Why should the Government Have a Say?

12-11-2009, 07:45 AM

I smoke cigars, cigarettes, and Hookah. Why should the government have a say in where we smoke or what we smoke?If I happen to get lung cancer or Mouth cancer, God Forbid, that would be by my own doing. I made that mistake but hey it was good while it lasted. Hey Government worry about getting us out of this recession and leave us to the smoking.

68TriShield · 12-11-2009, 07:52 AM

I could not agree more Bianca. It's quite sad really...

mosesbotbol · 12-11-2009, 07:56 AM

You're preaching the choir.

I could give you a lot of reasons why someone would say you are incorrect, but I don't want to cite a heated thread that's not really my opinion. So why bother?

Skywalker · 12-11-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

You're preaching the choir.

I could give you a lot of reasons why someone would say you are incorrect, but I don't want to cite a heated thread that's not really my opinion. So why bother?

My answer would be political... won't go there!!!

Ashcan Bill · 12-11-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

My answer would be political... won't go there!!!

Likewise.

12-11-2009, 01:12 PM

I think you will find that about 99.99999% of the people here will agree with you, and the .00001% that doesn't probably are just doing it to be funny.

12-11-2009, 07:20 PM

Even if I didn't smoke, I'd be against the bans. As long it is an establishment that you have to be 18 to enter, it should be up to the owner/proprietor. If the demand for non-smoking establishments is that high, then they shouldn't have a problem with lost business.

And if I say any more, it would get political. LOL

12-11-2009, 07:30 PM

Why should the Government Have a Say? Because a certain few people in power don't believe people should smoke. How those certain few people got in power, I don't know. But im sure they don't want people doing a lot of things.

Sauer Grapes · 12-11-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Wanger

Even if I didn't smoke, I'd be against the bans. As long it is an establishment that you have to be 18 to enter, it should be up to the owner/proprietor. If the demand for non-smoking establishments is that high, then they shouldn't have a problem with lost business.

And if I say any more, it would get political. LOL

A lot of people say this isn't the case... however, where I live just had a smoking ban start and it didn't have a noticeable effect anywhere I've been because most restaurants and bars were already non smoking. The free market really will provide non smoking options and plenty of them without the government forcing the issue with bans.

12-11-2009, 11:15 PM

Anti-smoking laws are nothing new. The Ottoman Empire attempted a smoking ban in the early 17th century, 400 years later the war against evil tobacco rages on.

Sauer Grapes · 12-11-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Demented

Anti-smoking laws are nothing new. The Ottoman Empire attempted a smoking ban in the early 17th century, 400 years later the war against evil tobacco rages on.

No doubt because of the fire danger cigarettes posed to their footrests and couches.

AD720 · 12-12-2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes

No doubt because of the fire danger cigarettes posed to their footrests and couches.

12-12-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes

No doubt because of the fire danger cigarettes posed to their footrests and couches.

If you smoked in the early 17th c. you smoked a pipe.

12-12-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanger

If the demand for non-smoking establishments is that high, then they shouldn't have a problem with lost business.

Amen! Let's have a little more "free" in our free market economy!

Blueface · 12-11-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Latinbeauty

I smoke cigars, cigarettes, and Hookah. Why should the government have a say in where we smoke or what we smoke?If I happen to get lung cancer or Mouth cancer, God Forbid, that would be by my own doing. I made that mistake but hey it was good while it lasted. Hey Government worry about getting us out of this recession and leave us to the smoking.

Is cigars all that worries you about them?

Whynot · 12-12-2009, 08:44 AM

I don't have a problem with bans in public buildings, but if it is a private enterprise, the owner should make the rules. And I find it hard to make it political since there are donkeys from all parties involved.

Blueface · 12-12-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleF

It is truly sad, but what's sadder is we do nothing except complain about our government instead of oppose and fight them, niot that we would win............myself included.

Kinda reminds me of why our forefathers left Europe.....

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Originally Posted by Whynot

I don't have a problem with bans in public buildings, but if it is a private enterprise, the owner should make the rules. And I find it hard to make it political since there are donkeys from all parties involved.

