Can't we all just get along?!?!?

[bvilchez]

It took me a while to cool down and figure out how I was going to do this or even if I WAS going to do it. I learned one time never to type an e-mail or message and hit SEND while angry. So I refrained from it here and now that I've calmed down I commence.

I have tried doing some GB here on CA when I see an opportunity for all of us. I have worked with vendors on trying to get group pricing on certain products so that we may all be fortunate enough to purchase an item that at one time we might have considered too expensive now is within somewhat of reach.

Lately people have been contacting the manufacturer/distributor/vendor directly and complaining about the GB taking place. I do not know who nor do I suspect anyone. I would like everyone to be aware that by contacting them and complaining about pricing, competition, or whatever it may be, you are jeopardizing the benefits of all the members aboard CA who would like to take advantage of the opportunity.

I'm trying to keep this short and I consider us all to be ladies and gentlemen on here so I would respect the fact if so if anyone has any issues or concerns with any future GB, I'm thinking of doing a Blazer GB, please feel free to drop me a PM and address it with me personally before addressing it outside the board.

Thanks in advance

[icehog3]

I think sometimes it is retailers who can't/won't meet or beat the GB price, Jay. They fear you cutting into their profits. I have seen it at Poof more than once.

[poker]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I think sometimes it is retailers who can't/won't meet or beat the GB price, Jay. They fear you cutting into their profits. I have seen it at Poof more than once.

Agreed. I would think chances are its a retailer member here who is calling the manufacturer/distributor/vendor, rather than participating GB members.

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Tom/Mods, is there a way the retailers wouldn't be able to see group buy threads? Just throwing it out there.

Not that Im aware of, but we'll check into that possibility

[croatan]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I think sometimes it is retailers who can't/won't meet or beat the GB price, Jay. They fear you cutting into their profits. I have seen it at Poof more than once.

Yep. When this happens, if we've ever found anything out about the source, it's invariably been a retailer (or someone acting on a retailer's behalf).

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by croatan

Yep. When this happens, if we've ever found anything out about the source, it's invariably been a retailer (or someone acting on a retailer's behalf).

That's incredibly lame if it's a B&M, because most of the GB participants are probably in other states (or countries), and wouldn't buy from them anyway.
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[rizzle]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I think sometimes it is retailers who can't/won't meet or beat the GB price, Jay. They fear you cutting into their profits. I have seen it at Poof more than once.

My thoughts exactly.

And I know retailers make their money by retailing, but good lord, can't you let some brothers work a deal on their own without getting all pissy. If it's that big of a deal to you as to complain to the manufacturer, you know there is enough interest out there to do this, try doing it on your own and helping the community instead of trying to make the most dollar on every sale. Sometimes volume is gonna beat margin. Just my Whoever you are, you're lame.

And as someone who participated in your last go round, Jay, I appreciate your efforts and thanks again for doing that for us.

[SNKBYT]

same thing happened to a member from CS when he did a GB for a 100ct Humi....someone informed the manufacturer that he was sealing at cost and the vendor dropped his account.........GB are a good thing, especially when its an item you'd buy at full price (but times are tuff) if you had the spare funds

[NCRadioMan]

That is sickening! I would only think it would be a competitor that complains becuase people in the group buys are usually very happy.

Tom/Mods, is there a way the retailers wouldn't be able to see group buy threads? Just throwing it out there.

[captain53]

First of all - no issue here with your posting. I am a free market guy for sure.

There are a lot of B&M owners that read this and many other similar Forums and don't think for a second that some of them don't complain when being undersold.

[Isom-niac2]

I would have to agree with the previous comment regarding how satisfied people usually are with GBs. Generally it's something we need or want at a better price point than we can usually get individually. Though I haven't been part of one you have put together, I have participated in a few on other boards and value the opportunity.

I would also tend to think it's competitors, because why else would someone complain about getting something at a better price? I do appreciate your efforts Jay!

