The word HERF

WildBlueSooner · 03-23-2009, 06:22 PM

I was curious about this so I did a little research and this is the best explanation I found. Can anyone confirm this, or have you heard different explanations?

1)The term is a derivitive of several languages. To better understand the true meaning of the word one must realize that language is a changing thing; it moves about with various social structures, from land to land.

The Greek derivation is "erphos" from "eos", meaning 'skin'. This is further by a review of the Greek words "Terphos" and Sterphos." This is actually only the begining of the common, or present usage of the term.

An example of the way language travels, and is bastardized, is to be seen in the American Indian Language of Taino. In this language the use of the word "Hura" means wind. The proper pronunciation if akin to "Herf", actually *hurrof*.

Now, when you review the Greek's meanderings throughout the Ancient World, you will understand that they travelled to the British Isles. Any stury can tell you this. The Welsh word we would look to is "Herfeiddio", a verb which means to dare, to be brave, and to defy.

Further North and a bit Eastward we must review the Dutch word "Herfst" and the Anglo-Saxon derivitive "Haerfest". These words refer to the mnal season, or the end of summer.

The end of summer is when they harvested the tobacco leaves. See also, the Greek word "Apora", meaning 'end-of-summer'.

Brave souls (Herfeiddiols), would take the freshly harvestd leaves (Erphos=skin=tobacco leaves), at the harvest (Herfst/Haerfest), and smoke them. Somehow the word found it's way into America, pre-Columbus.

The Taino people, simple and naive as they were, took all the above meanings and rolled them into one, thus "Hura" meaning 'wind'.review of the lore of the Taino finds this word used as both a verb and a noun. As a noun it has the simple meaning of "wind", as we use it, today. As a verb, however, it means:"he-who-harvests-the-thin-tobacco-leaves-of-harvest-time-and-smokes- it."

Interesting stuff!

DPD6030 · 03-23-2009, 06:24 PM

Thanks for the info. James

03-23-2009, 06:29 PM

It's actually a contraction of "here for", as in "We're her'f smokin'."

FriskyDingo · 03-23-2009, 06:48 PM

Here is a popular origin of the word HERF:

"Herf” was first used by “Prince of Skeeves” on the newsgroup alt.smokers.cigars on November 21, 1996. On November 23rd, “Prince of Skeeves” explained: “To `herf’ is to draw on a cigar. It’s less vulgar than ‘suck’ and not as misleading as ‘toke’.”

On July 11, 1997, “Prince of Skeeves” further explained: “The first time I heard the word ‘herf’ and recognized it’s potential for the enrichment of my vocabulary was in junior college in Clyde, Texas in 1982 from a blueblood derelict friend of my named Stu. In the context of the time it was used to describe the ungainly and humorous facial contortion required to deeply draw on a large, hand- rolled cigarette of unknown filling while driving a motor vehicle and keeping an eye peeled for the Callahan County sheriff. Later I found the term ‘herf’ described nicely the method for getting a good mouthful of tasty smoke from my favorite cigars.”

A “herf” has also come to mean a “lively gathering of cigar-smoking comrades.” A “Herf-on-the Lake” was held April 26, 1997 at Jones Park on Lake Travis in Jonestown

Whether or not any of these definitions we find are true I do know the one below is DEFINITELY not the truth!

The term "Herf" used to describe the smoking of a cigar comes from the 1960's in America when many cigar smokers listened to Herf Alpert and the Tijuana Brass while smoking their favorite stogie. The music was latinesque and thus provided an atmosphere of semi-cuban reminiscence. Soon, cigar smokers began to say things like "I was with the Brass last night and the Herf was so good I thought I was in Havana." Thus, we can all thank Herf Alpert for his influence on 'garbonics.

I wonder if that's Herb's brother?

WildBlueSooner · 03-23-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

Here is a popular origin of the word HERF:

"Herf” was first used by “Prince of Skeeves” on the newsgroup alt.smokers.cigars on November 21, 1996. On November 23rd, “Prince of Skeeves” explained: “To `herf’ is to draw on a cigar. It’s less vulgar than ‘suck’ and not as misleading as ‘toke’.”

On July 11, 1997, “Prince of Skeeves” further explained: “The first time I heard the word ‘herf’ and recognized it’s potential for the enrichment of my vocabulary was in junior college in Clyde, Texas in 1982 from a blueblood derelict friend of my named Stu. In the context of the time it was used to describe the ungainly and humorous facial contortion required to deeply draw on a large, hand- rolled cigarette of unknown filling while driving a motor vehicle and keeping an eye peeled for the Callahan County sheriff. Later I found the term ‘herf’ described nicely the method for getting a good mouthful of tasty smoke from my favorite cigars.”

