Draw Tools Question

BlackDog · 04-27-2009, 10:21 AM

How do you guys recommend using draw tools? One punch all the way through the cigar? A little at a time and test the draw after each punch? Something other? Thanks!

SmokeyJoe · 04-27-2009, 10:44 AM

Don't know what is the "right" way necessarily...

However, while holding the cigar gently, but firmly, I put the Henry's down the center of the clipped head. I slowly work it down the length of the cigar until I feel it "free up" a bit - getting past whatever plug may have been causing the resistance.

Used that technique twice this weekend and saved a nice cc and a quality nc. Hope it helps...

AD720 · 04-27-2009, 10:50 AM

I've found that a lot of the time the "plug" is in the band area so I start slow and and go a little bit at a time. It helps to wiggle it a little. (thats what she said)

BigAsh · 04-27-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AD720

I've found that a lot of the time the "plug" is in the band area so I start slow and and go a little bit at a time. It helps to wiggle it a little. (thats what she said)

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bobarian · 04-27-2009, 06:42 PM

Inevitably you will poke through the side a few times. But with practice you will get better at lining things up and getting it straight the first time. Lanceros are always a challenge.

04-27-2009, 10:56 AM

When I get a cigar that doesn't draw I usually just toss it. It sucks because I'm had many good cubans ruined because of tough draws. But realistically after trying different tricks for years with varying degrees of success I find that I just enjoy the experience so much less when I have to work toward getting it to smoke.

md4958 · 04-27-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

Don't know what is the "right" way necessarily...

However, while holding the cigar gently, but firmly, I put the Henry's down the center of the clipped head. I slowly work it down the length of the cigar until I feel it "free up" a bit - getting past whatever plug may have been causing the resistance.

Used that technique twice this weekend and saved a nice cc and a quality nc. Hope it helps...

If the cigar is long enough to be gripped, I find that holding it in a fist will provide you better accuracy and prevent you from poking through the side because youre cautious not to poke your hand.

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Originally Posted by pmp

When I get a cigar that doesn't draw I usually just toss it. It sucks because I'm had many good cubans ruined because of tough draws. But realistically after trying different tricks for years with varying degrees of success I find that I just enjoy the experience so much less when I have to work toward getting it to smoke.

I used to pitch them too, but the other night I was so frustrated I went and took a metal coat hanger, clipped with a pair of pliers just above one of the bends, and then at an angle in the middle of the straight portion... voilà, instant draw tool. Clipping at an angle gives you a sharp point, and will cut through the plug, instead of pushing through it... then give it a little twist just to give you that much more space.

You might need to do it more than once.

Anyway, it saved the stick I was smoking.

04-29-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

If the cigar is long enough to be gripped, I find that holding it in a fist will provide you better accuracy and prevent you from poking through the side because youre cautious not to poke your hand.

I used to pitch them too, but the other night I was so frustrated I went and took a metal coat hanger, clipped with a pair of pliers just above one of the bends, and then at an angle in the middle of the straight portion... voilà, instant draw tool. Clipping at an angle gives you a sharp point, and will cut through the plug, instead of pushing through it... then give it a little twist just to give you that much more space.

You might need to do it more than once.

Anyway, it saved the stick I was smoking.

I have no problem saving the stick but its never quite the same.

ca21455 · 04-29-2009, 03:30 PM

I prefer to use the holistic approach. Agree the plug is usually found around the band area. Sometimes it helps to gently roll the cigar between your fingers while applying pressure. This has a tendency to loosen up the leaves and allow better flow. That works a good deal of the time. If not then a good piercing as previously described will do the trick.

GoatLocker · 04-29-2009, 04:23 PM

Trying to poke all the way through is risky unless you are smoking short fat cigars, but then, they don't typically have many draw issues... I'm not a big believer in draw tools, but I would only poke as far as needed, from the end closest to the problem.

There really isn't any single solution for a cigar that won't give up the goods. Some are just rolled too tight, and can be helped to some degree by dry boxing.

Some are plugged, where there is a localized obstruction somewhere in the cigar. If you can poke through this plug, you might get a cigar to draw, but it's usually for a short time.

