Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK!

Doctorossi · 10-04-2010, 11:27 AM

I just had a first-hand encounter with the "new" pricing in Canada (hadn't been in a couple years). Yeesh. For those who don't know, what used to be essentially at parity with most European retail is now 2-3 times that, across the board.

to all my Canadian brothers and sisters. I don't envy your sad situation. That's some silly, ridiculous bucks they want, to get your lips on just about anything. I saw some pretty HTF disco'd stuff on the shelves, but I understood why and I left them there, as well. Walked away empty-handed, full-walleted and broken-hearted.

DMK · 10-04-2010, 01:27 PM

That is why I can't support my local B & M anymore.... that and our stupid display laws in Ontario....

NCRadioMan · 10-04-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DMK

our stupid display laws in Ontario....

Those will be showing up soon down here, too.

rizzle · 10-04-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Those will be showing up soon down here, too.

Say wha? What's the dealio, Greg?

Goldie · 10-04-2010, 01:32 PM

I am not familiar with "display laws" could someone be so kind as to enlighten a nooblet?

And I remember another BOTL from Canada posting just yesterday that some of the high end CC's were running in the $40 range.......

fook me. My condolences boys.

neoflex · 10-04-2010, 01:45 PM

I could be wrong but I think I remember hearing grumblings of this somewhere. It's when you can't physically view the cigars but have to look at pictures in a catalog and choose what you want and than the person working there will get them for you. Please correct me if I am wrong.

stewshi · 10-04-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by neoflex

I could be wrong but I think I remember hearing grumblings of this somewhere. It's when you can't physically view the cigars but have to look at pictures in a catalog and choose what you want and than the person working there will get them for you. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Maybe im not as smart as the law makers but whats the point of this?

357 · 10-04-2010, 02:15 PM

The display law is reducilous. They can't even have cigarette packs visible at gas stations & such. There are plastic flaps covering the cartons they sell out of.

The first time I noticed it I asked and the clerk said "They call it going dark." I responded "Where I'm from they call it going commie". He didn't laugh. I thought it was funny.

Edited to mention all cigar displays and signs referring to tobacco sales are not allowed to be displayed outside the store unless somehow grandfathered in such as cigar or tobacco being part of the name of the business.

nick2021 · 10-05-2010, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 357

The display law is reducilous. They can't even have cigarette packs visible at gas stations & such. There are plastic flaps covering the cartons they sell out of.

The first time I noticed it I asked and the clerk said "They call it going dark." I responded "Where I'm from they call it going commie". He didn't laugh. I thought it was funny.

Edited to mention all cigar displays and signs referring to tobacco sales are not allowed to be displayed outside the store unless somehow grandfathered in such as cigar or tobacco being part of the name of the business.

Wow, that does suck...it's amazing how different laws are created/implemented in different countries...definitely feel for'ya!

Goldie · 10-04-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stewshi

Maybe im not as smart as the law makers but whats the point of this?

I think in lots of cases that statement should be flipped around.

neoflex · 10-04-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stewshi

Maybe im not as smart as the law makers but whats the point of this?

To supposedly keep kids from wanting to buy cigarettes and cigars. You know because we all see young kids running into the local B&M to pick up the newest release from Pete Johnson.

I think having to i.d. people is enough. Do we really need to take it a step further? I love how we can no longer think for ourselves.

DMK · 10-04-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by neoflex

I could be wrong but I think I remember hearing grumblings of this somewhere. It's when you can't physically view the cigars but have to look at pictures in a catalogue and choose what you want and than the person working there will get them for you. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Pretty much correct....

They are trying to keep the kiddies from starting to smoke anything...

Plastic flaps over the shelves for cigs and tinted out the windows in the cigar humidor @ the local B & M so you can't see what if anything is in stock. You get to look in a book to decide what you want and staff go into the humidor to 'pick' you sticks for you.

Most of the kids buy the Indian reserve smokes...
On top of all the Bull, ridiculously high taxes.
They wonder why we 'tax avoid'

Chingas · 10-04-2010, 02:16 PM

I did hear about this and there was talk in Jersey that this may come down the pike in the future. Imagine not being able to physically select your sticks at your local B&M? That's some **** right there.

I'm sure more can elaborate but lets go back to the OP for a second. Are you saying the prices on CC and NC sticks are 2 to 3 times more than the average in the states and around the world?

Old Sailor · 10-04-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

I did hear about this and there was talk in Jersey that this may come down the pike in the future. Imagine not being able to physically select your sticks at your local B&M? That's some **** right there.

I'm sure more can elaborate but lets go back to the OP for a second. Are you saying the prices on CC and NC sticks are 2 to 3 times more than the average in the states and around the world?

That sums it up right on the button!!

Chingas · 10-04-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Sailor

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That sums it up right on the button!!

Holy Sh1t! And they are still in business? That seems like an easy boycott to me. I can't see anyone ever paying those prices if they can just order it in the ma for a third of the price.

Doctorossi · 10-04-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

Are you saying the prices on CC and NC sticks are 2 to 3 times more than the average in the states and around the world?

Generally leaning more toward 3 than 2.

mithrilG60 · 10-04-2010, 02:32 PM

In Canada the blacked out display is not a provincial law, it's federal. As with all the laws aimed at reducing the appeal of tobacco to children, it's not targeted cigars.... it's targeted at cigarettes and flavoured cigarillos. It also only applies to public stores in which children under the age of 18 are legally allowed to enter. Bespoke B&M's can achieve the same result by tinting out their doors/windows and enforcing a no minor's policy, if they do that then there's no need to cover up the humidors.

