Humidor Question

tomc3084 · 06-12-2010, 09:40 AM

Hi Guys-
I just purchased myself a re-adjustable hydrometer because I felt my humidity was high even though my non adjustable hydrometer said it was of an okay level. Okay, so after a few days of playing around with the hydrometer to make sure it was reading correctly I finally got to put it in my humidor last night. Well, today when I opened it I was shocked. It is reading 72/74 rH on top and 75 on the bottom. I am not sure if I have 65 or 70 beads, but I went and ordered myself one pound 60% percent beads. My question is that since my smokes have been in these conditions for the last several(3-4) months, besides the obvious(cigars being too humid), is there anything I need to worry about. Thanks in advance for any much appreciated feedback

Tommy

icehog3 · 06-12-2010, 10:02 AM

How do they burn, and how do they taste?

tomc3084 · 06-12-2010, 10:09 AM

Tom, some of my smokes go out a couple times, some don't. Some burn all the way through without relight and have perfect burn. For the most part they burn good, just the relighting issues is there more than not.

icehog3 · 06-12-2010, 10:12 AM

That is usually overhumidification....as you slowly bring the RH down, your cigars should improve and smoke better...I am sure you haven't done any permanent damage to anything.

massphatness · 06-12-2010, 10:26 AM

Agreed. You also may want to consider dry boxing some of your stock to see if that gets them in more smokeable condition.
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Ashcan Bill · 06-12-2010, 11:22 AM

I doubt you've hurt anything. The humidity in the islands where many cigars are made is pretty high. Doesn't hurt 'em there, shouldn't hurt them here. As Tom ponted out, the real gauge is how they smoke.

At over 70% I'd expect a lot of burn/draw problems. As the humidity drops, they should start smoking a lot better. I don't sweat the numbers much. I adjust my humidors based on how my cigars feel and smoke.

pnoon · 06-12-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill

I doubt you've hurt anything. The humidity in the islands where many cigars are made is pretty high. Doesn't hurt 'em there, shouldn't hurt them here. As Tom ponted out, the real gauge is how they smoke.

At over 70% I'd expect a lot of burn/draw problems. As the humidity drops, they should start smoking a lot better. I don't sweat the numbers much. I adjust my humidors based on how my cigars feel and smoke.

That is it in a nutshell.

tomc3084 · 06-12-2010, 11:43 AM

I know it is an age old question, but I really value your opinions, so what do you guys personally think about the taste meaning: Do you think my cigars will taste better/worse/same as I bring the rH down?

NCRadioMan · 06-12-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tomc3084

I know it is an age old question, but I really value your opinions, so what do you guys personally think about the taste meaning: Do you think my cigars will taste better/worse/same as I bring the rH down?

Better. More "pop" to upfront flavors while being able to ascern the more subtle nuances of the smoke. I find overhumidified cigars flavors are quite muted.

bsmokin · 07-03-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Better. More "pop" to upfront flavors while being able to ascern the more subtle nuances of the smoke. I find overhumidified cigars flavors are quite muted.

Totally agree with this... a bit on the drier side.... 65% is ideal IMHO.

Kreth · 06-12-2010, 04:19 PM

One other thing to watch out for is splitting wrappers, although this is usually caused by a sudden swing from low to high RH.
Try the dry-boxing and see if you like how they smoke.
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06-12-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kreth

One other thing to watch out for is splitting wrappers, although this is usually caused by a sudden swing from low to high RH.
Try the dry-boxing and see if you like how they smoke.

Yep. Aside from splitting wrappers, I think the only long term damage that high humidity might cause is mold. You're probably ok on that below 75% RH. Any higher than that and it might be a concern. Probably more of a concern in Vinotemps or Coolers, rather than traditional humidors or cabinets as well cause there is less air exchange.

tomc3084 · 06-13-2010, 10:30 PM

Ok, for some reason it seems the Rh is a little higher in my cooler than in the room it is in, weird I know...so how do I work on bringing the rh down until the beads get here, leave the door open maybe?

bobarian · 06-13-2010, 11:18 PM

You are worrying way too much. The key is smokability, if they smoke well its all good. Having an occasional wrapper issue on one or two marcas is common, some wrappers are much thinner than others. When wrappers split on different types of wrappers from different manufacturers, that is the time to worry. Otherwise, relax and enjoy your smokes.

pnoon · 06-13-2010, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

You are worrying way too much. The key is smokability, if they smoke well its all good. Having an occasional wrapper issue on one or two marcas is common, some wrappers are much thinner than others. When wrappers split on different types of wrappers from different manufacturers, that is the time to worry. Otherwise, relax and enjoy your smokes.

Wise words, Bob.

shilala · 06-18-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tomc3084

Ok, for some reason it seems the Rh is a little higher in my cooler than in the room it is in, weird I know...so how do I work on bringing the rh down until the beads get here, leave the door open maybe?

