A History of America in Cigar Consumption

DrDubzz · 02-26-2010, 01:05 PM

Just got this from the economist, haven't really even read it yet

http://www.economist.com/daily/news/...ry_id=15581140

read it, it's just a blurb and a graph, but interesting

JE3146 · 02-26-2010, 01:13 PM

The figures prior to 1920 are the most astonishing. Average per adult male.. over 250 a year!?

DrDubzz · 02-26-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

The figures prior to 1920 are the most astonishing. Average per adult male.. over 250 a year!?

That's why everything came in 50 and 100 cabs, it had to!

Neuromancer · 02-26-2010, 01:54 PM

Hmmm...when Kennedy put the embargo in effect, he'd just picked up about 50 boxes of the CC's he liked...no way he had time to smoke them all...wonder what happened to them...just think of it...somewhere out there today there may be a hugh stash of pre-embargo CC's that are almost 50 years old...nah, Sargent Shriver probably smoked 'em...

SmokeyJoe · 02-26-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Hmmm...when Kennedy put the embargo in effect, he'd just picked up about 50 boxes of the CC's he liked...no way he had time to smoke them all...wonder what happened to them...just think of it...somewhere out there today there may be a hugh stash of pre-embargo CC's that are almost 50 years old...nah, Sargent Shriver probably smoked 'em...

Marvin Shanken bought them at Auction, April 23, 1996

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...22,131,00.html

Google is your friend!

qwerty1500 · 02-26-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

Marvin Shanken bought them at Auction, April 23, 1996

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...22,131,00.html

Google is your friend!

Thanks. It solves the mystery about what happened to JFK's humidor. Unless I missed it, the article didn't say anything about the cigars. I have often wondered what became of them.

SmokeyJoe · 03-25-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

Marvin Shanken bought them at Auction, April 23, 1996

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...22,131,00.html

Google is your friend!

Another auction in 2005 for some of his cigars...

http://www.cigarenvy.com/2005/12/13/...ia-on-auction/

The Poet · 02-26-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

The figures prior to 1920 are the most astonishing. Average per adult male.. over 250 a year!?

That's why they didn't sell them by the box, but rather by the barrel.

It was NOT the Anti-Smoking Lobby that killed the dominance of cigars in this country, it was the development and marketing of the cigarette.

CheapHumidors · 02-26-2010, 03:20 PM

Cool article bro thanks!

ucla695 · 02-26-2010, 03:52 PM

Man, the more I hear about JFK making sure his humi was stocked before he expanded the embargo, the more my blood boils that we still have to deal with his crap....

The Poet · 02-26-2010, 03:57 PM

Rank has its privilege, no matter how rank.

ucla695 · 02-26-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poet

Rank has its privilege, no matter how rank.

So true!

02-26-2010, 09:14 PM

Cool article. I can remember in the 60's thru the 70's that I was smoking at least 200 per year and then tapered off from the mid 70's to the mid 90's. That graph is really something to see as I would have thought back in the first of the century that cigar smoking wasn't all that prevalent.

Razorhog · 02-26-2010, 10:00 PM

Very interesting!

M1903A1 · 02-26-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cigary

That graph is really something to see as I would have thought back in the first of the century that cigar smoking wasn't all that prevalent.

Au contraire! It was once very prevalent.

From what I've read cigars did not seriously begin to be superseded by cigarettes (in the US at least) until after large numbers of American men were introduced to them in the trenches of World War I.

Neuromancer · 02-27-2010, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by M1903A1

Au contraire! It was once very prevalent.

From what I've read cigars did not seriously begin to be superseded by cigarettes (in the US at least) until after large numbers of American men were introduced to them in the trenches of World War I.

The switch from cigars to cigarettes came primarily with the invention of the automatic cigarette rolling machines which made it possible to provide them in mass quantities and at cheaper prices, somewhere around the turn of the 19th to the 20th century...

Tredegar · 02-27-2010, 07:26 AM

I agree with the size of cigars being smaller a century ago. If you look at almost any picture of guys smoking cigars from then, they are almost all smaller ring gauges. Also, I have seen a prevalence of smaller ring gauge perfectos that people were smoking. The advent of cigarettes did lower cigar consumption especially when you think about how many people were also employed in factories and didn't have time to smoke a cigar but did have time for a quick cigarette.

shilala · 02-27-2010, 07:42 AM

Cigars used to be a huge part of daily life here, especially around the cities.
They were used largely in advertising and politicking.
In days before tv, if someone wanted your attention to try to sell you something, they'd have a few boxes of cigars and lay down their pitch while you were smoking the cigar they just gave you. Life was at a much slower pace and folks hung out on the street a lot. Anyone running for any kind of office wouldn't think of going out stumping without a large supply of smokes. They had dress boxes made up with their name and campaign slogans and singles were given out widely.
A large part of the cigars were perfecto candelas.
There are all sorts of cigar art sites and tons of reading available on the internet about this stuff. It's fun reading.