A “herf” has also come to mean a “lively gathering of cigar-smoking comrades.” A “Herf-on-the Lake” was held April 26, 1997 at Jones Park on Lake Travis in Jonestown

Whether or not any of these definitions we find are true I do know the one below is DEFINITELY not the truth!

The term "Herf" used to describe the smoking of a cigar comes from the 1960's in America when many cigar smokers listened to Herf Alpert and the Tijuana Brass while smoking their favorite stogie. The music was latinesque and thus provided an atmosphere of semi-cuban reminiscence. Soon, cigar smokers began to say things like "I was with the Brass last night and the Herf was so good I thought I was in Havana." Thus, we can all thank Herf Alpert for his influence on 'garbonics.

I wonder if that's Herb's brother?

I saw that one too! Too damn funny!

Sr Mike · 03-24-2009, 06:32 AM

I never thought about trying to pin point the orgin of the word. All that matters to me is that the herf happens and it is with good people.

MedicCook · 03-24-2009, 12:30 PM

Thanks for the reseach James.

mhailey · 04-02-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sr Mike

herf happens

I think I want to steal this for my signature line.

Matt

03-24-2009, 06:54 AM

Never cared for the term myself. Just one more way to be ostracized by non-cigar smokers when trying to communicate what you do.

03-24-2009, 07:18 AM

A herf is a herf, it's a word passed down through the ages. It was here before me and will be here after. All hail the FOGS!

WildBlueSooner · 03-24-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardcz

A herf is a herf, it's a word passed down through the ages. It was here before me and will be here after. All hail the FOGS!

Yeah I guess it is just the history buff coming out in me! Lots of things were here before me and I like to learn about as many of them as I can...especially things I am really interested in.

03-24-2009, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

Yeah I guess it is just the history buff coming out in me! Lots of things were here before me and I like to learn about as many of them as I can...especially things I am really interested in.

That's cool, I'm a history buff myself, only problem is I don't know much about history.

groogs · 03-24-2009, 02:43 PM

That is very interesting. I never thought much about the word HERF, but thanks for doing the research. Maybe I can explaing what herf means to my wife now.

poker · 04-02-2009, 11:02 AM

It originated from ASC from what I have always heard.

Reference: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg03631.html

Bruzee · 04-02-2009, 11:05 AM

Hummm... Very interesting. Thanks for the work.

goalie204 · 04-02-2009, 11:45 AM

fumada

04-02-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by goalie204

fumada

As for the word HERF, all I know is DBall hates it and that's reason enough to use it.

04-02-2009, 12:52 PM

Nice thread. I was actually wondering this myself. Thanks for the info guys!

Sr Mike · 04-02-2009, 03:22 PM

Matt, its all yours.

Just like S.H.I.T. it happens every Thursday.

Buckeye Jack · 04-02-2009, 07:54 PM

Yep, ASC. When I started patrolling ASC in 1997 it was already being used. I always thought Steve Saka started though.

03-23-2009, 06:22 PM	#1
WildBlueSooner I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: James Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 3,322 Trading: (19)	The word HERF I was curious about this so I did a little research and this is the best explanation I found. Can anyone confirm this, or have you heard different explanations? 1)The term is a derivitive of several languages. To better understand the true meaning of the word one must realize that language is a changing thing; it moves about with various social structures, from land to land. The Greek derivation is "erphos" from "eos", meaning 'skin'. This is further by a review of the Greek words "Terphos" and Sterphos." This is actually only the begining of the common, or present usage of the term. An example of the way language travels, and is bastardized, is to be seen in the American Indian Language of Taino. In this language the use of the word "Hura" means wind. The proper pronunciation if akin to "Herf", actually hurrof. Now, when you review the Greek's meanderings throughout the Ancient World, you will understand that they travelled to the British Isles. Any stury can tell you this. The Welsh word we would look to is "Herfeiddio", a verb which means to dare, to be brave, and to defy. Further North and a bit Eastward we must review the Dutch word "Herfst" and the Anglo-Saxon derivitive "Haerfest". These words refer to the mnal season, or the end of summer. The end of summer is when they harvested the tobacco leaves. See also, the Greek word "Apora", meaning 'end-of-summer'. Brave souls (Herfeiddiols), would take the freshly harvestd leaves (Erphos=skin=tobacco leaves), at the harvest (Herfst/Haerfest), and smoke them. Somehow the word found it's way into America, pre-Columbus. The Taino people, simple and naive as they were, took all the above meanings and rolled them into one, thus "Hura" meaning 'wind'.review of the lore of the Taino finds this word used as both a verb and a noun. As a noun it has the simple meaning of "wind", as we use it, today. As a verb, however, it means:"he-who-harvests-the-thin-tobacco-leaves-of-harvest-time-and-smokes- it." Interesting stuff! __________________ "To dilute the will to win is to destroy the purpose of the game. There is no substitute for victory"-- Douglas MacArthur

03-23-2009, 06:24 PM	#2
DPD6030 Shepard of the sheeple Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andrew Location: The Mitten Posts: 7,166 Trading: (151)	Re: The word HERF Thanks for the info. James

03-23-2009, 06:29 PM	#3
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The word HERF It's actually a contraction of "here for", as in "We're her'f smokin'."

