Ban on tobacco urged in military

elderboy02 · 07-10-2009, 10:11 AM

What a bunch of crap:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/militar...-smoking_N.htm

Ban on tobacco urged in military

By Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Pentagon health experts are urging Defense Secretary Robert Gates to ban the use of tobacco by troops and end its sale on military property, a change that could dramatically alter a culture intertwined with smoking.
Jack Smith, head of the Pentagon's office of clinical and program policy, says he will recommend that Gates adopt proposals by a federal study that cites rising tobacco use and higher costs for the Pentagon and Department of Veterans Affairs as reasons for the ban.

The study by the Institute of Medicine, requested by the VA and Pentagon, calls for a phased-in ban over a period of years, perhaps up to 20. "We'll certainly be taking that recommendation forward," Smith says.

A tobacco ban would confront a military culture, the report says, in which "the image of the battle-weary soldier in fatigues and helmet, fighting for his country, has frequently included his lit cigarette."

Also, the report said, troops worn out by repeated deployments often rely on cigarettes as a "stress reliever." The study found that tobacco use in the military increased after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan began.

Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said the department supports a smoke-free military "and believes it is achievable." She declined to elaborate on any possible ban.

One in three servicemembers use tobacco, the report says, compared with one in five adult Americans. The heaviest smokers are soldiers and Marines, who have done most of the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the study says. About 37% of soldiers use tobacco and 36% of Marines. Combat veterans are 50% more likely to use tobacco than troops who haven't seen combat.

Tobacco use costs the Pentagon $846 million a year in medical care and lost productivity, says the report, which used older data. The Department of Veterans Affairs spends up to $6 billion in treatments for tobacco-related illnesses, says the study, which was released late last month.

Along with a phased-in ban, the report recommends requiring new officers and enlisted personnel to be tobacco-free, eliminating tobacco use on military installations, ships and aircraft, expanding treatment programs and eliminating the sale of tobacco on military property. "Any tobacco use while in uniform should be prohibited," the study says.

The military complicates attempts to curb tobacco use by subsidizing tobacco products for troops who buy them at base exchanges and commissaries, says Kenneth Kizer, a committee member and architect of California's anti-tobacco program.

Seventy percent of profits from tobacco sales — $88 million in 2005 — pays for recreation and family support programs, the study stays.

Strong leadership could make the military tobacco-free in five to 10 years, Kizer says. President Obama, he says, could set an example for the military by ending his own smoking habit once and for all. Last month, Obama said he is "95% cured" but "there are times when I mess up" and smoke.

jjirons69 · 07-10-2009, 10:24 AM

Wow. Don't think it'll ever fly.

rizzle · 07-10-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jjirons69

Wow. Don't think it'll ever fly.

Exactly what I was going to say Jamie.

BengalMan · 07-10-2009, 10:31 AM

Wow Dan, quick to copy and paste my tweet here, lol. You had it up before I could even load CA. Anyways, I think this is flat out ridiculous.

How many heartfelt responses do we all see from the troops because of cigars that we, along with shops, and manufacturers all send over there. It's just sad that things are now coming to this. You can sign up to defend our country, get shot at and potentially get killed, but you can't have a cigar....

elderboy02 · 07-10-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BengalMan

Wow Dan, quick to copy and paste my tweet here, lol. You had it up before I could even load CA. Anyways, I think this is flat out ridiculous.

How many heartfelt responses do we all see from the troops because of cigars that we, along with shops, and manufacturers all send over there. It's just sad that things are now coming to this. You can sign up to defend our country, get shot at and potentially get killed, but you can't have a cigar....

Ha! I saw it posted on ar15 before I saw your tweet

BengalMan · 07-10-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

Ha! I saw it posted on ar15 before I saw your tweet

It's all good. The more we get the word out the better.

elderboy02 · 07-10-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BengalMan

It's all good. The more we get the word out the better.

Yep. I totally agree with your statement how they can die for us, but no cigars.

Freaking morons.

SmokinCozy · 07-10-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

Yep. I totally agree with your statement how they can die for us, but no cigars.

Freaking morons.