[loki]

some people aren't happy unless they're *****ing about something and ruining the fun for the rest of the people. Oh if anyone who did this is reading this....**** you

[hotreds]

Sad to read this, Jay!

[poker]

Originally Posted by loki

some people aren't happy unless they're *****ing about something and ruining the fun for the rest of the people. Oh if anyone who did this is reading this....**** you

Although I understand, I dont think they're just whining or trying to ruin it for anyone. I tend to think it has more to do with them trying to conduct a business, and sometimes these group buys allow the organizer to sell something at a lower price point than the retailer can justify doing.

[loki]

Originally Posted by poker

Although I understand, I dont think they're just whining or trying to ruin it for anyone. I tend to think it has more to do with them trying to conduct a business, and sometimes these group buys allow the organizer to sell something at a lower price point than the retailer can justify doing.

which is the point of the group buy in the first place. The GB price isn't permanent, they almost always have an end date and have limited numbers to them. A retailer needs to shut up, suck it up and move on with life for a few weeks till the buy ends.

[poker]

Originally Posted by loki

which is the point of the group buy in the first place. The GB price isn't permanent, they almost always have an end date and have limited numbers to them. A retailer needs to shut up, suck it up and move on with life for a few weeks till the buy ends.

Trust me, I understand completely.

(it was a longer post 3 different times but I figured it would be better just to keep it simple)

[markem]

Originally Posted by poker

Although I understand, I dont think they're just whining or trying to ruin it for anyone. I tend to think it has more to do with them trying to conduct a business, and sometimes these group buys allow the organizer to sell something at a lower price point than the retailer can justify doing.

That may be true, but calling the vendor and complaining about a specific group buy really does seem like they are either trying to subvert the group buy (and possibly generate some business for themselves) or trying to use the GB as leverage to get a better price from the vendor. Shady dealings from anyone who hopes to foster good will at CA.

[bvilchez]

Remember everyone one can not say it is FOR SURE a vendor or retailer. For all we know it could have been a lurker who has never created an account and is seen as GUEST.

BTW I personally don't think it should get to the point where vendors/retailers can not see GB threads. I think it fosters a sense of competiveness and that's a part of business. But I'm not a Mod and they make the final decision on all matters in the Nuthouse.

Originally Posted by poker

Although I understand, I dont think they're just whining or trying to ruin it for anyone. I tend to think it has more to do with them trying to conduct a business, and sometimes these group buys allow the organizer to sell something at a lower price point than the retailer can justify doing.

I can understand trying to conduct a business...I really do. But if you really want to move merchandise and want to get your name out there why not start by doing a GB. It moves merchandise out of your inventory, it produces some revenue(maybe not what expected but more than it did sitting in inventory) and you start being recognized in the community AS LONG AS no shady business is pulled.

Originally Posted by loki

which is the point of the group buy in the first place. The GB price isn't permanent, they almost always have an end date and have limited numbers to them. A retailer needs to shut up, suck it up and move on with life for a few weeks till the buy ends.

Or they can set up a GB and be the total opposite of whining or complaining.

Originally Posted by hscmit

sorry to hear this happened
hope your group buy will be able to continue and those involved can still get a good deal

thank you for your work on behalf of the forum to organize and negotiate these past, present, and future

Thanks but this isn't going to stop me from doing a GB when possible for the BOTL and SOTL on here. I'm planning some other ones as well.

Originally Posted by markem

Shady dealings from anyone who hopes to foster good will at CA.

I agree with you 100%.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by bvilchez

Remember everyone one can not say it is FOR SURE a vendor or retailer. For all we know it could have been a lurker who has never created an account and is seen as GUEST.

Can the guest account even see the cigars in motion section or the GB sub-forum?

Aren't those restricted to active members which have been granted access? Or is that just the WTS & WTB sub-forums? (ToE question there)

[hscmit]

sorry to hear this happened
hope your group buy will be able to continue and those involved can still get a good deal

thank you for your work on behalf of the forum to organize and negotiate these past, present, and future

[kelmac07]

Sorry to hear this happened Jay.