03-23-2009, 06:48 PM	#4
FriskyDingo hoosierherfers.com Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Evan Location: Jeffersonville, IN Posts: 318 Trading: (16)	Re: The word HERF Here is a popular origin of the word HERF: "Herf” was first used by “Prince of Skeeves” on the newsgroup alt.smokers.cigars on November 21, 1996. On November 23rd, “Prince of Skeeves” explained: “To `herf’ is to draw on a cigar. It’s less vulgar than ‘suck’ and not as misleading as ‘toke’.” On July 11, 1997, “Prince of Skeeves” further explained: “The first time I heard the word ‘herf’ and recognized it’s potential for the enrichment of my vocabulary was in junior college in Clyde, Texas in 1982 from a blueblood derelict friend of my named Stu. In the context of the time it was used to describe the ungainly and humorous facial contortion required to deeply draw on a large, hand- rolled cigarette of unknown filling while driving a motor vehicle and keeping an eye peeled for the Callahan County sheriff. Later I found the term ‘herf’ described nicely the method for getting a good mouthful of tasty smoke from my favorite cigars.” A “herf” has also come to mean a “lively gathering of cigar-smoking comrades.” A “Herf-on-the Lake” was held April 26, 1997 at Jones Park on Lake Travis in Jonestown Whether or not any of these definitions we find are true I do know the one below is DEFINITELY not the truth! The term "Herf" used to describe the smoking of a cigar comes from the 1960's in America when many cigar smokers listened to Herf Alpert and the Tijuana Brass while smoking their favorite stogie. The music was latinesque and thus provided an atmosphere of semi-cuban reminiscence. Soon, cigar smokers began to say things like "I was with the Brass last night and the Herf was so good I thought I was in Havana." Thus, we can all thank Herf Alpert for his influence on 'garbonics. I wonder if that's Herb's brother? __________________ -= http://www.hoosierherfers.com =-

03-24-2009, 06:32 AM	#6
Sr Mike As Is Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: EBFE Posts: 657 Trading: (6)	Re: The word HERF I never thought about trying to pin point the orgin of the word. All that matters to me is that the herf happens and it is with good people.

03-24-2009, 12:30 PM	#7
MedicCook Mila smoked my cigar Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: Schaghticoke, NY Posts: 10,946 Trading: (7)	Re: The word HERF Thanks for the reseach James.

03-24-2009, 06:54 AM	#9
Java Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The word HERF Never cared for the term myself. Just one more way to be ostracized by non-cigar smokers when trying to communicate what you do.

03-24-2009, 07:18 AM	#10
Hardcz Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The word HERF A herf is a herf, it's a word passed down through the ages. It was here before me and will be here after. All hail the FOGS!

03-24-2009, 02:43 PM	#13
groogs Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Grant Posts: 1,945 Trading: (62)	Re: The word HERF That is very interesting. I never thought much about the word HERF, but thanks for doing the research. Maybe I can explaing what herf means to my wife now.

04-02-2009, 11:02 AM	#14
poker 1:11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kelly Location: SoCal Posts: 5,280 Trading: (7)	Re: The word HERF It originated from ASC from what I have always heard. Reference: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg03631.html __________________ Cigar Asylum: A cigar board birthed without agendas, without profiting, and without advertisements. Amor puro Character is what you do when no one is watching Last edited by poker; 04-02-2009 at 11:14 AM.

04-02-2009, 11:05 AM	#15
Bruzee Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: D Location: San Diego Posts: 1,508 Trading: (30)	Re: The word HERF Hummm... Very interesting. Thanks for the work. __________________

04-02-2009, 11:45 AM	#16
goalie204 Have My Own Room Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Myles Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,659 Trading: (12)	Re: The word HERF fumada

04-02-2009, 12:52 PM	#18
shortstory5 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The word HERF Nice thread. I was actually wondering this myself. Thanks for the info guys!

04-02-2009, 03:22 PM	#19
Sr Mike As Is Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: EBFE Posts: 657 Trading: (6)	Re: The word HERF Matt, its all yours. Just like S.H.I.T. it happens every Thursday.

04-02-2009, 07:54 PM	#20
Buckeye Jack Havana Daydreamin' Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jack Location: Dublin, OH (Columbus) Posts: 732 Trading: (34)	Re: The word HERF Yep, ASC. When I started patrolling ASC in 1997 it was already being used. I always thought Steve Saka started though.