I'm with ya. The same way we can go off to war at 18 but can't have a drink til 21. Maybe a military ID should bypass that law.

ade06 · 07-10-2009, 10:35 AM

I would never have believed that a tobacco state like NC would ban smoking in public places either... This should be interesting to see played out.

Col. Kurtz · 07-10-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ade06

I would never have believed that a tobacco state like NC would ban smoking in public places either... This should be interesting to see played out.

Well, the N.C. I grew up in is no more. There are many reasons...... I remember people smoking in church in Wilson, N.C.

papajohn67 · 07-10-2009, 11:07 AM

Next they will be telling us 2nd hand smoke is detrimental to the well-being of the enemy.

e-man67 · 07-10-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by papajohn67

Next they will be telling us 2nd hand smoke is detrimental to the well-being of the enemy.

Yep...I can see that coming...along with replacing real bullets with rubber ones so they don't kill anyone.

shilala · 07-10-2009, 10:41 AM

This may be the most retarded thing I've ever read.
I can't even believe my eyes.

kydsid · 07-10-2009, 10:44 AM

Last I knew for the safety of the troops the CO's at bases in southern Texas allowed soldiers 18-21 to drink while on base to keep them from going to Mexico to get drunk. The DOD is fine with that but god forbid they expose themselves to deadly nicotine.

ade06 · 07-10-2009, 10:49 AM

I think it's crazy to prevent anyone that is willing to die for our country from using any legal product. Next thing to ban will be all of those sports cars and motorcycles those young military guys are buying. Don't they know those things are dangerous!

Jimbo14 · 07-11-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ade06

I think it's crazy to prevent anyone that is willing to die for our country from using any legal product. Next thing to ban will be all of those sports cars and motorcycles those young military guys are buying. Don't they know those things are dangerous!

Good point. Goverments are treating adults like children. We know the risks and are willing to take them.

So the idea is a soilder after spending a week on the front line, returning to the green zone cant light up a cigar to relaxing and reflect on being ALIVE!

What a joke.

07-10-2009, 10:51 AM

"Lost productivity"?

Tobacco was once government issue as in GI. It's value as a calmative & appetite suppressant has been known and utilized by soldiers for centuries. As with all things in life the benefits in many cases outweigh the negatives.

shilala · 07-10-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tzaddi

"Lost productivity"?

Tobacco was once government issue as in GI. It's value as a calmative & appetite suppressant has been known and utilized by soldiers for centuries. As with all things in life the benefits in many cases outweigh the negatives.

I'd think that from a health-conscious standpoint, it'd be highly more advantageous to work on banning being shot at.
I still can't even believe it.
"Boys, drive down that road there and get blown up, but for God's sake, don't smoke. It'll kill ya."

troutbreath · 07-11-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala

I'd think that from a health-conscious standpoint, it'd be highly more advantageous to work on banning being shot at.I still can't even believe it.
"Boys, drive down that road there and get blown up, but for God's sake, don't smoke. It'll kill ya."

Bingo!! Unless they are planning on converting the military into an accounting agency, this is ridiculous. Personally, I'm all for giving our fighting men and women anything they need to be comfortable while they defend our interests.

God bless you all.

07-11-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by troutbreath

Bingo!! Unless they are planning on converting the military into an accounting agency, this is ridiculous. Personally, I'm all for giving our fighting men and women anything they need to be comfortable while they defend our interests.

God bless you all.