02-27-2010, 08:04 AM

think about this....

1940:- Adult Americans smoke 2,558 cigarettes per capita a year, nearly twice the consumption of 1930.

LINK

Footbag · 02-27-2010, 09:32 AM

Very interesting, but I found two things a bit odd...
First, they referred to Pierre Salinger as a lackey. He was a press secretary and JFK's campaign manager. Not what I'd call a a lackey.
Also, they refer to 1994 as being the beginning of the dot com bubble. Bubbles don't really have a beginning. It should be referred to as the boom, and if they chose to refer to the bubble, they should point to its peak. The beginning of the bubble would be difficult to nail down.
These are two things the Economist should get right, and not be loose with the facts.

02-26-2010, 01:05 PM	#1
DrDubzz Formerly RX2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: Virginia Posts: 2,201 Trading: (34)	A History of America in Cigar Consumption Just got this from the economist, haven't really even read it yet http://www.economist.com/daily/news/...ry_id=15581140 read it, it's just a blurb and a graph, but interesting

02-26-2010, 01:13 PM	#2
JE3146 Jordan #2 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jordan Location: Tigard, OR Posts: 2,115 Trading: (26)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption The figures prior to 1920 are the most astonishing. Average per adult male.. over 250 a year!?

02-26-2010, 01:54 PM	#4
Neuromancer Will work for Boli GM's Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Marc Location: Lost in translation...near Newnan, GA Posts: 1,417 Trading: (23)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption Hmmm...when Kennedy put the embargo in effect, he'd just picked up about 50 boxes of the CC's he liked...no way he had time to smoke them all...wonder what happened to them...just think of it...somewhere out there today there may be a hugh stash of pre-embargo CC's that are almost 50 years old...nah, Sargent Shriver probably smoked 'em... __________________ "...pipe smoking is properly an intellectual exercise." ~ Christopher Morley, 1916

02-26-2010, 03:20 PM	#9
CheapHumidors Still Watching My Back Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 149 Trading: (0)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption Cool article bro thanks!

02-26-2010, 03:52 PM	#10
ucla695 Neither here, nor there Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pool Posts: 3,696 Trading: (5)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption Man, the more I hear about JFK making sure his humi was stocked before he expanded the embargo, the more my blood boils that we still have to deal with his crap....

02-26-2010, 03:57 PM	#11
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption Rank has its privilege, no matter how rank.

02-26-2010, 09:14 PM	#13
Cigary Guest Posts: n/a	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption Cool article. I can remember in the 60's thru the 70's that I was smoking at least 200 per year and then tapered off from the mid 70's to the mid 90's. That graph is really something to see as I would have thought back in the first of the century that cigar smoking wasn't all that prevalent.

02-26-2010, 10:00 PM	#14
Razorhog Feeling at Home Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: Beau Location: NE Arkansas Posts: 600 Trading: (4)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption Very interesting!

02-27-2010, 07:26 AM	#17
Tredegar Sing along with me Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 670 Trading: (9)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption I agree with the size of cigars being smaller a century ago. If you look at almost any picture of guys smoking cigars from then, they are almost all smaller ring gauges. Also, I have seen a prevalence of smaller ring gauge perfectos that people were smoking. The advent of cigarettes did lower cigar consumption especially when you think about how many people were also employed in factories and didn't have time to smoke a cigar but did have time for a quick cigarette.

02-27-2010, 07:42 AM	#18
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption Cigars used to be a huge part of daily life here, especially around the cities. They were used largely in advertising and politicking. In days before tv, if someone wanted your attention to try to sell you something, they'd have a few boxes of cigars and lay down their pitch while you were smoking the cigar they just gave you. Life was at a much slower pace and folks hung out on the street a lot. Anyone running for any kind of office wouldn't think of going out stumping without a large supply of smokes. They had dress boxes made up with their name and campaign slogans and singles were given out widely. A large part of the cigars were perfecto candelas. There are all sorts of cigar art sites and tons of reading available on the internet about this stuff. It's fun reading. __________________

02-27-2010, 08:04 AM	#19
tobii3 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption think about this.... 1940:- Adult Americans smoke 2,558 cigarettes per capita a year, nearly twice the consumption of 1930. LINK

02-27-2010, 09:32 AM	#20
Footbag I Need My Space Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Adam Location: NEPA Posts: 1,216 Trading: (7)	Re: A History of America in Cigar Consumption Very interesting, but I found two things a bit odd... First, they referred to Pierre Salinger as a lackey. He was a press secretary and JFK's campaign manager. Not what I'd call a a lackey. Also, they refer to 1994 as being the beginning of the dot com bubble. Bubbles don't really have a beginning. It should be referred to as the boom, and if they chose to refer to the bubble, they should point to its peak. The beginning of the bubble would be difficult to nail down. These are two things the Economist should get right, and not be loose with the facts.