried to play FF3 but I suck at it. Any tips for a non RPG gamer?

In case of any reccommendations, I own a Wii and a PS2, and have access to a couple of old NES emulator sites.

SaltyMcGee · 08-07-2010, 02:02 AM

Have you ever played the Mass Effect series on Xbox? Those 2 games are incredible. A fantastic hybrid of the RPG and FPS.

Starscream · 08-07-2010, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SaltyMcGee

Have you ever played the Mass Effect series on Xbox? Those 2 games are incredible. A fantastic hybrid of the RPG and FPS.

Wii and PS2 only.

Chingas · 08-07-2010, 06:19 AM

Grand Theft Auto. Excellent, no pressure RPG where if you get bored, you can steal a car, summon the police, FBI and ARMY and proceed to kill them all.

I'm playing Red Dead Redemtion now. It's a wild wild west ride thru old Mexico and Arizona areas. Your tasked to clean up a mess you left a long time ago while the law holds your wife and kid hostage. Games pretty intense.

I'd say watch a trailer and are if you could get into it.

VirtualSmitty · 08-07-2010, 11:44 AM

Final Fantasy is a JRPG and I can't stand them either. Of the many i've tried only Uncharted Waters and Chrono Trigger. Bioware has done a great job with the medium, KOTOR 1&2 were both good, Dragon Age was Excellent, and Mass Effect 1&2 were outstanding. They are all available for pc as well, not just xbox/ps3.

There are a few games for Wii that are worth checking out. Monster Hunter Tri is pretty cool, sort of a hybrid between eastern and western games. It's like Fable with a Japanese twist to it.

Apoco · 08-07-2010, 08:28 PM

I played EverQuest for 7 years, WoW for 5, and played FF7,8,9,10.

The appeal on EQ and WoW is the social aspect first and foremost. I enjoyed having a group of people to talk with on ventrilo, in our guild forum, and in-game. I was also a raider, so I worked with a team of people to accomplish big objectives/goals (i.e. killing the final boss that existed at the time). This really drove me to put in a lot of hours into both games (we're talking well over a year and a half of online time. probably closer to two).

For the Final Fantasy series, I enjoy those mostly for their story line. The game play itself is not very exciting/challenging for the most part.

Also - D&D is really, really fun with the right group of people. An incredibly social game.

08-08-2010, 02:04 AM

I am a huge turn based rpg fan, Final Fantasy series etc, about any rpg made by square is okay in my book, However i must admit i started with the SNES which in my opinion has some of the best games made, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, EarthBound, Secret of Mana, etc.

What i would do in your situation is pick up a copy of Final Fantasy 7 which was me above and beyond enjoyable compared to any other game in the series, Freedom in exploration, side quests and mini games.

You should look up Earthbound for its time it was miles ahead of its competition.

Starscream · 08-11-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Atkinson

I am a huge turn based rpg fan, Final Fantasy series etc, about any rpg made by square is okay in my book, However i must admit i started with the SNES which in my opinion has some of the best games made, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, EarthBound, Secret of Mana, etc.

What i would do in your situation is pick up a copy of Final Fantasy 7 which was me above and beyond enjoyable compared to any other game in the series, Freedom in exploration, side quests and mini games.

You should look up Earthbound for its time it was miles ahead of its competition.

What system is Earthbound on?

08-11-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

What system is Earthbound on?

Earthbound is rad.

It was for SNES if I recall.

Jbailey · 08-11-2010, 02:48 PM

Years ago I was hooked on RPG games, some of my favorites are:

NES- Final Fantasy

SNES-Secret Of Mana takes the cake for SNES, also the Final Fantasy games and Chrono Trigger.

Playstation- Final Fantasy 7 (one of the best imho) also Xenogears, Vagrant Story, Tales of Destiny. Would like to toss in Final Fantasy Tactics as another quality game.

Mugen910 · 08-11-2010, 03:13 PM

Secret of Mana was my favorite...