+1

07-10-2009, 10:11 AM	#1
elderboy02 Lets Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dan Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 12,508 Trading: (133)	Ban on tobacco urged in military What a bunch of crap: http://www.usatoday.com/news/militar...-smoking_N.htm Ban on tobacco urged in military By Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — Pentagon health experts are urging Defense Secretary Robert Gates to ban the use of tobacco by troops and end its sale on military property, a change that could dramatically alter a culture intertwined with smoking. Jack Smith, head of the Pentagon's office of clinical and program policy, says he will recommend that Gates adopt proposals by a federal study that cites rising tobacco use and higher costs for the Pentagon and Department of Veterans Affairs as reasons for the ban. The study by the Institute of Medicine, requested by the VA and Pentagon, calls for a phased-in ban over a period of years, perhaps up to 20. "We'll certainly be taking that recommendation forward," Smith says. A tobacco ban would confront a military culture, the report says, in which "the image of the battle-weary soldier in fatigues and helmet, fighting for his country, has frequently included his lit cigarette." Also, the report said, troops worn out by repeated deployments often rely on cigarettes as a "stress reliever." The study found that tobacco use in the military increased after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan began. Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said the department supports a smoke-free military "and believes it is achievable." She declined to elaborate on any possible ban. One in three servicemembers use tobacco, the report says, compared with one in five adult Americans. The heaviest smokers are soldiers and Marines, who have done most of the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the study says. About 37% of soldiers use tobacco and 36% of Marines. Combat veterans are 50% more likely to use tobacco than troops who haven't seen combat. Tobacco use costs the Pentagon $846 million a year in medical care and lost productivity, says the report, which used older data. The Department of Veterans Affairs spends up to $6 billion in treatments for tobacco-related illnesses, says the study, which was released late last month. Along with a phased-in ban, the report recommends requiring new officers and enlisted personnel to be tobacco-free, eliminating tobacco use on military installations, ships and aircraft, expanding treatment programs and eliminating the sale of tobacco on military property. "Any tobacco use while in uniform should be prohibited," the study says. The military complicates attempts to curb tobacco use by subsidizing tobacco products for troops who buy them at base exchanges and commissaries, says Kenneth Kizer, a committee member and architect of California's anti-tobacco program. Seventy percent of profits from tobacco sales — $88 million in 2005 — pays for recreation and family support programs, the study stays. Strong leadership could make the military tobacco-free in five to 10 years, Kizer says. President Obama, he says, could set an example for the military by ending his own smoking habit once and for all. Last month, Obama said he is "95% cured" but "there are times when I mess up" and smoke.

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jjirons69 Haberdasher Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jamie Location: Chucktown, SC Posts: 4,120 Trading: (94)	Re: Ban on tobacco urged in military Wow. Don't think it'll ever fly. __________________ Somebody has to go back and get a chitload of dimes

07-10-2009, 10:31 AM	#4
BengalMan Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Ian Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,280 Trading: (10)	Re: Ban on tobacco urged in military Wow Dan, quick to copy and paste my tweet here, lol. You had it up before I could even load CA. Anyways, I think this is flat out ridiculous. How many heartfelt responses do we all see from the troops because of cigars that we, along with shops, and manufacturers all send over there. It's just sad that things are now coming to this. You can sign up to defend our country, get shot at and potentially get killed, but you can't have a cigar....

07-10-2009, 10:35 AM	#9
ade06 Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ade Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,190 Trading: (24)	Re: Ban on tobacco urged in military I would never have believed that a tobacco state like NC would ban smoking in public places either... This should be interesting to see played out. Last edited by ade06; 07-10-2009 at 10:35 AM. Reason: editing is fun

07-10-2009, 11:07 AM	#11
papajohn67 Reprobate From The 101st Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 911 Trading: (62)	Re: Ban on tobacco urged in military Next they will be telling us 2nd hand smoke is detrimental to the well-being of the enemy.

07-10-2009, 10:41 AM	#13
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Ban on tobacco urged in military This may be the most retarded thing I've ever read. I can't even believe my eyes. __________________

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kydsid Ditat Deus Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Jason Location: Among the Pines Posts: 2,361 Trading: (46)	Re: Ban on tobacco urged in military Last I knew for the safety of the troops the CO's at bases in southern Texas allowed soldiers 18-21 to drink while on base to keep them from going to Mexico to get drunk. The DOD is fine with that but god forbid they expose themselves to deadly nicotine.

07-10-2009, 10:49 AM	#15
ade06 Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ade Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,190 Trading: (24)	Re: Ban on tobacco urged in military I think it's crazy to prevent anyone that is willing to die for our country from using any legal product. Next thing to ban will be all of those sports cars and motorcycles those young military guys are buying. Don't they know those things are dangerous!

07-10-2009, 10:51 AM	#17
tzaddi Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ban on tobacco urged in military "Lost productivity"? Tobacco was once government issue as in GI. It's value as a calmative & appetite suppressant has been known and utilized by soldiers for centuries. As with all things in life the benefits in many cases outweigh the negatives.