I use a can of damprid and pull some water out of the air and cigars slowly. It works great.
You asked about the difference in cigars at lower RH...
Aside from the lighting issues, they just tatse better to me. I've moved down and down till I'm at around 64% now, but in one humi I keep it at around 61%.
I haven't been keeping cigars long enough to be confident in my abilities to keep a humidor in the right range without a hygrometer, but I can tell when a cigar is too wet for my liking just by feeling it and smelling it.
I'll just put it back in the humidor till it's ready.
NC's seem to be a little more forgiving when they're a bit wet, to me. It seems they're kind of "designed" to smoke a little wetter. It seems to me that cc's can't tolerate it at all, and smoke awful when they're wet.
It seems to take cc's longer to get "right" than nc's, too.
They seem to have a period where they're real hard, and then they relax. I think it's because of how the moisture is distributed unevenly, the cigar being drier on the outside and wetter in the center.
CC's seem to be rolled much tighter initially than nc's, too.
Please take this with a grain of salt. They're my opinions and observations. I've got a lot of learning to do. That's why I lean on these guys.

06-12-2010, 09:40 AM	#1
tomc3084 Feeling at Home Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Tom Location: Baden, PA Posts: 710 Trading: (26)	Humidor Question Hi Guys- I just purchased myself a re-adjustable hydrometer because I felt my humidity was high even though my non adjustable hydrometer said it was of an okay level. Okay, so after a few days of playing around with the hydrometer to make sure it was reading correctly I finally got to put it in my humidor last night. Well, today when I opened it I was shocked. It is reading 72/74 rH on top and 75 on the bottom. I am not sure if I have 65 or 70 beads, but I went and ordered myself one pound 60% percent beads. My question is that since my smokes have been in these conditions for the last several(3-4) months, besides the obvious(cigars being too humid), is there anything I need to worry about. Thanks in advance for any much appreciated feedback Tommy __________________ [SIGPIC]

06-12-2010, 10:02 AM	#2
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,308 Trading: (60)	Re: Humidor Question How do they burn, and how do they taste? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

06-12-2010, 10:09 AM	#3
tomc3084 Feeling at Home Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Tom Location: Baden, PA Posts: 710 Trading: (26)	Re: Humidor Question Tom, some of my smokes go out a couple times, some don't. Some burn all the way through without relight and have perfect burn. For the most part they burn good, just the relighting issues is there more than not. __________________ [SIGPIC]

06-12-2010, 10:12 AM	#4
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,308 Trading: (60)	Re: Humidor Question That is usually overhumidification....as you slowly bring the RH down, your cigars should improve and smoke better...I am sure you haven't done any permanent damage to anything. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

06-12-2010, 10:26 AM	#5
massphatness Where's my buffaloooo ... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Vin Location: MassHolia Posts: 12,690 Trading: (206)	Re: Humidor Question Agreed. You also may want to consider dry boxing some of your stock to see if that gets them in more smokeable condition. Posted via Mobile Device

06-12-2010, 11:22 AM	#6
Ashcan Bill Ol' Dude Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bill Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 1,900 Trading: (6)	Re: Humidor Question I doubt you've hurt anything. The humidity in the islands where many cigars are made is pretty high. Doesn't hurt 'em there, shouldn't hurt them here. As Tom ponted out, the real gauge is how they smoke. At over 70% I'd expect a lot of burn/draw problems. As the humidity drops, they should start smoking a lot better. I don't sweat the numbers much. I adjust my humidors based on how my cigars feel and smoke.

06-12-2010, 11:43 AM	#8
tomc3084 Feeling at Home Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Tom Location: Baden, PA Posts: 710 Trading: (26)	Re: Humidor Question I know it is an age old question, but I really value your opinions, so what do you guys personally think about the taste meaning: Do you think my cigars will taste better/worse/same as I bring the rH down? __________________ [SIGPIC]

06-12-2010, 04:19 PM	#11
Kreth Ronin smoker Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Oneonta, NY Posts: 3,620 Trading: (14)	Re: Humidor Question One other thing to watch out for is splitting wrappers, although this is usually caused by a sudden swing from low to high RH. Try the dry-boxing and see if you like how they smoke. Posted via Mobile Device

06-13-2010, 10:30 PM	#13
tomc3084 Feeling at Home Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Tom Location: Baden, PA Posts: 710 Trading: (26)	Re: Humidor Question Ok, for some reason it seems the Rh is a little higher in my cooler than in the room it is in, weird I know...so how do I work on bringing the rh down until the beads get here, leave the door open maybe? __________________ [SIGPIC]

06-13-2010, 11:18 PM	#14
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Humidor Question You are worrying way too much. The key is smokability, if they smoke well its all good. Having an occasional wrapper issue on one or two marcas is common, some wrappers are much thinner than others. When wrappers split on different types of wrappers from different manufacturers, that is the time to worry. Otherwise, relax and enjoy your smokes.