I never got into the RPG's much but I found that if my cousin was playing I'd sit and watch for a long time... *shrugs*

08-06-2010, 05:35 PM	#1
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	RPG Games: What's good about them? I've attempted to play some RPG games throughout the years but can't seem to get into them. Everyone who is a hardcore gamer seems to like at least one of the Final Fantasy games, but I just can't get into them. Am I missing something? The main thing I don't get (maybe it's b/c I haven't fully grasped the understanding of how to sucessfully do so) is fight in an rpg game. Someone give me some info or tell me what I'm missing. __________________ Insert quote here.

08-06-2010, 05:49 PM	#2
kaisersozei The Homebrew Hammer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Gerard Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 3,183 Trading: (40)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? Are you talking about RPG video games for platform systems? Not trying to be a "rules lawyer" (heh--old inside joke to RPGers ) but I find a big difference between 1) the classic pen & paper RPGs (like D&D) where the interaction is between real live people sitting together, 2) computer-based RPGs, which are usually just 1-person affairs that use a classic mathematical RPG-based engine to make decisions, process outcomes, guide pre-set conversations, etc, 3) computer-based multiplayer on-line RPGs (like World of Warcraft) and 4) platform based RPGs. I'm old school, so I prefer 1 & 2, especially when the computer-based game can be adapted for small party on-line play (like the Baldurs Gate & Neverwinter Night series.) Combat is a bit different for each of those, but should be based on some mathematical or statistical formula. Values are given to attack and defend, and then dice or some other random number generator is used to help calculate a probability value that indicates a chance to hit. Most video games just have enhanced graphics to demonstrate the outcome of that equation (hits, misses, critical hits, etc.) As I am rambling, it occured to me that you might be asking something entirely different. So I'm just gonna stop here and say: I've been a big RPG fan for more than 20 years, and I've never played any of the Final Fantasy series! __________________

08-06-2010, 06:03 PM	#4
Brutus2600 Your resident lancerHO Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Brian Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,063 Trading: (46)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? I love the Final Fantasy games, IX being the first I played and also one of my favorites. However, if you've never played any RPG video games before, they are probably going to be the most overwhelming game you could try first. They are just so LARGE in the whole scope of things. Try something simpler, but still fun, such as the entire Fallout series (Fallout is a classic, albeit very old graphics, Fallout 2 was ok, and the newest one, Fallout 3, has some great graphics and a really great storyline too). I've heard very good things about the Mass Effect series (1 & 2) however I haven't played them. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is a classic as well. While the Fallout series, for instance, is still a very large world, it's a little more fast paced and not as annoying to play as the FF series can be with their random encounters. If these games don't grab your attention, you might just not be an RPG guy Nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of other games you can play

08-06-2010, 09:50 PM	#7
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? They're all suck to me, Andy. My daughter loves them, I like simple FPS and racing games. I don't wanna think when I'm playing video games, and I could jut never get beside the D&D stuff, either. __________________

08-06-2010, 10:01 PM	#9
Brutus2600 Your resident lancerHO Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Brian Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,063 Trading: (46)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? Yeah...I wouldn't either but when I did a quick search for RPG so I could cull a few of of the list that came up shrug I'd consider that more of an FPS with a good storyline. Oh well It's a good game regardless, haha I really do think you should consider checking out the Fallout series. Great RPG, but it doesn't get nearly as technical as the FF series does in leveling up and as boring as the fights are (yeah...I'm not a fan of the FF fights)

08-07-2010, 01:32 AM	#10
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? Let me break it down a bit more: I have heard great things about all of the Final Fantasy games. I hear there is not a bad one out of all of the series. So I started off playing FF3 (I think it's FF6 in the series but for the NES it's 3). Old NES gamers such as me say that the Final Fantasy games on the NES are great jumping on points but I just don't get it. Here's a link to where I was playing FF3 on the NES: http://www.everyvideogame.com/arcade...lay&gameid=308 If you are an old school gamer you will love the site. I linked just FF3 but there are a plethora of old NES games at that site. I tried to play FF3 but I suck at it. Any tips for a non RPG gamer? In case of any reccommendations, I own a Wii and a PS2, and have access to a couple of old NES emulator sites. __________________ Insert quote here. Last edited by Starscream; 08-07-2010 at 01:37 AM.

