No smoking on college campus?- Any place else?

Dukeuni · 08-28-2012, 05:28 PM

I am a alumni of Oregon State University. I was on a sports board today and found out that the ENTIRE Oregon State Campus has outlawed smoking of any kind. There is NO "smoking areas" for employees or staff. They have even outlawed smoking in your own vehicle (windows up and everything).

I had not heard about this being done before. I know there has been limitations on smoking within a certain distance from windows and building entrances, but I never heard of a complete, 100% ban on smoking on the entire campus.

This new rule really bothers me. There is nothing I like to do more when I visit the campus then light up a nice cigar and walk around campus to see the changes and remember my time at OSU.

I will continue to light up a cigar, but now I will always be looking out for "campus security" and I am sure some yuppy student will decide they need to "educate" me on the negative effects of smoking and that it is outlawed on campus.

http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/life...arting-sept-1/

hotreds · 08-28-2012, 06:10 PM

Don't see how they can stop you from smoking in your vehicle.

St. Lou Stu · 08-28-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hotreds

Don't see how they can stop you from smoking in your vehicle.

The entire University of Missouri system went smoke free including in your own personal vehicle unless the windows are up and no smoke is allowed to escape.

Campus police actually sit in the parking lot and look for offenders.

markem · 08-28-2012, 08:29 PM

Most campuses have private roads. As such, they can enforce their policies even on the roadway. Smokers have the ability to drive on other roads, etc. to not violate the policy. It has been upheld in state and federal courts.

I happen not to agree with the policy, since it is extreme and putative. But they never asked my opinion when they did it. One more example of schools being forced to play mommy and daddy instead of focusing on education.

Smooth23 · 08-29-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

The entire University of Missouri system went smoke free including in your own personal vehicle unless the windows are up and no smoke is allowed to escape.

Campus police actually sit in the parking lot and look for offenders.

Hey, I'm at Missouri S&T, (formerly UM-Rolla), we've got a smoking ban, as well as a city wide no smoking in bars, etc.. I can say the ban on campus seems to be universally ignored. The campus pd and security are far too busy writing parking tickets.

St. Lou Stu · 08-29-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth23

Hey, I'm at Missouri S&T, (formerly UM-Rolla), we've got a smoking ban, as well as a city wide no smoking in bars, etc.. I can say the ban on campus seems to be universally ignored. The campus pd and security are far too busy writing parking tickets.

lol... I'm at UMSL now for my second degree and they spend alot of time on parking and smoking infractions... murder and robbery require FAR too much paperwork!

Good luck at S&T, we hire quite a few people from there. Check out Hunter Engineering during career days! Great school!

cjhalbrooks · 08-28-2012, 06:12 PM

Whats next, this band bullshat is fukcing nuts. Why dosent all these law makers work on "cleaning the air" by really pushing cleaner cars. i mean the US has so many problems like i dont know the FED budget. Last i check that is a really big problem. Can't they just leave us alone. Go chase some hackers or something.

Sorry bad day... and i hate this stuff. CUBA here i come

Dukeuni · 08-28-2012, 06:13 PM

I thought that part was really surprising:

Q&A from the website:

Q: Can I smoke in my personal vehicle on campus?
A: No. The policy prohibits smoking within personal vehicles anywhere within the campus boundaries.

Also another interesting answer:

Q: Is a smoke-free policy a violation of civil and Constitutional rights?
A: No, there is no Constitutional "right" to smoke or use tobacco. Tobacco users are not a category protected under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, nor is tobacco use a protected liberty right under the Due Process clause of the Constitution.

Basically, it is the University saying: "You are not smart enough to stop smoking, so we need to force you to stop....."

Subvet642 · 08-29-2012, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dukeuni

I thought that part was really surprising:

Q&A from the website:

Q: Can I smoke in my personal vehicle on campus?
A: No. The policy prohibits smoking within personal vehicles anywhere within the campus boundaries.

Also another interesting answer:

Q: Is a smoke-free policy a violation of civil and Constitutional rights?
A: No, there is no Constitutional "right" to smoke or use tobacco. Tobacco users are not a category protected under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, nor is tobacco use a protected liberty right under the Due Process clause of the Constitution.

