Real Cuban?

08-09-2012, 02:45 PM

I got this cigar about a year ago and I wanted to know if it was real?

If anyone knows about Cuban counterfeits, please help me out.

markem · 08-09-2012, 02:48 PM

best place to start is here: http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/bra...x?brand=Cohiba

lenguamor · 08-09-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by markem

best place to start is here: http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/bra...x?brand=Cohiba

This.

JenksAnejo · 08-09-2012, 02:49 PM

Where did you get it? What does the box look like? Have you smoked Cubans before? How much did you pay for it?

It's pretty hard to tell just from posting a picture of the band.

08-09-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JenksAnejo

Where did you get it? What does the box look like? Have you smoked Cubans before? How much did you pay for it?

It's pretty hard to tell just from posting a picture of the band.

I got it from one of the guys at my local cigar lounge. I only bought two of them so i dont know how the box looks like, and I payed $50 for both of them.

md4958 · 08-09-2012, 03:00 PM

photos of the entire cigar, the head , the foot included is a good place to start if you want help.

however, it may be inconclusive unless there are blaring problems. You would have to smoke it to be sure.

Blak Smyth · 08-09-2012, 03:02 PM

I have seen some that appeared to be fake, obvious warning signs. Your's do not have the same warning signs, doesn't mean much though. Listen to Mark and compare info at Cubancigarwebsite!!!

AlohaStyle · 08-09-2012, 03:05 PM

If that's all the band has on it, then definitely fake. Here is a picture of the real band. There are pretty decent fake bands out there too... pretty hard to tell from your pictures.

08-09-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AlohaStyle

If that's all the band has on it, then definitely fake. Here is a picture of the real band. There are pretty decent fake bands out there too... pretty hard to tell from your pictures.

It has everything that the real one has. If I had more pictures, it would much easier! Im going try getting another one so I can get a better pictures of it. Thanks everyone for your help!

icehog3 · 08-09-2012, 03:11 PM

Are they 52s, 54s 0r 56s? $25 each is a pretty low price for legit Behikes, especially the bigger the RG.

08-09-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Are they 52s, 54s 0r 56s? $25 each is a pretty low price for legit Behikes, especially the bigger the RG.

I also don't know the size. I think it was a 52 but it was almost a year ago.

cmitch · 08-09-2012, 03:58 PM

From a printer's standpoint, the bands look legit compared to the sample posted. Generally, counterfeiters do not get it even close to right when it comes to spacing between the design elements. I pulled your pic and enhanced it the best I could and I can clearly see the hologram is comparable. The hologram is applied through a separate operation from the gold foil. The kind of foil stamping done on these bands is the embossing. It is a much more difficult procedure than standard spot and stamp since a male and female die is involved. Plus, even the best foil stamping mis-registers somewhat. This is my opinion and even I can't be 100% unless I see the actual sticks. But, I don't see any red flags.

Cigar counterfeiters aren't really worried about trying to fool guys like us and are not going to expend the resources when there's plenty of suckers willing to buy their so-so goods at astronomical prices. So, their work is usually atrocious and you're probably not going to see better specimens unless they're counterfeits of the most expensive sticks.

08-09-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cmitch

From a printer's standpoint, the bands look legit compared to the sample posted. Generally, counterfeiters do not get it even close to right when it comes to spacing between the design elements. I pulled your pic and enhanced it the best I could and I can clearly see the hologram is comparable. The hologram is applied through a separate operation from the gold foil. The kind of foil stamping done on these bands is the embossing. It is a much more difficult procedure than standard spot and stamp since a male and female die is involved. Plus, even the best foil stamping mis-registers somewhat. This is my opinion and even I can't be 100% unless I see the actual sticks. But, I don't see any red flags.

Cigar counterfeiters aren't really worried about trying to fool guys like us and are not going to expend the resources when there's plenty of suckers willing to buy their so-so goods at astronomical prices. So, their work is usually atrocious and you're probably not going to see better specimens unless they're counterfeits of the most expensive sticks.

Yes when I bought it from him he pointed out that the hologram is a way to know that it's legit. I also compared it to real and fake pictures online and it resembled the real one more. I'm going to ask him if he would sell me another one and I will post better pictures. If you don't mind can I message a few of the pictures to you? It seems to me you know a lot

pnoon · 08-09-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Xgsdremix

Yes when I bought it from him he pointed out that the hologram is a way to know that it's legit. I also compared it to real and fake pictures online and it resembled the real one more. I'm going to ask him if he would sell me another one and I will post better pictures. If you don't mind can I message a few of the pictures to you? It seems to me you know a lot

Why buy cigars you suspect to be fake? Even if only to get confirmation.
Provenance and a trusted source is paramount and it seems you have neither here.

Chalk it up to experience and move on.