Easy solution.
Get a space shuttle that seats 535 (435 for House and 100 for Senate).
Send them on a FREE one way ticket to the moon.
That should temporarily solve our smoking problem as we will then be able to smoke all we want, anywhere we want, while we decide who will replace them.

mosesbotbol · 12-12-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Whynot

I don't have a problem with bans in public buildings, but if it is a private enterprise, the owner should make the rules. And I find it hard to make it political since there are donkeys from all parties involved.

If you feel that Government has a duty to protect its citizens, then you can argue that the owner does not have a right to make his own rules.

I did not want to go there, but you have to consider the larger philosophical issues on government and governance.

shark · 12-13-2009, 12:40 AM

There's nothing more annoying or self-righteous than a former smoker. I got into it on a blog on the local news website over our recent legislation here with some of these assclowns.

Ranger_B · 12-13-2009, 01:45 AM

Its pretty bad that for every past time I have there is an association I need to pay dues for in hopes of being allowed to continue doing it. It makes me so happy to be fighting for all this freedom sometimes. Between the NRA, CRA who knows what the next one will be.

12-11-2009, 07:45 AM	#1
Latinbeauty Guest Posts: n/a	Why should the Government Have a Say? I smoke cigars, cigarettes, and Hookah. Why should the government have a say in where we smoke or what we smoke?If I happen to get lung cancer or Mouth cancer, God Forbid, that would be by my own doing. I made that mistake but hey it was good while it lasted. Hey Government worry about getting us out of this recession and leave us to the smoking.

12-11-2009, 07:52 AM	#2
68TriShield Got Torque? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Maryland Posts: 7,194 Trading: (40)	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? I could not agree more Bianca. It's quite sad really...

12-11-2009, 07:56 AM	#3
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? You're preaching the choir. I could give you a lot of reasons why someone would say you are incorrect, but I don't want to cite a heated thread that's not really my opinion. So why bother? __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

12-11-2009, 01:12 PM	#6
DougBushBC Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? I think you will find that about 99.99999% of the people here will agree with you, and the .00001% that doesn't probably are just doing it to be funny.

12-11-2009, 07:20 PM	#7
Wanger Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? Even if I didn't smoke, I'd be against the bans. As long it is an establishment that you have to be 18 to enter, it should be up to the owner/proprietor. If the demand for non-smoking establishments is that high, then they shouldn't have a problem with lost business. And if I say any more, it would get political. LOL

12-11-2009, 07:30 PM	#8
ChicagoWhiteSox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? Why should the Government Have a Say? Because a certain few people in power don't believe people should smoke. How those certain few people got in power, I don't know. But im sure they don't want people doing a lot of things.

12-11-2009, 11:15 PM	#10
Demented Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? Anti-smoking laws are nothing new. The Ottoman Empire attempted a smoking ban in the early 17th century, 400 years later the war against evil tobacco rages on.

12-12-2009, 08:44 AM	#16
Whynot Living the dream... Join Date: Nov 2009 First Name: Aaron Location: New Mexico Posts: 175 Trading: (11)	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? I don't have a problem with bans in public buildings, but if it is a private enterprise, the owner should make the rules. And I find it hard to make it political since there are donkeys from all parties involved. __________________ "My time coming, any day, don't worry bout me, no. Been so long I felt this way, ain't in no hurry, no"

12-13-2009, 12:40 AM	#19
shark Cigar Smokin' Patriot Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Ron Location: Michigan Posts: 3,584 Trading: (0)	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? There's nothing more annoying or self-righteous than a former smoker. I got into it on a blog on the local news website over our recent legislation here with some of these assclowns. __________________ Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds

12-13-2009, 01:45 AM	#20
Ranger_B Have My Own Room Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Frank Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,321 Trading: (31)	Re: Why should the Government Have a Say? Its pretty bad that for every past time I have there is an association I need to pay dues for in hopes of being allowed to continue doing it. It makes me so happy to be fighting for all this freedom sometimes. Between the NRA, CRA who knows what the next one will be.