Basically, it is the University saying: "You are not smart enough to stop smoking, so we need to force you to stop....."

Article [IX]

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

This^

hotreds · 08-28-2012, 06:17 PM

Tell them you and a bunch of other alums will no longer give any money to them. Would be great if you could get some really big donor to do the same. Money talks, BS walks!

cjhalbrooks · 08-28-2012, 06:19 PM

ask if they can dip

DaBear · 08-28-2012, 06:23 PM

Not outlawed here at NC State yet, but they're working on it. I typically have a stick a day on campus nowadays and have never once had a complaint. Just have some common sense with it. I never exhale when walking by people, and never puff when in an enclosed space(we have a number of tunnels on campus).

replicant_argent · 08-28-2012, 06:28 PM

I think it is amusing they also "prohibit" those electronic cigarettes. I would LOVE to hear their reason for that.
I would also like to know what the consequences for breaking their silly little rule if you are not a student or faculty.
Double Secret Probation?

jjirons69 · 08-28-2012, 07:17 PM

Crazy days indeed! College stressed me to the point of needing to smoke to take a well-deserved break. Smoking the crazy weed wasn't allowed on campus either, but we somehow got our fill of it. I'm sure if push-come-to-shove I could find a way to have a relaxing smoke if I so desired, also. Wait until they outlaw booze.

Subvet642 · 08-29-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jjirons69

...Wait until they outlaw booze.

They tried that; all we got was a bunch of classic gangster movies.

Subvet642 · 08-29-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent

I would also like to know what the consequences for breaking their silly little rule if you are not a student or faculty.
Double Secret Probation?

They can issue a trespass warning, escort you off campus and arrest you if you ever return.
We have the same rule at the hospital where I work.

Hem · 08-28-2012, 07:13 PM

What about tailgating????? That's all that really matters!

floydpink · 08-28-2012, 07:19 PM

Many hotel chains have gone smoke free and even fine $250 if you are caught smoking on the balcony. I know this from first hand experience

It was a long time ago I was in college but it was rare that there wasn't something being smoked in the dorms back then

CigarNut · 08-28-2012, 07:24 PM

My son it at the University of Oregon and they have the same rule (it is a rule rather than a law, but then they govern absolutely within the campus).

I used to walk around the campus with a cigar. Now I visit less. It will be interesting to see how this new rule goes at the football games...

TJtorpedo · 08-28-2012, 07:52 PM

When I was in college in Florida you could smoke right in your dorm room. In fact as an incoming freshman, you had to note your smoking preference so you wouldn't get roomed with a smoker if you didn't smoke (cigarettes that is). Of course, all the kids lied because they didn't want their parents to know they smoked, so basically everyone got stuck with a cigarette smoking roomie. That's when I started smoking cigars and gassed them out by smoking Garcia y Vegas non-stop.

08-28-2012, 05:28 PM	#1
Dukeuni RIP CS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fields of rolling wheat Posts: 509 Trading: (32)	No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? I am a alumni of Oregon State University. I was on a sports board today and found out that the ENTIRE Oregon State Campus has outlawed smoking of any kind. There is NO "smoking areas" for employees or staff. They have even outlawed smoking in your own vehicle (windows up and everything). I had not heard about this being done before. I know there has been limitations on smoking within a certain distance from windows and building entrances, but I never heard of a complete, 100% ban on smoking on the entire campus. This new rule really bothers me. There is nothing I like to do more when I visit the campus then light up a nice cigar and walk around campus to see the changes and remember my time at OSU. I will continue to light up a cigar, but now I will always be looking out for "campus security" and I am sure some yuppy student will decide they need to "educate" me on the negative effects of smoking and that it is outlawed on campus. http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/life...arting-sept-1/

08-28-2012, 06:10 PM	#2
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,662 Trading: (63)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Don't see how they can stop you from smoking in your vehicle. __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