08-09-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Why buy cigars you suspect to be fake? Even if only to get confirmation.
Provenance and a trusted source is paramount and it seems you have neither here.

Chalk it up to experience and move on.

True you have a good point. It's also very expensive

cmitch · 08-09-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Xgsdremix

Yes when I bought it from him he pointed out that the hologram is a way to know that it's legit. I also compared it to real and fake pictures online and it resembled the real one more. I'm going to ask him if he would sell me another one and I will post better pictures. If you don't mind can I message a few of the pictures to you? It seems to me you know a lot

I know about the printing and production process. Not as much about the fake/real argument since I have smoked very few Cubans. 99% of the fakes are quite obvious. Misaligned bands, extremely misregistered print, bold print when it should be fine, etc.

The one thing I'm going on is the sample band Alohastyle posted. If his band is real, then I'm 98% sure yours is. Of course, nothing to stop someone from smoking a real Cuban, removing the band and putting it on a similar stick. That's where the trust pnoon is talking about comes from.

icehog3 · 08-09-2012, 03:36 PM

Which size is it?

icehog3 · 08-09-2012, 03:39 PM

So you already smoked it a year ago?

08-09-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

So you already smoked it a year ago?

Yea I smoked it almost a year ago. If its real I want to pick up more, I just dont want to waste money on fakes.

Blak Smyth · 08-09-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Xgsdremix

Yea I smoked it almost a year ago. If its real I want to pick up more, I just dont want to waste money on fakes.

Well if you already smoked it, did you enjoy it?
Was it worth the price payed?
If you answered yes to both of those questions, then buy more!

08-09-2012, 02:48 PM	#2
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JenksAnejo Thunder Up Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Jarrod Location: Thunder Country Posts: 1,332 Trading: (51)	Re: Real Cuban? Where did you get it? What does the box look like? Have you smoked Cubans before? How much did you pay for it? It's pretty hard to tell just from posting a picture of the band.

08-09-2012, 03:00 PM	#6
md4958 Captain Cannoli Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moe Location: Suffield, CT Posts: 5,712 Trading: (62)	Re: Real Cuban? photos of the entire cigar, the head , the foot included is a good place to start if you want help. however, it may be inconclusive unless there are blaring problems. You would have to smoke it to be sure. __________________ "One fart can foul the air for everyone" - Esteemed philosopher "If avoiding the nasty $hit is being a snob, them I am guilty as charged."- Same esteemed philosopher.

08-09-2012, 03:02 PM	#7
Blak Smyth Think Blue! Join Date: Jun 2011 First Name: SD Location: THE WOOD Posts: 8,486 Trading: (52)	Re: Real Cuban? I have seen some that appeared to be fake, obvious warning signs. Your's do not have the same warning signs, doesn't mean much though. Listen to Mark and compare info at Cubancigarwebsite!!! __________________ SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

08-09-2012, 03:05 PM	#8
AlohaStyle Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: WA Posts: 1,168 Trading: (40)	Re: Real Cuban? If that's all the band has on it, then definitely fake. Here is a picture of the real band. There are pretty decent fake bands out there too... pretty hard to tell from your pictures.

08-09-2012, 03:11 PM	#10
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,308 Trading: (60)	Re: Real Cuban? Are they 52s, 54s 0r 56s? $25 each is a pretty low price for legit Behikes, especially the bigger the RG. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

08-09-2012, 03:58 PM	#12
cmitch Heads up get down Join Date: Oct 2010 First Name: Clayton Location: NW Alabama by the river Posts: 2,720 Trading: (25)	Re: Real Cuban? From a printer's standpoint, the bands look legit compared to the sample posted. Generally, counterfeiters do not get it even close to right when it comes to spacing between the design elements. I pulled your pic and enhanced it the best I could and I can clearly see the hologram is comparable. The hologram is applied through a separate operation from the gold foil. The kind of foil stamping done on these bands is the embossing. It is a much more difficult procedure than standard spot and stamp since a male and female die is involved. Plus, even the best foil stamping mis-registers somewhat. This is my opinion and even I can't be 100% unless I see the actual sticks. But, I don't see any red flags. Cigar counterfeiters aren't really worried about trying to fool guys like us and are not going to expend the resources when there's plenty of suckers willing to buy their so-so goods at astronomical prices. So, their work is usually atrocious and you're probably not going to see better specimens unless they're counterfeits of the most expensive sticks. __________________ No matter what one's status is in society, cigars are the great equalizer where the affluent and common share a love for the leaf. - Me.

08-09-2012, 03:36 PM	#17
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,308 Trading: (60)	Re: Real Cuban? Which size is it? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

08-09-2012, 03:39 PM	#18
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,308 Trading: (60)	Re: Real Cuban? So you already smoked it a year ago? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!