Frequently, the problem is a tight or twisted spot where the roller holds the leaves as he/she bunches the tobacco. This is usually pretty close to the location of the band. Again, if you can poke through this, it can fix a cigar, but it's usually a short lived fix. I have had better success using a 1/8" drill bit than my draw poker, as it actually removes tobacco, so the draw doesn't close back up after a few minutes.

All that said, like pmp, I usually pitch a stick that gives me any trouble.

theonlybear4CORT · 04-27-2009, 06:52 PM

I poke the cigar in the middle of the head,then push Groogs draw tool little by little rotating the cigar with out holding the tool and making sure that the draw tool is going in straight.

OLS · 04-28-2009, 08:10 AM

Eyeglasses screwdriver. Used 3 times this year, all within 2 inches of the head. Like the man said,
push gently until it suddenly breaks through and gets easier to push.

boom · 05-05-2009, 11:51 PM

You could use one of these...... Let me know if you need one....

05-06-2009, 06:27 AM

I've used very thin drill bits instead with great success. I've found that poking/ piercing them with thin rods etc can cause them to split as they're literally being pushed outwards. The drill spinning around inside (twisting it with my fingers) removes the actual tobacco instead of just pressing it aside. I do have to tap it to remove the dust though, but overall I find it better than piercing them.

wayner123 · 05-06-2009, 07:23 AM

I too have had much better success with a drill bit than a "draw tool" poker type.

Hey boom, can you mount a drill bit in one of those handles??

boom · 05-06-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wayner123

I too have had much better success with a drill bit than a "draw tool" poker type.

Hey boom, can you mount a drill bit in one of those handles??

Yes a drill bet can be used, but In my opinion you are all over thinking this , you only need to open up a small air hole. Being it may be a temp fix to save a stick. If you start to tear the inside up too much your defeating the purpose and clogging it up even more. Leaves are rolled parallel to the shape of the stick for a reason, to allow air to flow, start getting things perpendicular and clogs will result, or even "pop" goes the wrapper. I'll try and get pictures up later of the tip, it is shaped similar to a flat head screwdriver but has about a 45 degree angle across the cutting surface. It has teh action of cutting and pushing through. I know some prefer a reaming method, but it can cause more harm the good.

GoatLocker · 05-07-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by boom

In my opinion you are all over thinking this

If you read the posts above, people are speaking from personal, real world experience after trying both methods. Can't really call that "over thinking"...

boom · 05-07-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GoatLocker

If you read the posts above, people are speaking from personal, real world experience after trying both methods. Can't really call that "over thinking"...

I can agree with that.

05-07-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dentonparrots

I've used very thin drill bits instead with great success. I've found that poking/ piercing them with thin rods etc can cause them to split as they're literally being pushed outwards. The drill spinning around inside (twisting it with my fingers) removes the actual tobacco instead of just pressing it aside. I do have to tap it to remove the dust though, but overall I find it better than piercing them.

B&M where I hang has these. Picked them up at a gun show. They work great. Drills out a little tobacco and viola free draw. I have been looking for the same but my Henry tool works pretty good if I dont get to excited and punch through the side. I usually put tight sticks in a dry box for a while and try again later. Works about 50% of the time.

Homebrewer · 05-06-2009, 11:55 AM

I've saved a few cigars with the draw tool. Yesterday though, I pushed into a Tatuaje and heard a little pop. It cracked the wrapper down the side. I still smoked the cigar and it turned out fine but you've got to be careful with how far you go.

I would say try an inch at a time and test the draw.

04-27-2009, 10:21 AM	#1
BlackDog Gonna make you groove... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Warren Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,468 Trading: (19)	Draw Tools Question How do you guys recommend using draw tools? One punch all the way through the cigar? A little at a time and test the draw after each punch? Something other? Thanks! __________________ "We live in the good of this."

04-27-2009, 10:44 AM	#2
SmokeyJoe Chief Wannastogie Lounge Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joe Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 3,160 Trading: (28)	Re: Draw Tools Question Don't know what is the "right" way necessarily... However, while holding the cigar gently, but firmly, I put the Henry's down the center of the clipped head. I slowly work it down the length of the cigar until I feel it "free up" a bit - getting past whatever plug may have been causing the resistance. Used that technique twice this weekend and saved a nice cc and a quality nc. Hope it helps... __________________ "I intend to smoke a good cigar to the glory of God..." ~ Charles H. Spurgeon, British Baptist preacher

04-27-2009, 10:50 AM	#3
AD720 I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andrew Location: The City of BOTL-erly Love Posts: 2,684 Trading: (73)	Re: Draw Tools Question I've found that a lot of the time the "plug" is in the band area so I start slow and and go a little bit at a time. It helps to wiggle it a little. (thats what she said)

04-27-2009, 06:42 PM	#5
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Draw Tools Question Inevitably you will poke through the side a few times. But with practice you will get better at lining things up and getting it straight the first time. Lanceros are always a challenge.