08-28-2012, 08:29 PM	#4
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,622 Trading: (47)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Most campuses have private roads. As such, they can enforce their policies even on the roadway. Smokers have the ability to drive on other roads, etc. to not violate the policy. It has been upheld in state and federal courts. I happen not to agree with the policy, since it is extreme and putative. But they never asked my opinion when they did it. One more example of schools being forced to play mommy and daddy instead of focusing on education. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

08-28-2012, 06:12 PM	#7
cjhalbrooks I am behind you. SHHHHH Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Cory Location: Under a Bridge, trying to find the troll who stole my soul. Posts: 1,370 Trading: (20)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Whats next, this band bullshat is fukcing nuts. Why dosent all these law makers work on "cleaning the air" by really pushing cleaner cars. i mean the US has so many problems like i dont know the FED budget. Last i check that is a really big problem. Can't they just leave us alone. Go chase some hackers or something. Sorry bad day... and i hate this stuff. CUBA here i come __________________ GMCGTPWHAF Tennessee Chapter. Down with the bloody BIG HEAD

08-28-2012, 06:13 PM	#8
Dukeuni RIP CS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fields of rolling wheat Posts: 509 Trading: (32)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? I thought that part was really surprising: Q&A from the website: Q: Can I smoke in my personal vehicle on campus? A: No. The policy prohibits smoking within personal vehicles anywhere within the campus boundaries. Also another interesting answer: Q: Is a smoke-free policy a violation of civil and Constitutional rights? A: No, there is no Constitutional "right" to smoke or use tobacco. Tobacco users are not a category protected under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, nor is tobacco use a protected liberty right under the Due Process clause of the Constitution. Basically, it is the University saying: "You are not smart enough to stop smoking, so we need to force you to stop....."

08-28-2012, 06:17 PM	#10
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,662 Trading: (63)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Tell them you and a bunch of other alums will no longer give any money to them. Would be great if you could get some really big donor to do the same. Money talks, BS walks! __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

08-28-2012, 06:19 PM	#11
cjhalbrooks I am behind you. SHHHHH Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Cory Location: Under a Bridge, trying to find the troll who stole my soul. Posts: 1,370 Trading: (20)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? ask if they can dip __________________ GMCGTPWHAF Tennessee Chapter. Down with the bloody BIG HEAD

08-28-2012, 06:23 PM	#12
DaBear Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Bear Location: Raleigh, NC(NC State) Posts: 2,010 Trading: (26)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Not outlawed here at NC State yet, but they're working on it. I typically have a stick a day on campus nowadays and have never once had a complaint. Just have some common sense with it. I never exhale when walking by people, and never puff when in an enclosed space(we have a number of tunnels on campus).

08-28-2012, 06:28 PM	#13
replicant_argent Gravy Boat Winnah. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: my attorney has advised against giving this information to insane people Posts: 5,326 Trading: (22)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? I think it is amusing they also "prohibit" those electronic cigarettes. I would LOVE to hear their reason for that. I would also like to know what the consequences for breaking their silly little rule if you are not a student or faculty. Double Secret Probation? __________________ www.stogietorch.com Some days call for a stiff Pomade.

08-28-2012, 07:17 PM	#14
jjirons69 Haberdasher Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jamie Location: Chucktown, SC Posts: 4,120 Trading: (94)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? Crazy days indeed! College stressed me to the point of needing to smoke to take a well-deserved break. Smoking the crazy weed wasn't allowed on campus either, but we somehow got our fill of it. I'm sure if push-come-to-shove I could find a way to have a relaxing smoke if I so desired, also. Wait until they outlaw booze. __________________ Somebody has to go back and get a chitload of dimes

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TJtorpedo Feeling at Home Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Tim Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 600 Trading: (4)	Re: No smoking on college campus?- Any place else? When I was in college in Florida you could smoke right in your dorm room. In fact as an incoming freshman, you had to note your smoking preference so you wouldn't get roomed with a smoker if you didn't smoke (cigarettes that is). Of course, all the kids lied because they didn't want their parents to know they smoked, so basically everyone got stuck with a cigarette smoking roomie. That's when I started smoking cigars and gassed them out by smoking Garcia y Vegas non-stop. __________________