08-07-2010, 02:02 AM	#11
SaltyMcGee Gone munting... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jared Location: C-Bus, OH Posts: 334 Trading: (3)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? Have you ever played the Mass Effect series on Xbox? Those 2 games are incredible. A fantastic hybrid of the RPG and FPS. __________________ "It's a simple question doctor, would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs!?"

08-07-2010, 06:19 AM	#13
Chingas Death Is Waiting Join Date: Jun 2010 First Name: Chingas Location: Slayerville, Jersey Posts: 5,295 Trading: (35)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? Grand Theft Auto. Excellent, no pressure RPG where if you get bored, you can steal a car, summon the police, FBI and ARMY and proceed to kill them all. I'm playing Red Dead Redemtion now. It's a wild wild west ride thru old Mexico and Arizona areas. Your tasked to clean up a mess you left a long time ago while the law holds your wife and kid hostage. Games pretty intense. I'd say watch a trailer and are if you could get into it. __________________ ---Chingas--- ---Team Death Bomb Squad: Captain---

08-07-2010, 11:44 AM	#14
VirtualSmitty WiP!? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joe Location: The Evil Empire Posts: 2,084 Trading: (0)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? Final Fantasy is a JRPG and I can't stand them either. Of the many i've tried only Uncharted Waters and Chrono Trigger. Bioware has done a great job with the medium, KOTOR 1&2 were both good, Dragon Age was Excellent, and Mass Effect 1&2 were outstanding. They are all available for pc as well, not just xbox/ps3. There are a few games for Wii that are worth checking out. Monster Hunter Tri is pretty cool, sort of a hybrid between eastern and western games. It's like Fable with a Japanese twist to it. __________________ We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid - Benjamin Franklin

08-07-2010, 08:28 PM	#15
Apoco Nerd with social skills Join Date: May 2010 First Name: Alex Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,286 Trading: (37)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? I played EverQuest for 7 years, WoW for 5, and played FF7,8,9,10. The appeal on EQ and WoW is the social aspect first and foremost. I enjoyed having a group of people to talk with on ventrilo, in our guild forum, and in-game. I was also a raider, so I worked with a team of people to accomplish big objectives/goals (i.e. killing the final boss that existed at the time). This really drove me to put in a lot of hours into both games (we're talking well over a year and a half of online time. probably closer to two). For the Final Fantasy series, I enjoy those mostly for their story line. The game play itself is not very exciting/challenging for the most part. Also - D&D is really, really fun with the right group of people. An incredibly social game.

08-08-2010, 02:04 AM	#16
Ty Atkinson Guest Posts: n/a	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? I am a huge turn based rpg fan, Final Fantasy series etc, about any rpg made by square is okay in my book, However i must admit i started with the SNES which in my opinion has some of the best games made, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, EarthBound, Secret of Mana, etc. What i would do in your situation is pick up a copy of Final Fantasy 7 which was me above and beyond enjoyable compared to any other game in the series, Freedom in exploration, side quests and mini games. You should look up Earthbound for its time it was miles ahead of its competition.

08-11-2010, 02:48 PM	#19
Jbailey Brewcifer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Madison, WI Posts: 5,212 Trading: (17)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? Years ago I was hooked on RPG games, some of my favorites are: NES- Final Fantasy SNES-Secret Of Mana takes the cake for SNES, also the Final Fantasy games and Chrono Trigger. Playstation- Final Fantasy 7 (one of the best imho) also Xenogears, Vagrant Story, Tales of Destiny. Would like to toss in Final Fantasy Tactics as another quality game. __________________ "Sent to spy on a Cuban talent show first stop- Havana au go-go." Field Marshall Douche Bag.

08-11-2010, 03:13 PM	#20
Mugen910 I <3 Huy Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Location Location: First Name Posts: 8,387 Trading: (106)	Re: RPG Games: What's good about them? Secret of Mana was my favorite... I never got into the RPG's much but I found that if my cousin was playing I'd sit and watch for a long time... shrugs __________________ I'm not antisocial, I just think people are stupid.