As for pricing, welcome to Canada and the rest of the world. The US still has it very very easy in terms of the level of taxation you pay. Enjoy it while it lasts

cricky101 · 10-04-2010, 03:05 PM

Getting the glossy Holt's catalog makes me want to smoke, so I guess out-of-sight, out-of-mind would work to deter me

e-man67 · 10-04-2010, 03:08 PM

I went to Windsor back in 1992 with a few friends. Went into a B&M there and Cohiba Esplendidos were $75ea, Monte #2's were $50, and I paid $7 for a Jose Piedra!

Ferrari5180 · 10-04-2010, 04:16 PM

That is pretty much how it is here in Canada. On top of that, Montreal (Quebec) has some nasty provincial tax along with the federal to make the prices on cigars even more insane. Just to sum it all up:

Cigarettes (Almost 10$ per pack)
Any Cuban Cigar (35$ and +)
Don Pepin Blue Label (24$)

We have it all, including Cubans, oh and how could I forget, the highest taxes as well.

10-04-2010, 11:27 AM	#1
Doctorossi Have My Own Room Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Burlington, VT Posts: 1,684 Trading: (8)	Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! I just had a first-hand encounter with the "new" pricing in Canada (hadn't been in a couple years). Yeesh. For those who don't know, what used to be essentially at parity with most European retail is now 2-3 times that, across the board. to all my Canadian brothers and sisters. I don't envy your sad situation. That's some silly, ridiculous bucks they want, to get your lips on just about anything. I saw some pretty HTF disco'd stuff on the shelves, but I understood why and I left them there, as well. Walked away empty-handed, full-walleted and broken-hearted. __________________ Marvin Shanken is a terrific guy... for me to poop on!

10-04-2010, 01:32 PM	#5
Goldie Bring the pain! Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Drew Location: Ohio Posts: 808 Trading: (13)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! I am not familiar with "display laws" could someone be so kind as to enlighten a nooblet? And I remember another BOTL from Canada posting just yesterday that some of the high end CC's were running in the $40 range....... fook me. My condolences boys. __________________ Come in here dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far - Pink Floyd I like my draw, like I like my women, a little loose - Goldie

10-04-2010, 01:45 PM	#6
neoflex I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: John Location: Monroe, NC Posts: 2,765 Trading: (32)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! I could be wrong but I think I remember hearing grumblings of this somewhere. It's when you can't physically view the cigars but have to look at pictures in a catalog and choose what you want and than the person working there will get them for you. Please correct me if I am wrong. __________________

10-04-2010, 02:15 PM	#8
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! The display law is reducilous. They can't even have cigarette packs visible at gas stations & such. There are plastic flaps covering the cartons they sell out of. The first time I noticed it I asked and the clerk said "They call it going dark." I responded "Where I'm from they call it going commie". He didn't laugh. I thought it was funny. Edited to mention all cigar displays and signs referring to tobacco sales are not allowed to be displayed outside the store unless somehow grandfathered in such as cigar or tobacco being part of the name of the business. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

10-04-2010, 02:16 PM	#13
Chingas Death Is Waiting Join Date: Jun 2010 First Name: Chingas Location: Slayerville, Jersey Posts: 5,295 Trading: (35)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! I did hear about this and there was talk in Jersey that this may come down the pike in the future. Imagine not being able to physically select your sticks at your local B&M? That's some **** right there. I'm sure more can elaborate but lets go back to the OP for a second. Are you saying the prices on CC and NC sticks are 2 to 3 times more than the average in the states and around the world? __________________ ---Chingas--- ---Team Death Bomb Squad: Captain---

10-04-2010, 01:27 PM	#2
DMK S.O.B. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Darryl Location: Hamilton, ON. Canada. Posts: 2,747 Trading: (86)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! That is why I can't support my local B & M anymore.... that and our stupid display laws in Ontario.... __________________ Darryl, SOB...

10-04-2010, 02:32 PM	#17
mithrilG60 Feeling at Home Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Geoff Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 733 Trading: (2)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! In Canada the blacked out display is not a provincial law, it's federal. As with all the laws aimed at reducing the appeal of tobacco to children, it's not targeted cigars.... it's targeted at cigarettes and flavoured cigarillos. It also only applies to public stores in which children under the age of 18 are legally allowed to enter. Bespoke B&M's can achieve the same result by tinting out their doors/windows and enforcing a no minor's policy, if they do that then there's no need to cover up the humidors. As for pricing, welcome to Canada and the rest of the world. The US still has it very very easy in terms of the level of taxation you pay. Enjoy it while it lasts

10-04-2010, 03:05 PM	#18
cricky101 Micro brew tester Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chris Location: St. Paul, Minnesota Posts: 684 Trading: (8)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! Getting the glossy Holt's catalog makes me want to smoke, so I guess out-of-sight, out-of-mind would work to deter me __________________ "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire

10-04-2010, 03:08 PM	#19
e-man67 Big Drunkin Monkey!! Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Eric Posts: 1,480 Trading: (29)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! I went to Windsor back in 1992 with a few friends. Went into a B&M there and Cohiba Esplendidos were $75ea, Monte #2's were $50, and I paid $7 for a Jose Piedra! __________________ Big hairy Ape chuggin whiskey by the barrel full..making ladies cry!

10-04-2010, 04:16 PM	#20
Ferrari5180 Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 433 Trading: (0)	Re: Oh, Canada- STICKER SHOCK! That is pretty much how it is here in Canada. On top of that, Montreal (Quebec) has some nasty provincial tax along with the federal to make the prices on cigars even more insane. Just to sum it all up: Cigarettes (Almost 10$ per pack) Any Cuban Cigar (35$ and +) Don Pepin Blue Label (24$) We have it all, including Cubans, oh and how could I forget, the highest taxes as well.