04-27-2009, 10:56 AM	#6
pmp Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Draw Tools Question When I get a cigar that doesn't draw I usually just toss it. It sucks because I'm had many good cubans ruined because of tough draws. But realistically after trying different tricks for years with varying degrees of success I find that I just enjoy the experience so much less when I have to work toward getting it to smoke.

04-29-2009, 03:30 PM	#9
ca21455 Working on Reality Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: John Location: Backyard Posts: 393 Trading: (7)	Re: Draw Tools Question I prefer to use the holistic approach. Agree the plug is usually found around the band area. Sometimes it helps to gently roll the cigar between your fingers while applying pressure. This has a tendency to loosen up the leaves and allow better flow. That works a good deal of the time. If not then a good piercing as previously described will do the trick.

04-29-2009, 04:23 PM	#10
GoatLocker Dr of Quantum Inebrionics Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Eric Location: Sandy Eggo Posts: 434 Trading: (1)	Re: Draw Tools Question Trying to poke all the way through is risky unless you are smoking short fat cigars, but then, they don't typically have many draw issues... I'm not a big believer in draw tools, but I would only poke as far as needed, from the end closest to the problem. There really isn't any single solution for a cigar that won't give up the goods. Some are just rolled too tight, and can be helped to some degree by dry boxing. Some are plugged, where there is a localized obstruction somewhere in the cigar. If you can poke through this plug, you might get a cigar to draw, but it's usually for a short time. Frequently, the problem is a tight or twisted spot where the roller holds the leaves as he/she bunches the tobacco. This is usually pretty close to the location of the band. Again, if you can poke through this, it can fix a cigar, but it's usually a short lived fix. I have had better success using a 1/8" drill bit than my draw poker, as it actually removes tobacco, so the draw doesn't close back up after a few minutes. All that said, like pmp, I usually pitch a stick that gives me any trouble. __________________ "I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." Winston Churchill

04-27-2009, 06:52 PM	#11
theonlybear4CORT RIP Nick Montano Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Santa Rosa Posts: 2,040 Trading: (14)	Re: Draw Tools Question I poke the cigar in the middle of the head,then push Groogs draw tool little by little rotating the cigar with out holding the tool and making sure that the draw tool is going in straight.

04-28-2009, 08:10 AM	#12
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Draw Tools Question Eyeglasses screwdriver. Used 3 times this year, all within 2 inches of the head. Like the man said, push gently until it suddenly breaks through and gets easier to push.

05-05-2009, 11:51 PM	#13
boom Central Cali Cigar Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Troy Location: Cen Cal Posts: 1,659 Trading: (107)	Re: Draw Tools Question You could use one of these...... Let me know if you need one....

05-06-2009, 06:27 AM	#14
dentonparrots Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Draw Tools Question I've used very thin drill bits instead with great success. I've found that poking/ piercing them with thin rods etc can cause them to split as they're literally being pushed outwards. The drill spinning around inside (twisting it with my fingers) removes the actual tobacco instead of just pressing it aside. I do have to tap it to remove the dust though, but overall I find it better than piercing them.

05-06-2009, 07:23 AM	#15
wayner123 Country Gentleman Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Deltona, FL Posts: 2,351 Trading: (159)	Re: Draw Tools Question I too have had much better success with a drill bit than a "draw tool" poker type. Hey boom, can you mount a drill bit in one of those handles?? __________________ 'It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife; But every fool will be quarrelling.'

05-06-2009, 11:55 AM	#20
Homebrewer Love'm Tatuaje Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 158 Trading: (9)	Re: Draw Tools Question I've saved a few cigars with the draw tool. Yesterday though, I pushed into a Tatuaje and heard a little pop. It cracked the wrapper down the side. I still smoked the cigar and it turned out fine but you've got to be careful with how far you go. I would say try an inch at a time and test the draw.